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Post by s on Nov 26, 2023 22:10:11 GMT
Also this compilation seems cherrypicked to me. Little different from those cherrypicked "200 CASES OF TIGERS BEATING LIONS!!!" compilation that try to give the impression of it being a Tiger 10/10 stomp. And of course ignoring any encounter that ended in a different way.
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 26, 2023 22:17:04 GMT
Impressive feats by the Dogos i admit. Doesn't change the fact that with the big ones it's the Boar that's dominating and throwing the Dogo around, not viceversa. Well as I said, the big ones don't really get "lugged" upon contact, they drag the Dogo around a bit. That's the issue Jagds have with boars, or little APBTs, in the Americas a hog will end up dragging them around and they've gotta hang for a while until the hog quits fighting. This is kind of an upscaled version of that, which can be circumvented by using more than 1 dog which is why most of the time in hunting scenarios if you're going after the big Russians the ideal number of dogs is 2 and you can use up to 4. Argentinian hunter I talked to says 2 Dogals and 2 Dogos are best. However in the pen tests where dogs have to prove what they're made of, you get bigger stronger boars since that's what they want, and you generally only use 1 or 2 Dogos. |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 26, 2023 22:19:30 GMT
Also this compilation seems cherrypicked to me. Little different from those cherrypicked "200 CASES OF TIGERS BEATING LIONS!!!" compilation that try to give the impression of it being a Tiger 10/10 stomp. And of course ignoring any encounter that ended in a different way. Well Dogo vs boar is an established contest is it not? That's what Dogos do... and yes it is a compilation meant to represent the Dogo. For the first half of the video I very specifically picked out instances of lone Dogos on boar, since it was originally meant to be a longer version of my one-out Dogo compilation but then I got excited and added more and more. |
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Post by s on Nov 26, 2023 22:29:57 GMT
Also this compilation seems cherrypicked to me. Little different from those cherrypicked "200 CASES OF TIGERS BEATING LIONS!!!" compilation that try to give the impression of it being a Tiger 10/10 stomp. And of course ignoring any encounter that ended in a different way. Well Dogo vs boar is an established contest is it not? That's what Dogos do... and yes it is a compilation meant to represent the Dogo. For the first half of the video I very specifically picked out instances of lone Dogos on boar, since it was originally meant to be a longer version of my one-out Dogo compilation but then I got excited and added more and more. Dogo Vs Boar is indeed an established contest. But so is Dogo Vs Peccary, and Peccaries have killed Dogos with a neck bite. My point is you try to paint a very one-sided picture when i reality almost no Hunter uses a single Dogo against a decent-sized Boar I have an hypothethical for you, you are a Russian Hunter and have a single very experienced Dogo Argentino. There are rumours of a monster 240kg Ussuri Boar with tusks as large and sharp as daggers that has killed dozens of adult Tigers and Brown Bears that made the mistake of attacking him. Alongside singlehandlely destroying entire Wolf packs. Would you let the single Dogo attack him without any backing and just sit back and do nothing confident it's all under control? |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 26, 2023 22:54:11 GMT
Well Dogo vs boar is an established contest is it not? That's what Dogos do... and yes it is a compilation meant to represent the Dogo. For the first half of the video I very specifically picked out instances of lone Dogos on boar, since it was originally meant to be a longer version of my one-out Dogo compilation but then I got excited and added more and more. Dogo Vs Boar is indeed an established contest. But so is Dogo Vs Peccary, and Peccaries have killed Dogos with a neck bite. My point is you try to paint a very one-sided picture when i reality almost no Hunter uses a single Dogo against a decent-sized Boar I have an hypothethical for you, you are a Russian Hunter and have a single very experienced Dogo Argentino. There are rumours of a monster 240kg Ussuri Boar that has killed dozens of adult Tigers and Brown Bears that made the mistake of attacking him. Would you let the single Dogo on him without any backing? Lots of hunters use single Dogos, there are many reasons why one would use a single Dogo. Cost, dog aggression, etc. etc., most APBTs are hunted alone for this reason for example. Some Dogos can't work with other Dogos of the same sex, some Dogos can't work with other Dogos at all. And some people just do it to prove a point. Depends on what you mean by "decent-sized boar", then also the pen tests are their own thing where you specifically want a single Dogo against a big boar. There are "events" involving small hogs and Dogos (like I just posted in RWDoTW) but there's also the real thing. The boars in those pen tests, at least in Argentina, tend to be at least 200kgs. Hm, no, I'd go for 4 Dogos, I've heard of a few horror stories where giant boars of that size end up grinding out a win against 1 or even 2 Dogos. Doesn't mean it's not possible for a really good Dogo to achieve. I would prefer a team like this -  I would use the same number to tackle a grizzly bear, for what it's worth. |
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Post by s on Nov 27, 2023 7:18:13 GMT
Dogo Vs Boar is indeed an established contest. But so is Dogo Vs Peccary, and Peccaries have killed Dogos with a neck bite. My point is you try to paint a very one-sided picture when i reality almost no Hunter uses a single Dogo against a decent-sized Boar I have an hypothethical for you, you are a Russian Hunter and have a single very experienced Dogo Argentino. There are rumours of a monster 240kg Ussuri Boar that has killed dozens of adult Tigers and Brown Bears that made the mistake of attacking him. Would you let the single Dogo on him without any backing? Lots of hunters use single Dogos, there are many reasons why one would use a single Dogo. Cost, dog aggression, etc. etc., most APBTs are hunted alone for this reason for example. Some Dogos can't work with other Dogos of the same sex, some Dogos can't work with other Dogos at all. And some people just do it to prove a point. Depends on what you mean by "decent-sized boar", then also the pen tests are their own thing where you specifically want a single Dogo against a big boar. There are "events" involving small hogs and Dogos (like I just posted in RWDoTW) but there's also the real thing. The boars in those pen tests, at least in Argentina, tend to be at least 200kgs. Hm, no, I'd go for 4 Dogos, I've heard of a few horror stories where giant boars of that size end up grinding out a win against 1 or even 2 Dogos. Doesn't mean it's not possible for a really good Dogo to achieve. I would prefer a team like this - I would use the same number to tackle a grizzly bear, for what it's worth. 150kg+, let alone 200kg+ Boars are very rare. I seriously doubt the Boars used in pen fights are over 200kg unless they are fattened through overfeeding |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 27, 2023 7:19:23 GMT
Lots of hunters use single Dogos, there are many reasons why one would use a single Dogo. Cost, dog aggression, etc. etc., most APBTs are hunted alone for this reason for example. Some Dogos can't work with other Dogos of the same sex, some Dogos can't work with other Dogos at all. And some people just do it to prove a point. Depends on what you mean by "decent-sized boar", then also the pen tests are their own thing where you specifically want a single Dogo against a big boar. There are "events" involving small hogs and Dogos (like I just posted in RWDoTW) but there's also the real thing. The boars in those pen tests, at least in Argentina, tend to be at least 200kgs. Hm, no, I'd go for 4 Dogos, I've heard of a few horror stories where giant boars of that size end up grinding out a win against 1 or even 2 Dogos. Doesn't mean it's not possible for a really good Dogo to achieve. I would prefer a team like this - I would use the same number to tackle a grizzly bear, for what it's worth. 150kg+, let alone 200kg+ Boars are very rare. I seriously doubt the Boars used in pen fights are over 200kg unless they are fattened through overfeeding |
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Post by s on Nov 27, 2023 9:21:03 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 27, 2023 11:05:51 GMT
Are any bystanders seeing what I'm seeing? Is this a joke? The boars look exactly the size of that boar. They're common in Argentina, where imported Russian stock are invasive. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Nov 27, 2023 13:43:24 GMT
Well the other thing about boars is the bigger ones aren't even the most dangerous. They would probably be harder to kill I guess, but as far as subjugation goes and the fight they can offer it is those around 80-90 kgs that are the most deadly. The 150+ kg boars are easier for a dog to control.
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Post by s on Nov 27, 2023 13:54:02 GMT
Are any bystanders seeing what I'm seeing? Is this a joke? The boars look exactly the size of that boar. They're common in Argentina, where imported Russian stock are invasive. Those Boars are big but not THAT big, 150kg is more like it. In Argentina or almost anywhere else that's a very big Boar. Not an above average one. |
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Post by s on Nov 27, 2023 17:08:21 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 27, 2023 17:29:23 GMT
Ok, I am more or less thinking you win. I would just point towards the fact that the fight involving the 2 Dogos named Boyka and the other dog's name I don't remember, the boar was confirmed to be 200kgs in the original post. I can't find it for some reason, the guy's page might've been taken down, he had some cool stuff on facebook.
I also think there's a lot of different boars in Argentina? I've seen Argentinians refer to some boars as Russian ones, and they claimed you need multiple Dogos for X weight of the hog, but some guys were saying one or two Dogos can lug the boar anyway. It was on the wayback machine on an old Dogo-based hunting forum ran by a guy named Dogoman.
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Post by s on Nov 27, 2023 17:52:18 GMT
Ok, I am more or less thinking you win. I would just point towards the fact that the fight involving the 2 Dogos named Boyka and the other dog's name I don't remember, the boar was confirmed to be 200kgs in the original post. I can't find it for some reason, the guy's page might've been taken down, he had some cool stuff on facebook. I also think there's a lot of different boars in Argentina? I've seen Argentinians refer to some boars as Russian ones, and they claimed you need multiple Dogos for X weight of the hog, but some guys were saying one or two Dogos can lug the boar anyway. It was on the wayback machine on an old Dogo-based hunting forum ran by a guy named Dogoman. All Boars in Argentina are the descendants of those escaped Carpathian Boars. Carpathian Boars are the same Boar sub-species as Western Russia, Ukraine and Balkan Boars. So yes, they are "Russian" Boars. But not all Russian/Ex-Soviet countries Boars are Siberian Boars, which are the ones you are talking about |
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