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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 21:44:55 GMT
I made that post to reason why i estimate 175lbs for that Bear. That's not a valid comparison then? We don't know what subspecies of grizzly that is. I guesstimated Inland Grizzly because i don't think the video is in Alaska or near Pacific. |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 25, 2023 21:46:59 GMT
That's not a valid comparison then? We don't know what subspecies of grizzly that is. I guesstimated Inland Grizzly because i don't think the video is in Alaska or near Pacific. I would say that it's a Syrian brown bear? I dunno, those live in Turkey in heavy Kangal country. If it's a sow, then it'd be young-ish, but not a cub. A subadult or young adult. |
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 21:50:06 GMT
I guesstimated Inland Grizzly because i don't think the video is in Alaska or near Pacific. I would say that it's a Syrian brown bear? I dunno, those live in Turkey in heavy Kangal country. If it's a sow, then it'd be young-ish, but not a cub. A subadult or young adult. Didn't you say the video is from North America? |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 25, 2023 21:52:44 GMT
I would say that it's a Syrian brown bear? I dunno, those live in Turkey in heavy Kangal country. If it's a sow, then it'd be young-ish, but not a cub. A subadult or young adult. Didn't you say the video is from North America? No I didn't say that? Not at all. The males average 150kg and the females 90kg, it could very well be a female Syrian brown bear, and an adult one. |
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 21:58:33 GMT
Didn't you say the video is from North America? No I didn't say that? Not at all. The males average 150kg and the females 90kg, it could very well be a female Syrian brown bear, and an adult one. Misunderstanding. And yeah you are right you didn't say it was on North America, i guess i conflated that with your "Kangals are quite common in North America" statement and thought you said the video happened in North America And yeah you are right, probably a female or a sub-adult male Syriac Brown Bear. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2023 22:13:24 GMT
What's this bear debate about? No dog alive today could take on a Cantabrian brown bear. Now way in hell.
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 22:27:02 GMT
What's this bear debate about? No dog alive today could take on a Cantabrian brown bear. Now way in hell. We were discussing Kangal Vs Northwestern Wolf, he favours Kangal and i favour the Wolf. He brought up that "Kangals beat up small Bears no Wolf can take on" and he posted a video of 2 Kangals struggling to beat what looked like a very young Brown Bear. We had a bit of the discussion about how tiny that Bear was and i said it was smaller than a Cantabrian Bear sow. After a while we both basically agreed it was either a small/young female or a really young male Syriac Brown Bear |
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Post by s on Nov 26, 2023 16:27:34 GMT
Anyways, back on topic
Sunda CL Vs APBT/EPBT
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 26, 2023 17:07:04 GMT
wermthewermbongoeurycerusWhat do you think the sweet spot would be for dog vs cervid/bovid? As far as actual killing is concerned.
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Post by wermthewerm on Nov 26, 2023 17:42:48 GMT
Honestly not sure. My brain really wants to say something like a pitbull vs a mule deer might be the limit but then again the pitbull and bulldogs have really good anti-bull feats, so it leaves me second guessing myself. Maybe a red deer if I were to guess? I think Hardcastle knows more about this considering he knows dogs better than I do |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 26, 2023 18:00:38 GMT
Honestly not sure. My brain really wants to say something like a pitbull vs a mule deer might be the limit but then again the pitbull and bulldogs have really good anti-bull feats, so it leaves me second guessing myself. Maybe a red deer if I were to guess? I think Hardcastle knows more about this considering he knows dogs better than I do I'm not sure about that, if pitbull vs mule deer is where it's at then that would make greyhounds superior to pitbulls. Before the UK banned hunting there were lots of videos of sighthounds, alone or otherwise, killing fairly large deer 1 on 1. It would also make random pet dogs superior/equal - www.fieldandstream.com/conservation/dog-kills-mule-deer-idaho/www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/cops_courts/local/husky-shot-killed-sunday-for-mauling-mule-deer-on-high-school-butte/article_112f6ec0-2de9-5b57-850b-0b9e24d8708c.htmlA red stag is a pretty tough kill, with that being said in historical hunting literature they say a bull breed is worth 3 big strong hunting greyhounds in ability to tackle big game. I saw (you did too) 2 greyhound x collie lurchers giving all hell to a red stag who looked to be on course to be killed. A greyhound x collie lurcher is a little lighter than a greyhound, but smarter and more crafty and sneaky. So if we do some math that would firmly put the red stag in a pitbull's killing wheelhouse. I'm not sure why I'd be too worried about the pitbull. The fact bull breed x whippet/greyhound crosses are regularly bred to kill red stags as well... it still goes on. It was REALLY big when it was banned, it is not even close to being gone, the fact those kind of dogs are still kicking around in the UK indicates it's all still happening and there is video of red stags being hunted with similar dogs. |
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Post by s on Nov 26, 2023 18:03:49 GMT
Honestly not sure. My brain really wants to say something like a pitbull vs a mule deer might be the limit but then again the pitbull and bulldogs have really good anti-bull feats, so it leaves me second guessing myself. Maybe a red deer if I were to guess? I think Hardcastle knows more about this considering he knows dogs better than I do Dogo argentino Vs Red Deer stag? Elk and especially Moose are too tall |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 26, 2023 18:05:24 GMT
Honestly not sure. My brain really wants to say something like a pitbull vs a mule deer might be the limit but then again the pitbull and bulldogs have really good anti-bull feats, so it leaves me second guessing myself. Maybe a red deer if I were to guess? I think Hardcastle knows more about this considering he knows dogs better than I do Dogo argentino Vs Red Deer stag? Elk and especially Moose are too tall Elk aren't too tall, they are caught and lugged by gripping dogs, including bull elk, illegally - |
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Post by s on Nov 26, 2023 18:07:53 GMT
Homever the article mentions uses Dogs in plural and the Elk being "repeteadly" shot. Im referring to a 1v1 fight |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 26, 2023 18:10:57 GMT
Homever the article mentions multiple Dogs and the Elk being "repeteadly" shot. Im referring to a 1v1 fight Yes multiple dogs, and the elk were shot close range after being caught and lugged by the dogs. This is an instance where the gun takes the place of the knife. It is not meant to illustrate 1 on 1 superiority, just the fact that the dogs can latch onto the elk and lug it, which is 90% of the battle. If the animal is too tall, then how would multiple dogs make a difference? Do they climb on top of each other? Like in the 3 Alanos vs moose thread on Bestiary, if one can't do it then none can, if they can't reach it. If you had 15 pitbulls fight a giraffe they'd die since there's no way they reach, but if one pitbull was on stilts or something and reached the giraffe one would do it. Also elk fight is by trying to ruck and gore, it is very easy to latch onto one from that point. |
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