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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 31, 2023 22:09:12 GMT
I can't contact anyone on Carnivora, but if Avian is reading this- you are invited. They are in dire need of education.
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Post by grampa on Oct 7, 2023 8:43:00 GMT
Hardcastle Hey. You should invite 8avian8 on here. I can't contact anyone on Carnivora, but if Avian is reading this- you are invited. They are in dire need of education. You cannot message anyone on Carnivora because that place is run by a dictator who does not want his members participating on other forums.
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Post by grampa on Oct 7, 2023 9:00:20 GMT
To be fair, a gorilla that wants to crush a leopard, would definitely do it. Any time. The problem is that you'd be actually hard pressed to find such aggressive silverback gorilla with that mentality though, they are extremely intimidating and that's most of their purpose, but for fighting mentality they are actually light years far from the true aggressive apes that would attack straight up any leopard broad day light or broad night moon light to rip it apart alone or in groups, and you know what ape I'm talking about. When we talk about fatal encounters though,we have several reports of adult male gorillas, silverbacks included,found dead torn apart to their intestines with clear signs and wounds of leopard predation, including a historical skull of an adult mature male gorilla (therefore a silverback) found with deep punctures in the skull, lower jaw and arm bones (including fractured limba) whose holes perfectly matched leopard canines. On the other hand, we have one confirmed case of a silverback gorilla killing a leopard but at the same time succumbing to its wounds, and another not confirmed account of a gorilla killing a leopard. This means that if a leopard can and do kill gorillas of any sex and age, silverbacks included. Probably mostly due to ambush. Surely a gorilla if it wanted to it would kill a leopard,not sure how fast can it do before letting the leopard wounding it enough to make it later collapse to its injuries. I'm still curious to know how the draw fight happened, because the gorilla did kill the leopard, but the silverback died as well from the injuries the leopard inflicted to it. The size difference was probably 1/3 in favour of the gorilla, yet it wasn't probably able to kill quickly enough the leopard to prevent it doing enough damage to turn it into a draw. Any speculations? 185lb Panther wipes the floor with a 312lb Gorilla. Even going as far as to rip the ape's arm off in their 2-hour long cage fight: virginiachronicle.com/?a=d&d=HR19490923.2.13&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN--------Old newspaper stories make poor evidence. They love sensationalism to sell their papers. A good example is the Parnell the African Lion vs Ramadam the California grizzly story. It had such a build-up before the actual fight took place that newspapers all over the country were writing their own versions of the truth. Sadly, no one can agree on how that fight actually turned out. Reality check, a fight cannot have multiple endings. So many problem with those arranged fights. Money is always involved, so people will cheat. How well are the animals cared for? What are their physical conditions? Their ages? The truth is told in the wild. Silverback gorillas sleep on a nest on the ground - unafraid of leopards. He will charge towards a leopard, in defense of his troop, and stand his ground. In these scenarios, the leopard never chooses to fight. I believe that every silverback killing by a leopard is an ambush attack on a sleeping gorilla at night. The great apes, like people, have poor night vision. So basically, the leopard is ambushing a sleeping blind gorilla.
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Post by grampa on Oct 12, 2023 18:04:31 GMT
Eastern Lowland Gorilla vs African Leopard = Face-to-face, silverback EL gorilla wins this fight, as would a cross river silverback, a Western lowland silverback, or a mountain silverback.
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 12, 2023 20:59:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 21:46:49 GMT
Hello
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 12, 2023 21:53:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 22:02:08 GMT
So now that I'm here, what threads do you recommend?
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 12, 2023 22:17:09 GMT
So now that I'm here, what threads do you recommend? Hmm, any? The more popular ones are this, dogo vs cougar and working dogs of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 22:18:58 GMT
So now that I'm here, what threads do you recommend? Hmm, any? The more popular ones are this, dogo vs cougar and working dogs of the world. i don't think there's much to say in regards to cougar vs dogo. Everyone should know the rule by now, 50-115 pounds is dog territory, 120 pounds is a middle ground and anything above that is cat territory.
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Post by grampa on Oct 13, 2023 9:13:04 GMT
Interesting. I remember being on DOTB very civilly arguing why I figured a male lion would edge out a parity grizzly (I no longer quite believe this) and got banned soon after for nothing. I don't remember this. Therefore I don't know the details and also I am not the only Admin. I tried, just now, to unban you. I'm not a tech whiz, so I'm not sure if I was successful. Give it a try. Your name is still on our members list. I just read your last several posts on the topic: "Hypothetical - African Lion vs Yellowstone Grizzly" and I agree that I could find no real reason for a ban.
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Post by s on Oct 13, 2023 10:01:18 GMT
Why didn't you use a Western Gorilla? Would have been a better matchup
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Post by s on Oct 13, 2023 15:02:02 GMT
Hmm, any? The more popular ones are this, dogo vs cougar and working dogs of the world. i don't think there's much to say in regards to cougar vs dogo. Everyone should know the rule by now, 50-115 pounds is dog territory, 120 pounds is a middle ground and anything above that is cat territory. 120lbs is 55kg, Dogos definitely aren't meant to be that heavy, their extra weight comes at the expense of functionality and stamina. In fact, Dogos are meant to be 40kg. I have seen Argentinian hunters say that a 40kg Dogo is usually preferable to a 45-50kg heavy Dogo, which gets tired more easily, is less agile and is harder to mantain in very fit state with low body fat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 15:04:18 GMT
Why didn't you use a Western Gorilla? Would have been a better matchup How? Western (lowland) gorillas are 170.4 kg (NOT 140 kg), and Eastern lowland gorillas are 175.2 kg. Yes, the Eastern species is more aggressive, but the difference would be small at the end of the day.
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 13, 2023 19:35:32 GMT
i don't think there's much to say in regards to cougar vs dogo. Everyone should know the rule by now, 50-115 pounds is dog territory, 120 pounds is a middle ground and anything above that is cat territory. 120lbs is 55kg, Dogos definitely aren't meant to be that heavy, their extra weight comes at the expense of functionality and stamina. In fact, Dogos are meant to be 40kg. I have seen Argentinian hunters say that a 40kg Dogo is usually preferable to a 45-50kg heavy Dogo, which gets tired more easily, is less agile and is harder to mantain in very fit state with low body fat. Dogos can definitely be 120lbs, even 130lbs (anything above 130lbs should be shot). For a Dogo vs cougar discussion that is an advantage, since the cat can't match the dog's stamina anyway. In realistic hunting applications, such big dogs are only good for jogging up to the fight and shutting down a feisty boar or puma. They're ONLY drop dogs, and share more in common with Presas and Corsos than 40kg Dogos.
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