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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 18:17:20 GMT
Because it's almost 40% lighter and it's damage output is far inferior as a result? It's like if i claimed "a 180lbs Puma can do X" and you replied with "then why can't 130lbs Pumas do X, huh?" If they're doing hit and run, Turkish wolf, african wild dog, dhole etc. are all better candidates than the Northwestern wolf though. Rethinking it "hit and run" may not be be the best term, i think the Wolf would try to bite the Kangal by the sides. Withdraw before it gets caught. Repeat 2 or 3 times (NW Wolf has a quite devastating Life, wouldn't take long done properly) while Kangal is getting weaker and weaker from blood loss until Wolf comes to give the final blow. This is the ideal scenario for the Wolf. I think a realistic fight probably wouldn't happen this way. But that's how i would think it would act. |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 25, 2023 18:18:41 GMT
If they're doing hit and run, Turkish wolf, african wild dog, dhole etc. are all better candidates than the Northwestern wolf though. Rethinking it "hit and run" may not be be the best term, i think the Wolf would try to bite the Kangal by the sides. Withdraw before it gets caught. Repeat 2 or 3 times (NW Wolf has a quite devastating Life, wouldn't take long done properly) while Kangal is getting weaker and weaker from blood loss until Wolf comes to give the final blow. This is the ideal scenario for the Wolf. I think a realistic fight probably wouldn't happen this way. But that's how i would think it would act. I think if a wolf does beat an LGD Kangal, it would do it by biting the side of the Kangal's head and neutralizing the dog, not allowing the fight to start and just getting control early on. I definitely would not favor this outcome, but it becomes more likely the smaller the dog. |
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 18:26:46 GMT
Intraspecific fight within Wolves. You can see they try to be cautious and don't just charge frontally at each other. When intent to fight is involved, they are not that cautious and that is exactly what they do. See 1:35 Wolves fight like GSDs. Homever you can also see how they attack and pull back. Not simply attacking without ceasing. You are regurgitating a lot of LGD fan arguments in this debate? |
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 18:28:16 GMT
The Bear in the video isn't even the size of an adult Black Bear. It's likely young enough (16-17 months) to still be dependant on it's mother. Also a Northwestern Wolf is able to simply one-shot the Cape Leopard. You are also not considering the fact that Cape Leopards are substantially less proportionally powerful than heavier Leopards. The point is, wolves trying to match power with a 200lbs bear will end in disastrous fashion. A wolf could... they could also one-shot 80lbs female cougars, but they can't. A one-shot in a fight between carnivores is very rare, unless one is at a massive size disadvantage. 18kgs isn't there yet. That Bear doesn't look 200lbs, i would say 175lbs at most. |
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 18:30:49 GMT
A 110 lbs wolf is indeed a big step up from an 80 lbs wolf, but a 170 lbs kangal that is just as tall and way stronger than a 110 lbs wolf ... why would it give a shit? My argument is that using fights between Kangals and manlet Wolves to represent how a fight with a Northwestern Wolf would go like is false equivalence. Also, size isn't everything, Kangals and Alabais aren't invincible. 20kg Pitbulls have beaten them up. |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 25, 2023 19:06:32 GMT
The point is, wolves trying to match power with a 200lbs bear will end in disastrous fashion. A wolf could... they could also one-shot 80lbs female cougars, but they can't. A one-shot in a fight between carnivores is very rare, unless one is at a massive size disadvantage. 18kgs isn't there yet. That Bear doesn't look 200lbs, i would say 175lbs at most. How can you tell 175lbs vs 200lbs on a bear? Lol |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 25, 2023 19:08:03 GMT
When intent to fight is involved, they are not that cautious and that is exactly what they do. See 1:35 Wolves fight like GSDs. Homever you can also see how they attack and pull back. Not simply attacking without ceasing. You are regurgitating a lot of LGD fan arguments in this debate? Yes but if a wolf walks up to a Kangal and tries to fight it like that, it gets monstered, does it not? I used to be big on LGDs, I wasn't an "LGD fan" like I still acknowledged they weren't the best and it was simply a reality having seen lots of dog fights and whatever. I know lots about LGDs. |
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 19:22:29 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 25, 2023 19:30:33 GMT
The point still stands, even if it is 175lbs, the outcome does not change one tiny bit whatsoever if the bear is 200lbs. At those weights it matters none. Also that makes your argument it's a cub nullified, that means it's an adult bear. |
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 20:19:14 GMT
The point still stands, even if it is 175lbs, the outcome does not change one tiny bit whatsoever if the bear is 200lbs. At those weights it matters none. Also that makes your argument it's a cub nullified, that means it's an adult bear. Don't adult male American Black Bears average 300lbs? Not an adult |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 25, 2023 20:30:33 GMT
The point still stands, even if it is 175lbs, the outcome does not change one tiny bit whatsoever if the bear is 200lbs. At those weights it matters none. Also that makes your argument it's a cub nullified, that means it's an adult bear. Don't adult male American Black Bears average 300lbs? Not an adult A. they don't average 300lbs B. that is a grizzly |
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 20:45:46 GMT
Don't adult male American Black Bears average 300lbs? Not an adult A. they don't average 300lbs B. that is a grizzly Grizzly? Well. Interior Grizzlies are 550lbs. Thanks for further proving my argument of it being a Cub. |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 25, 2023 21:17:39 GMT
A. they don't average 300lbs B. that is a grizzly Grizzly? Well. Interior Grizzlies are 550lbs. Thanks for further proving my argument of it being a Cub. You just made a post that says Cambrian brown bear sows average 175lbs. |
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Post by s on Nov 25, 2023 21:40:54 GMT
Grizzly? Well. Interior Grizzlies are 550lbs. Thanks for further proving my argument of it being a Cub. You just made a post that says Cambrian brown bear sows average 175lbs. I made that post to reason why i estimate 175lbs for that Bear. |
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Post by Bolushi on Nov 25, 2023 21:42:50 GMT
You just made a post that says Cambrian brown bear sows average 175lbs. I made that post to reason why i estimate 175lbs for that Bear. That's not a valid comparison then? We don't know what subspecies of grizzly that is. |
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