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Post by CoolJohnson on Aug 29, 2023 1:39:51 GMT
I find that the "true" dog guys (and not random idiots in youtube comment sections/quora babbling about how tibetan mastiffs kill lions and leopards etc. etc.) tend to be on the very intelligent side of the animal community. Hardcastle, me, Lincoln, Brogan, Lycaon, I would call you a true dog guy too... all on the high side of AvA intellect. I guess the worst of the dog guys was Wyatt, he had lots and lots of interest but was ultimately too dumb to comprehend what was being communicated to him. Cat fans are usually worse and really shitty because instead of retarded new yorkers looking at the images of cane corsos firing lazers out of their eyes and taking giant chunks out of tigers there are fully grown men who fancy themselves as animal experts/enthusiasts who hold views such as "err, I'm not sure I'd take a Presa over a bobcat bro. Ever seen the claws on those things? Would probably drop its guts out. Look at what this house cat did my arm! Oh and I saw a tabby cling onto a Doberman and sent a german shepherd to a hospital once so a bobcat would kill any dog." etc. etc. The same cannot be said for dogs or any canid guys really. It's ONLY cat fans who will retain such beliefs into adulthood. I don't know shit about spinosaurus fans. I know wolf-specific fans are terrible too, especially when it comes to wolf vs dog. It only gets worse once you get to biologists, which generally holds true for any animal but especially the wolf guys. I do agree that a lot of the cat and wolf fans are terrible. By the way, what happened to Wyatt?
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Post by grampa on Aug 29, 2023 6:11:50 GMT
Eastern Lowland Gorilla vs African Leopard... A thought has occurred to me. I remember reading (some years ago) about this one particular large pride of African lions that, during some hard times, had learned to hunt African bush elephants. These lions choose a large subadult elephant, from the herd, on a dark night. An elephant has poor night vision; no better than a human's. Therefore, the lions, in large numbers, are basically ambushing a blind young elephant.
It is possible that leopards prey upon the Western gorillas in much the same fashion. In the jungle, with a canopy of foliage above, on a dark cloudy night (a tropical rain forest is very often cloudy) the leopard would be hunting completely blind sleeping gorillas.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 29, 2023 6:44:39 GMT
Caught me about to go to sleep, but I will respond later. And for real, not like the response I owe poor supercat lol. I'm working on my answer for him as well but it's about to be finished soon, I'll let you post yours for first to see if there are some points I've left out or viceversa
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 29, 2023 10:37:25 GMT
I find that the "true" dog guys (and not random idiots in youtube comment sections/quora babbling about how tibetan mastiffs kill lions and leopards etc. etc.) tend to be on the very intelligent side of the animal community. Hardcastle, me, Lincoln, Brogan, Lycaon, I would call you a true dog guy too... all on the high side of AvA intellect. I guess the worst of the dog guys was Wyatt, he had lots and lots of interest but was ultimately too dumb to comprehend what was being communicated to him. Cat fans are usually worse and really shitty because instead of retarded new yorkers looking at the images of cane corsos firing lazers out of their eyes and taking giant chunks out of tigers there are fully grown men who fancy themselves as animal experts/enthusiasts who hold views such as "err, I'm not sure I'd take a Presa over a bobcat bro. Ever seen the claws on those things? Would probably drop its guts out. Look at what this house cat did my arm! Oh and I saw a tabby cling onto a Doberman and sent a german shepherd to a hospital once so a bobcat would kill any dog." etc. etc. The same cannot be said for dogs or any canid guys really. It's ONLY cat fans who will retain such beliefs into adulthood. I don't know shit about spinosaurus fans. I know wolf-specific fans are terrible too, especially when it comes to wolf vs dog. It only gets worse once you get to biologists, which generally holds true for any animal but especially the wolf guys. I do agree that a lot of the cat and wolf fans are terrible. By the way, what happened to Wyatt? I think Wyatt figured that this community was too much for him. He deleted his forum account once, which was a bad sign, then he also deleted his discord account.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 29, 2023 13:36:36 GMT
I find that the "true" dog guys (and not random idiots in youtube comment sections/quora babbling about how tibetan mastiffs kill lions and leopards etc. etc.) tend to be on the very intelligent side of the animal community. Hardcastle, me, Lincoln, Brogan, Lycaon, I would call you a true dog guy too... all on the high side of AvA intellect. I guess the worst of the dog guys was Wyatt, he had lots and lots of interest but was ultimately too dumb to comprehend what was being communicated to him. Cat fans are usually worse and really shitty because instead of retarded new yorkers looking at the images of cane corsos firing lazers out of their eyes and taking giant chunks out of tigers there are fully grown men who fancy themselves as animal experts/enthusiasts who hold views such as "err, I'm not sure I'd take a Presa over a bobcat bro. Ever seen the claws on those things? Would probably drop its guts out. Look at what this house cat did my arm! Oh and I saw a tabby cling onto a Doberman and sent a german shepherd to a hospital once so a bobcat would kill any dog." etc. etc. The same cannot be said for dogs or any canid guys really. It's ONLY cat fans who will retain such beliefs into adulthood. I don't know shit about spinosaurus fans. I know wolf-specific fans are terrible too, especially when it comes to wolf vs dog. It only gets worse once you get to biologists, which generally holds true for any animal but especially the wolf guys. Regarding spino fans (not only Aegyptiacus ones but spinosauridae family fanboys especially) .... it's painful... extraordinary complicated and especially long. It's especially extraordinary LOONG, too long for you to actually want me to you about their nature and their different type of breeds based on my experience with them....
I'd add it's also too extraordinary long for me to actually wanna take time to tell you (could take several days and on October I'm travelling to Rome again for the military so no time almost, will barely post in the evening when off work). Long story short there's two breeds of spinosaurus/idae fanboys, and they are identifiable based on the topic they are discussing and debating : 1)Size debating fans 2)Combat debating fans
Both, if biased and delusional, are arguably among the worst type of fanboys you can ever meet. They just are low IQ individuals you can actually start hating for real. I'd tell you you can 100% trust me because I've been in old good days very active in dinosaur AvA and size debating sections, even before mammals (2015, when I was barely 14 like). All of these debates would be concentrated in the old world of YouTube. Pivot animations, old documentaries, movies, scientific videos... GAMES (the Isle, etc...). You're a dog person and you probably were in your 7s-9s at that time.. so I'm sure you didn't grow up fast enough to actually witness that type of things. Trust me when I tell you that those youtube comment sections were able to generate very hardcore fanatics of that kind, of any type of dinosaur obviously. Spino, Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus fans were the most common. But Spinosaurus fans for how their animal turned to be morphology and size wise compared to how overhyped it was by them....yup. Definitely worse than any other animal fanbase ever. But for you and Dale is probably an alien world... though Dale is way older than me and in his untold past he may have set his feet in this world... he'd confirm me what I'm telling you if he did for sure.
Regarding dog and wolf fans, ironically, it's almost the same thing. I don't know how much youtube debate history you have got, but I think that most of you judge the "quality" of majority of fans based on your experience on Carnivora and Wildanimalwarfare. Modern ones obviously, leave out Carnivora archieve for valuable reasons. I don't think that's a good indicator, you have to look also out of that site to get a good idea of what we are talking about because there might be exceptional cases. While retarded canid fans such as Black Ice have made their way to Carnivora, there's by far been WAY more good dog/canid enthusiasts there than biased users. Dale, Brogan, TheNormalGuy, Lycaon etc etc. Good canid posters outnumber retarded ones by like 5/6 to 1/2. That's also because canid fans have always been the great minority there, of course . It's not accurate to calculate an "average" based on a small sample. Cat fans and Dinosaur fans by far like GREATLY outnumber canid fans, it's way easier to come across to more idiots when there's many of them. Mondas,feline power, Reichinowi, Bagheera, avengers777, TheBoldChamp,Mountain Lord, DarkFeline, Bigcatsxpertz, Nhehna, FieryBlast partly Comfylounge (when debating lynx v apbt).... recently Camp Pan and apparently also new ones saying bobcat solos jagd (will take care of them). There's many of them, because the number far greater. We also have extraordinary cat fans : Chui, Waveriders, Pckts, me(no narcissism I swear), Pantherine, Shortridge, Twico5, YusufTutWlan, Bloodborne,GatoGordo. I've noticed bad cat fans divide into
1)small cat overraters, lynx/caracal/serval fans especially 2)big cat overraters, 99% of those are lion fans or tiger fans that at the same time extremely underrate and disrespect bears. They are the worst of the worst of the cat fans. Not that insinuating that a bobcat can finish off a rottweiler or a game bred apbt is better... but still ...
Sure, most of bad cat fans are there, that's why you saw most of their idiocy merge. Most of worst dog fans aren't there. They are out of CF range (mainly because Taipan actively suppresses them), mainly on YouTube,Quora and Instagram...and 90% of them are either
1)LGD overraters, among the worst are Tibetan and Ovrachka fans 2)ShitBreeders, which breed 200 lb visibly fat BS Boerboels/Neos, English mastiffs and promote them. 3)the supporters of the former .
Honourable mention: apbt fans. You know why, not because of the gameness thing or because of their bull baiting or fighting abilities. But because of the idea that these can take out lions, jaguars or leopard or bears etc.
Lol ...200 lb Bully Kutta as a functional animal... 250-350 lb kangal.... Piece of wobbling fat that can't even harm a cow . Truly believed that a dog can kill a lion or that a modified husky is hell for a leopard.
These type of dog fans easily rival if not even surpass most of CF retarded cat fans, I'd agrue that lion and tiger fanboys are on the same level as them.
I really appreciate you telling me that I'm a good dog person, but I'll disagree on Wyatt being the worst wolf fan. That you've ever met? Probably, Black Ice is a good contender. Worst wolf fan I've personally ever met? Carolina Reaper on youtube.... easily. He was also a diehard cat hater posting videos of house cats getting mauled by dogs, cougars being ranover or shot... I've never ever wrote such a big debunking text to face such biased individual which spitted tons of misinformation... downgrading cougar size and strength, claiming wolves take on cougars always...that wolves killed by cougars were weak subadults...that cougars weigh max 180 lb while wolves average around that .
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 29, 2023 14:55:32 GMT
Nutty dog fans exist, usually they will be weirdo super patriotic guys hyping up their national dog. The kangal is surely one of the most "cursed" with such fans, and the Bully kutta used to have a lot of wackjob fans as well. I would never say these people are like cat fans though. Cat fans are just ubiquitous. Even people who don't care THAT much about animals are often total fanboy dorks for wild cats. The problem is all their strengths are readily obvious and well known to everyone, and their weaknesses are kind of subtle, so typically with cat fans you are dealing with someone who has a very shallow superficial perspective and low intellect. Someone who hasn't really thought about it much at all, and is just like "they got the razor sharp claws and the grappling ability" (they even say this themselves with a straight face all the time, a one liner assessment that purely makes those points), and they might add that they're super agile... cat like reflexes... drag antelopes up trees... wild predators who kill for a living.... case closed as far as they're concerned.
It's the dumbest most superficial obvious take in all of animalia, and they are the dumbest fans for sure.
I've BEEN a cat fan, that is what you need to remember, I obsessively knew way more about wild cats than ALL those guys when I was literally 8 years old. I'm not kidding. I read countless thicker more adult books on wild cats (some I still have in ratty condition) than those guys ever will when I was still wetting the bed, there's nothing they know about cats I don't, so it is very tedious listening to them try and tell me "ackshully... the claws.... you'll notice that cats have claws ackshully.. you might have missed that dogs don't have sharp claws heh". Like... please.
The other most basic-bitch fandoms would be T-rex, Great white shark, grizzly bear CAN get rough sometimes. Wolves ... yes, my god wolves. For some reason wolves are just mega dork-magnets. They fuckin love em. And the problem with all of these, the main problem with cat fans too, is the fans never are aware of weaknesses in their animal. That is all I ask. Know the strengths, ALSO know the weaknesses. Every single animal is balanced with strengths and corresponding weaknesses. No animal escapes that law of the universe. For everything awesome about a cat there is something EQUALLY lame counter-balancing that awesome thing. Again, the problem with cats is the strengths are SO obvious and the weaknesses are hidden and subtle. You need to know a hell of a lot about cats to really understand their shittiness, and by definition cat fans USUALLY (with some great exceptions) have a very shallow surface level appreciation. Wolves too, these animals tend to be like "Totems" or "spirit animals" for these people. Where it's just like "i'm hitching my wagon to the tiger, lets go!!" and they actually know nothing about animals and have no genuine deep interest in even trying to learn.
Dogs draw in LESS of these people in my experience, because they are kind of inherently "boring" to people who get excited about exotic mysterious legendary iconic wild predators. The dog in the backyard that rolls over for belly rubs is a snooze fest. Lame as shit, if you are intriguing by the majectic world of wild animals. I know because again I was that kid. Dogs were whatever, they didn't even count as animals. They were "old mcdonald had a farm" shit, not killing stuff on discovery channel shit. Getting into dogs properly takes real dedication and real detective work with very tricky source material. Lots of dumb dog people in a general sense, but in the AvA world, people interested in animals who have managed to turn their focus back towards dogs? I know they are a fairly "contrarian" and thoughtful person a lot of the time.
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Post by CoolJohnson on Aug 29, 2023 18:22:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 19:15:15 GMT
Never thought I'd see both Chui and ApexBoy being described as intelligent cat fans in the same sentence as if they're both on the same level.
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 29, 2023 19:25:05 GMT
Never thought I'd see both Chui and ApexBoy being described as intelligent cat fans in the same sentence as if they're both on the same level. I mean he's kind of like ApexBoy's son, just pulling a "my dad is cooler than your dad". Forgivable.
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Post by CoolJohnson on Aug 29, 2023 20:00:29 GMT
Never thought I'd see both Chui and ApexBoy being described as intelligent cat fans in the same sentence as if they're both on the same level. They may not be on the same level, but they are the Top 5 or Top 10 of the carnivora cat fans.
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 29, 2023 23:37:37 GMT
I have a soft spot for apexboy, he is a troll and an asshole, which I like, and also is admittedly very very very good at finding cases where dogs were killed and half eaten by wild predators. Every case that ever happened since the dawn of time, apexboy keeps in a special folder. He has that interesting combo of thinking pitbulls are completely helpless worthless and weak, and yet a serious danger to society and mankind somehow at the same time.
I like him, but I can't take him seriously. In fact almost mondas-sian in his silliness level. The only serious thing, which makes me understand why cat fans would hold him in high esteem, is he really comes with the high-impact visual evidence. And that unfortunately will always be powerful, I'd argue more powerful than it should be, in debates. It's like the dogo dragging the puma down the hill video did in 4 seconds more than 7 000 000 words could do before it showed up, people just respond to seeing stuff with their own eyes. To me it was nothing, but to doubters it was huge.
Cat fans can become good, they just need to get over the hump of thinking cats are flawless and perfect super animals and realise they are just normal animals with yes impressive strengths but also damning critical weaknesses. Chui is kind of in his own lane as far as I'm concerned. I genuinely think he loves and respects the real warts and all actual thing cats are, and not some imaginary fantasy version. Gato Gordo was good, and probably second, they had reached that deeper appreciation where they fully accepted cats have weaknesses but liked them anyway, however gato was also an annoying and dishonest debater at times and couldn't understand some concepts to a frustrating level. Not as smart as chui. You have to remember I've never had a bigger arch-nemesis, our rivalry was massive. Most of my deeper understanding of gripping dog functionality was honed through long back and forth debates with gato, and partly because it could be like banging your head against a brick wall so you'd have to find a million different ways to say the same thing.
I think Cooljohnson and Supercat are already better cat fans than the vast majority, I don't know if they are just doing what they need to do to survive here, but they seem very measured and reasonable. I mean IMO supercat is getting carried away with puma predation on bison, but that's fine.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 30, 2023 22:21:17 GMT
@hardcastle Correction : The other most basic-bitch fandoms would be SPINO, Great white shark, etc What's wrong with grizzly fans? Btw regarding spino fans, I can guarantee you 100% that they are the worst breed in existence as regards biasedness(?) -hope that is a word - among the animal fans, and the vast majority of them classify themselves as dork nerds , but fake dork nerds. Nerds who aren't nerds, hence the crap of the crap. Paleonerds is the term many people of Mammalia used to describe them. Way worse than T-rex fans for sure...at least Rex fans aren't wrong when they claim their animal is the strongest and largest theropod to ever exist (only rivaled by Giga in size).
I would say that their inflating and overhyping their animals by making the most of their "strong points" without acknowledging the immensity of their weak points, much more numerous than their strong points, makes them even almost ridiculous. As well as obnoxious and monotonous.
If you will, I'll compare them to the small cat overhypers because the comparison holds up perfectly. I'm not talking about spinosaurus fans that have no minimal clue regarding the size of their theropod, those are of another totally different low IQ level ....which leads them to believe truly in 2000s dinosaur books claiming that their sailed theropod could have reached up to 10-13 tons whereas the skeletal of the largest specimen - reconstructed with the proportions of more complete specimens both of the same species and related - Just because *Smilodon populator* completely lacked the same diet flexibility, bauplan and skeleton structure Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus had to sustain those sizes. I'm talking about fanboys that claim these theropods would be a very formidable opponent for other theropods around their size because of how much overhyping there's been due to JP3 or BBC Documentary. The fun fact is ..that comparing spinosaurids to same sized megatheropods (excluding Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus and Tyrannosaurus since they vastly outsize on average and max Spinosaurus, especially in weight) especially in the head and jaw region (the most important thing to deliver a killing bite in a fight) is extremely similar to compare a bobcat or a caracal to a same sized SBT. Body size? Comparable. Deadly weaponry? The spinosaurids completely get destroyed. Just look at the difference of the jaws.
Torvosaurus compared to the largest Spinosaurus specimen Now torvosaurus compared to suchomimus
Saurophaganax now, thought to be an allosaurid but it's recently put as a carcharodontosaurid.
Just to make you laugh, tyrannosaurus rex rostrum compared to the rostrum of the largest recorded Spinosaurus.
Real life jaws' photograph really just tell that away how spinosaurids would have NO business in interacting in an hypothetical scenario with such megatheropods
Dinosaur fans are the prehistoric version of cat fans in terms of numbers, there's MANY. Because Dinosaurs and Big cats are basically among the most famous and portrayed creatures not only in movies but especially wildlife documentaries. There's tons and I repeat tons of fanboys in the dinosaur world and I've seen many Spinosaurus fans using as evidence BBC, JP3 or ....the worst of the worst.....Monster resurrected.
To overhype their heron-like 6-7.8 tonnes theropod and claim it could take on 8 -10.4 ton Tyrannosaurus or 8.8 -10.4 Giganotosaurus. The fun fact is that even a 5 ton Torvosaurus would be too much for a nearly 8 tonne Spinosaurus, as you saw how the jaws of the latter can't cause any type of mortal injuries to the former. At least Rex fans, while many are retarded aswell and have a constant of downgrading underrated megatheropods such as Giganotosaurus (the only theropod which can rival in size tyrannosaurus) , Mapusaurus or even claiming a rex could take on some sauropods pretty easily(there's skeletal evidence tyrannosaurus preyed upon Alamosaurus, but even then it's a pretty rare case just as much as a leopard taking on a 660 lb zebra mare) . There's many delays of that type, but at least they don't create such unrealistic scenarios as spinosaurus fans. Attachments:
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 31, 2023 10:36:39 GMT
Wow, I've been gone for so long, that I've missed a lot! Seems this thread has now left ''Leopard vs Gorilla'' and has now become a talk about us cat fans. Cool, Great! I am most interested.
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 31, 2023 10:46:08 GMT
I gotta say I have a lot of patience for anyone who hates cats, in the scheme of things. Cat love is easily and by far the biggest problem afflicting the animal community. Totally out of control. Anyone pushing against that in any way is fighting the good fight. Hardcastle: ''I gotta say I have a lot of patience for anyone who HATES cats...'' SuperCat: Hey Mr. Hardcastle! HATE is a strong word! Hardcastle: ''Cat love is EASILY and BY FAR the biggest problem afflicting the animal community'' SuperCat: Oh come on! You can't be serious! Are we reaaaaally THAT bad?!!! Hardcastle: ANYONE pushing against that IN ANY WAY is fighting the GOOD FIGHT. SuperCat: The ''GOOD'' fight??? So, now we're the villains of the animal fanbase??? Huh?? We deserve to be persecuted by the rest of the community?? JK by the way, LOL. I know you've encountered a lot of cat fans over the decades, who were a thorn in your side. I definitely understand. But I still think ''hate'' is a bit over the top, a bit too harsh.
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Post by CoolJohnson on Aug 31, 2023 17:10:08 GMT
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