Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 25, 2023 23:44:39 GMT
Lol that was quick, bro deleted his account. Turns out I'm always right, that twig loves to mock cats for their cowardice but at the end he ends up being light years more coward than all of them combined. That retard was lucky I wasn't on Domain of Bears back then because I would have ended his whole anti-career way before... Poor guy thought he was the debunking master of the place, listen king Kodiak you aren't fucking shit compared to me. And never will. You're inferior to me, technically and morally. You judge animals by their natural behaviour and act like you're a referee, deciding what is fair and what is not in a world with no rules.
And with what kind of threats lol..acts bossy as if he thinks he knows everything about all leopard and gorilla interactions and then is the one that has been mistaking two accounts for each other for 2 fucking years whereas me who read these accounts for the first time got the difference immediately. What a degenerate underdeveloped brain cells he must have.
I think your eye sight and IQ rivals that of the back of my fridge right?
My man was so shocked and frightened that he fled the board 10 minutes after I nuked his anus with undeniable evidence that his weakling anti-cat data couldn't match . Who's the coward now? Cats or you?
That's what happens when some dork nerd discredits cats (or dogs, saw him doing that aswell ) behind my back. Always triggers inside of me a very pleasant feeling of debunking them till the bone. Do the same to the dog breeds I respect the most and it's happening again.
1- Analyzing leopard dung can prove that leopards consume gorilla flesh; nothing more. This means perhaps by predation or perhaps from scavenging. Such things as age or sex of gorillas remain unknown.
2- Studies show that a leopard will kill a silverback gorilla from ambush. However, evidence would also suggest that a leopard is unwilling to fight a silverback gorilla who is aware of his presence. All cats dislike a face-to-face confrontation.
3- There is a big difference between a sneaky back-stabber and a fighter. In a face-off, I would wager on the silverback gorilla.
1- Analyzing leopard dung can prove that leopards consume gorilla flesh; nothing more. This means perhaps by predation or perhaps from scavenging. Such things as age or sex of gorillas remain unknown.
2- Studies show that a leopard will kill a silverback gorilla from ambush. However, evidence would also suggest that a leopard is unwilling to fight a silverback gorilla who is aware of his presence. All cats dislike a face-to-face confrontation.
3- There is a big difference between a sneaky back-stabber and a fighter. In a face-off, I would wager on the silverback gorilla.
I gotta say I pretty much agree with this word for word.
1- Analyzing leopard dung can prove that leopards consume gorilla flesh; nothing more. This means perhaps by predation or perhaps from scavenging. Such things as age or sex of gorillas remain unknown.
2- Studies show that a leopard will kill a silverback gorilla from ambush. However, evidence would also suggest that a leopard is unwilling to fight a silverback gorilla who is aware of his presence. All cats dislike a face-to-face confrontation.
3- There is a big difference between a sneaky back-stabber and a fighter. In a face-off, I would wager on the silverback gorilla.
On the first point I disagree that age and sex of gorilla is unknown when you look at partially digested remains of them in leopard scat. A good example is the toe of a gorilla found in leopard scat which was estimated to be 11 years old. I don't know what method they're using to estimate its age but I assume it's looking at the bone of the toe and analysing if it's perfectly developed or not, as if bone remains can be fused or not depending on the age.
There's a handful of cases that have shown that leopards don't need an ambush to kill a fully grown male gorilla, black back or silverback. But obviously they'll always prefer using the ambush tactic because they are cats and that's how they hunt, that'd be like asking to a game dog to bay. Practically impossible. However in a face off I'll favour the gorilla most of the time to fight the leopard off or eventually kill it assuming the ape is a very aggressive and protective badass male and not your average gorilla that goes into total panic and gets chased or killed as reported per pretty recent studies (Fay et al 1995, Goldsmith 1999 and Watson 2000). But even face to face against such aggressive Gorilla I think a mature tom leopard with the macho attitude and abnormal aggressivess (so probably a large territorial male ) will give a hell of a fight to the Ape and it would still stand a chance to kill the gorilla, as per reported by George Schaller in his 2011 study where a Silverback gorilla despite fighting back a leopard got himself killed despite killing the cat.
Also, leopards are both of those, they are 95% efficient backstabbers but they know how to use their weapons well in a fight even when something goes not according to the plan, and they are formidable defenders and spazzers.
Btw offtopic, @hardcastle
That coward admitted he fled the scene and you know what? I've saved this forum from the entrance of a psychopath. Undertaker knows him well and this is what he told me
On my way to raid to the ground and humiliate that greasy wog retard in his own proboard in front all of his buddies there . No sympathy for this breed of people. There's no worst crime as you said than presenting yourself as an animal fan and enthusiast and then shitting on some particular animals.
I have only recently took an active serious search for reliable leopard and silverback confrontations. I am ignoring anything from trophy hunters or old newspaper stories from the 19th or early-to-mid 20th century. Those papers relied heavily on sensationalism to sell. A prime example, the Parnell the African lion vs Ramadam the California grizzly fight. Newspapers all over the country each printed their own version of that fight with multiple endings. Thus far, my score is shaggysasquatch.proboards.com/thread/369/confirmed-reports-gorilla-leopard
Gorillas: 1- Gorilla kills leopard in 1956 fight. ____________________________
Leopards: 1- Leopard ambushes and kills sleeping silverback. 2- Leopard ambushes and kills a sick silverback.
*Edit and add; you guys have anything on this topic that you believe to be reliable, I would greatly appreciate the data/information. Whether or not it supports my favorite. I will keep it honest.
Interesting. I remember being on DOTB very civilly arguing why I figured a male lion would edge out a parity grizzly (I no longer quite believe this) and got banned soon after for nothing.
I have only recently took an active serious search for reliable leopard and silverback confrontations. I am ignoring anything from trophy hunters or old newspaper stories from the 19th or early-to-mid 20th century. Those papers relied heavily on sensationalism to sell. A prime example, the Parnell the African lion vs Ramadam the California grizzly fight. Newspapers all over the country each printed their own version of that fight with multiple endings. Thus far, my score is shaggysasquatch.proboards.com/thread/369/confirmed-reports-gorilla-leopard
Gorillas: 1- Gorilla kills leopard in 1956 fight. ____________________________
Leopards: 1- Leopard ambushes and kills a potentially sleeping silverback. 2- Leopard ambushes and kills a sick silverback.
*Edit and add; you guys have anything on this topic that you believe to be reliable, I would greatly appreciate the data/information. Whether or not it supports my favorite. I will keep it honest.
I'll correct this for you
Score thus far:
Gorillas:
1- Gorilla kills leopard in a fight reported in 1928 by a native to Burbridge
____________________________
Leopards:
1- Leopard ambushes and kills a potentially sleeping silverback.
2- Leopard ambushes and kills a sick silverback ? Where's the source of this?
3- Skeleton of a mature male gorilla found with its bones both gnawed and pierced by canines that perfectly overlapped with Leopard ones.
4-185 lb leopard kills a 312 lb Gorilla in a cage fight
Tie : 1- Leopard and Silverback gorilla fight to the death and both die from mortally inflicted wounds, George Schaller's account from his study 2011 which is called "Making a Last Stand Counterattack and Chutzpah Living primate"
For confirmed kills, this is all we got, if we want to add estimated leopard predation we got like 2-3 more cases of leopards preying on adult male gorillas, but I listed confirmed kills only.
"Leopard predation was strongly suspected in three deaths (although scavenging cannot be ruled out): a silverback in very poor physical condition at Mbeli Bai, a silverback at Bai Hokou, and a blackback at Lossi."
source: Robbins, Martha M., et al. "Social structure and life‐history patterns in western gorillas (Gorilla gorilla gorilla)." American Journal of Primatology: Official Journal of the American Society of Primatologists 64.2 (2004): 145-159.
"Leopard predation was strongly suspected in three deaths (although scavenging cannot be ruled out): a silverback in very poor physical condition at Mbeli Bai, a silverback at Bai Hokou, and a blackback at Lossi."
source: Robbins, Martha M., et al. "Social structure and life‐history patterns in western gorillas (Gorilla gorilla gorilla)." American Journal of Primatology: Official Journal of the American Society of Primatologists 64.2 (2004): 145-159.
I'm not sure, because the same source includes the possible deaths of another Silverback, apparently in good health and a blackback by leopards but grampa didn't include them. So i suppose this is not the case. Sure all these animals were found with mortally inflicted injuries but it's still not entirely confirmed leopards were the cause.
4-185 lb leopard kills a 312 lb Gorilla in a cage fight
For a several very good reasons, I bypass these old stories of cage-fights. Most come from old newspapers who used sensationalism to sell their papers. Also, where people arrange animal fights, money is involved. So many ways to cheat. Also, unknown factors such as the animals living conditions and what foods he was fed. Too many variables.
*Perfect example: Parnell the African Lion vs Ramadam the California Grizzly. Newspapers all over the country each printed their own version with this fight having multiple endings.
3- Skeleton of a mature male gorilla found with its bones both gnawed and pierced by canines that perfectly overlapped with Leopard ones.
*Meaning unconfirmed; yet probably true.
It's not unconfirmed.
Think about it, what is the only animal coexisting with gorillas which kills with precise bites piercing bones and later gnaws on the bones of the prey as indicator that consumed the gorilla after killing it? A chimpanzee? Nope. A python? Nope. A golden cat? Nope. A gorilla? Nope. A leopard? Yes.
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