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Post by CoolJohnson on Aug 27, 2023 22:50:43 GMT
2- Leopard ambushes and kills a sick silverback ? Where's the source of this?  This is the original source: "Leopard predation was strongly suspected in three deaths (although scavenging cannot be ruled out): a silverback in very poor physical condition at Mbeli Bai, a silverback at Bai Hokou, and a blackback at Lossi." source: Robbins, Martha M., et al. "Social structure and life‐history patterns in western gorillas (Gorilla gorilla gorilla)." American Journal of Primatology: Official Journal of the American Society of Primatologists 64.2 (2004): 145-159. |
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Post by grampa on Aug 28, 2023 2:58:03 GMT
Gorillas:
1- Gorilla kills leopard in a fight reported in 1928 by a native to Burbridge.
This is what happens when a leopard fights with a bull gorilla (non-ambush).
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 28, 2023 13:36:05 GMT
Gorillas: 1- Gorilla kills leopard in a fight reported in 1928 by a native to Burbridge. This is what happens when a leopard fights with a bull gorilla (non-ambush). I have absolutely no words to describe you, brobear. You are one of the biggest disappointments I have ever known on these forums, as I could easily consider you one of the worst back-stabbers and traitors on this board.
Did you seriously ban me from DomainOfBears after I showed screenshots of what Undertaker said about KingKodiak?
Did you SERIOUSLY unban a psychopathic cat hater that himself admitted he'd beat his daughter in real life and made him a moderator ? Did you SERIOUSLY do that or am I tripping? I thought you owned a server of animal enthusiasts, NOT hardcore fanboys with bias and childish hate for an animal. And did you seriously betray me like this? You're one of the bear posters I've respected the most among with Undertaker. And you did this to me? I've shared a lot of italian Marsican and north italian brown bear data on your domain, and you prefer a psychopath over me?
And you even dare to help him in his server? Just because you know, this is what your HERO does when he gets debunked and confronted in a debate :
He makes a mistake. 
I correct him. 
He rages, angry because he got debunked, and starts randomly to talk about topics no one ever mentioned before, he keeps avoiding the original topic because he knows he'd be wrong in it : 
Then when I replied to him and exposed him for the actual liar he is : 
He replied with an even worse answer, starting to randomly claim that I think "tigers are proportionally more powerful than bears"  
Whereas I've said the EXACT opposite. He's actually a dishonest piece of shit. And part of that is displayed in him mischaracterizing my arguments to imply I have said such BS. I have NEVER said that. 
I notice people who want to fight me have to do this a lot, invent an argument for me, one I never made, and then argue against that, rather than arguing against my actual argument, because they can't.
He's a shame as a debater, but even worse he's a slippery stinky coward.
When he gets defeated and owned he flees (like he did from here when confronted with me, a coward) and starts blocking you everywhere because he's scared of you, and if you ever get in contact with him again he starts accusing you of claiming things you've NEVER said.
Acknowledging he can't beat me in the leopard-gorilla topic, he switched on bear vs tiger and started claiming that I favor a tiger over a bear at parity. A thing I've never EVER done in my life because as a cat enthusiast, I acknowledge cat weaknesses as well as strengths. I was destroying lion and tiger fans claiming tigers and lions will always win with bears at parity by presenting them robustness indexes at defense of bears before you all ever said shit to me. And now you're falling for him. Just that you know, you have put yourself against Undertaker and Oldgreengrolar who, as TRUE unbiased posters (I thought you were too...how disappointed I am), are on my side
Last thing, just reminding you who you are letting to exist on YOUR board.  
Good job brobear, really good job. I have no words to describe you right now, just that you know as a volunteer in the army I've been taught what we should think about betrayal and unloyal people. Nothing that you actually want me to say.
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Post by grampa on Aug 28, 2023 13:50:46 GMT
First of all; you arrived on the Domain for the sheer purpose of starting a fight. Also, I felt that it was very thoughtless of you to post to the public 'Takers messages to you.
You can return if you wish to be a valued member, but drama is not needed there.
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Post by grampa on Aug 28, 2023 13:57:51 GMT
First of all; you arrived on the Domain for the sheer purpose of starting a fight. Also, I felt that it was very thoughtless of you to post to the public 'Takers messages to you. You can return if you wish to be a valued member, but drama is not needed there. I read your "evidence" and I understand your points. Good points in fact. You are welcome to return. But, do your best to handle your end of refraining from the drama. Looking forward to your input. You appear to be quite knowledgeable. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 28, 2023 14:00:51 GMT
First of all; you arrived on the Domain for the sheer purpose of starting a fight. Also, I felt that it was very thoughtless of you to post to the public 'Takers messages to you. You can return if you wish to be a valued member, but drama is not needed there. I ain't stepping my feet in a so called animal LOVERS site where the owner protects a biased user with a very well evident personal hate for cats (which makes him shitposting about them and disrespecting them in a place meant to love animals and respect them all) and who himself said he'd beat his own daughter in real life. I arrived on the Domain of bears because it was an unbiased server, free from liontards and tiger fanatics , and then I found YOU protecting this individual. It had to be brought up to the world that you were working at odds with how your board should actually function. And yes I'm telling you how you have to governate your board. I also I ain't stepping my feet in a place where that user there that keeps avoiding me because he's scared of me (well I destroyed him in debate) is a moderator. For what it's worth your board is dead (as if it isn't already, nobody posts there almost) to me. I just bothered enough to make you realise the big mistake you did and as consequence you have everyone even Undertaker against you. I don't need that, I'm better than this , so fuck off actually. You're welcome . |
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Post by grampa on Aug 28, 2023 14:07:15 GMT
Your free choice.
Quote; "And yes I'm telling you how you have to governate your board."
Exactly what I was doing when you showed up with a butcher knife in each hand looking for a fight. Not a proper way to present yourself to a forum.
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 28, 2023 17:09:50 GMT
I gotta say I have a lot of patience for anyone who hates cats, in the scheme of things. Cat love is easily and by far the biggest problem afflicting the animal community. Totally out of control. Anyone pushing against that in any way is fighting the good fight.
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Post by grampa on Aug 28, 2023 19:42:14 GMT
A thought has occurred to me. I remember reading (some years ago) about this one particular large pride of African lions that, during some hard times, had learned to hunt African bush elephants.
These lions choose a large subadult elephant, from the herd, on a dark night. An elephant has poor night vision; no better than a human's. Therefore, the lions, in large numbers, are basically ambushing a blind young elephant.
It is possible that leopards prey upon the Western gorillas in much the same fashion. In the jungle, with a canopy of foliage above, on a dark cloudy night (a tropical rain forest is very often cloudy) the leopard would be hunting completely blind sleeping gorillas.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 28, 2023 19:47:17 GMT
Your free choice. Quote; "And yes I'm telling you how you have to governate your board." Exactly what I was doing when you showed up with a butcher knife in each hand looking for a fight. Not a proper way to present yourself to a forum. I had a "butcher knife in each hand" pointed towards a 40 yo man that says he'd want to rape my kind and even beat his own daughter in real life. Not to you, I was tagging you to show you with which individual you're dealing with. How would you expect me to interact with someone that encourages to himself rape, poaching/trophy hunting and the beating of his daughter? I have to admit, coming back from two months of RAV training in the army and then going back to interacting in modern society, both real life and media, is extremely difficult. The army is a body that puts many challenges in front of you to overcome and it is a path that makes you mature a lot, and being a body where discipline reigns, a sense of brotherhood, RESPECT especially . And also a sense of family. But discipline and respect is a thing that changes you totally if you go in the army. I had to obey daily bosses, I couldn't say anything if I was told anything or judged for even the slightest stupid shitty mistake. I was wrong, and I'm nobody to contrast or use excuses to justify myself before the opinion of someone of higher rank than me. You just keep your head bowed and silent if someone of higher rank than you says something to you. Re-entering society is devastating. You just see the degeneracy and disrespect of young retarded teens and adults that you have to struggle from hold back from punching them in the face. How do you think I feel when I interact with a similar being who at the same time thinks he knows more than me about my favorite animal and at the same time disrespects and shits on it? How do you think I'll react when after I've been constructing a very balanced and intelligent argument he starts attacking me and claiming I think tigers are more powerful at parity than bears when I've been debating lion and tiger fans with actual rage on WAW (Fieryblast, Hardcastle and Bolushi can confirm) since they were shitting on the bear cause and overrating their cats? You expect me to be nice? No shit, someone that is actually capable of hating an animal automatically falls in the range of the people I consider inferior subhumans. Let alone something that claims he'd kill them all for fun if he had the chance (including raping their fans) and at the same time beating his own daughter. An even worse crime exists than this...standing with people like these and refusing to take sides with the good people. You're on this way sadly. You can redeem yourself, sure, maybe you can turn the unbiased neutral and good person I've liked many posts of both on CF and WildFact. Whatever. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 20:05:11 GMT
Your free choice. Quote; "And yes I'm telling you how you have to governate your board." Exactly what I was doing when you showed up with a butcher knife in each hand looking for a fight. Not a proper way to present yourself to a forum. I had a "butcher knife in each hand" pointed towards a 40 yo man that says he'd want to rape my kind and even beat his own daughter in real life. Not to you, I was tagging you to show you with which individual you're dealing with. How would you expect me to interact with someone that encourages to himself rape, poaching/trophy hunting and the beating of his daughter? I have to admit, coming back from two months of RAV training in the army and then going back to interacting in modern society, both real life and media, is extremely difficult. The army is a body that puts many challenges in front of you to overcome and it is a path that makes you mature a lot, and being a body where discipline reigns, a sense of brotherhood, RESPECT especially . And also a sense of family. But discipline and respect is a thing that changes you totally if you go in the army. I had to obey daily bosses, I couldn't say anything if I was told anything or judged for even the slightest stupid shitty mistake. I was wrong, and I'm nobody to contrast or use excuses to justify myself before the opinion of someone of higher rank than me. You just keep your head bowed and silent if someone of higher rank than you says something to you. Re-entering society is devastating. You just see the degeneracy and disrespect of young retarded teens and adults that you have to struggle from hold back from punching them in the face. How do you think I feel when I interact with a similar being who at the same time thinks he knows more than me about my favorite animal and at the same time disrespects and shits on it? How do you think I'll react when after I've been constructing a very balanced and intelligent argument he starts attacking me and claiming I think tigers are more powerful at parity than bears when I've been debating lion and tiger fans with actual rage on WAW (Fieryblast, Hardcastle and Bolushi can confirm) since they were shitting on the bear cause and overrating their cats? You expect me to be nice? No shit, someone that is actually capable of hating an animal automatically falls in the range of the people I consider inferior subhumans. Let alone something that claims he'd kill them all for fun if he had the chance (including raping their fans) and at the same time beating his own daughter. An even worse crime exists than this...standing with people like these and refusing to take sides with the good people. You're on this way sadly. You can redeem yourself, sure, maybe you can turn the unbiased neutral and good person I've liked many posts of both on CF and WildFact. Whatever. Brobear is veteran iirc. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 28, 2023 20:41:36 GMT
I gotta say I have a lot of patience for anyone who hates cats, in the scheme of things. Cat love is easily and by far the biggest problem afflicting the animal community. Totally out of control. Anyone pushing against that in any way is fighting the good fight.
I'll have to disagree profoundly on this. Hate fanatics, despise them, bully them, humiliate them, annihilate them, eradicate them; I totally agree and would sign a referendum to legalize this thing. We both said that we feel like justice warriors called to the arms to defend our favorite animal when a twig shits on its cause. Don't we?
That completely differs from hating the animal itself, it's one of the most childish, immature and immoral thing that an individual who considers himself "a member of the most intelligent species in the entire solar system" can say.
So it's like idiots to judge and look at animal interactions trying to humanize animals themselves and see how their actions would be viewed in our society. Sure, we are animals ourselves and both we and wild animals still feel the same primal emotions: curiosity, happiness, joy, excitement, anger, hunger, fear, stress. But that's just our psychological "overlap" that we have with them. We are so intelligent that we have created the philosophy and the ability to criticize, analyze and study our psyche, and above all we live in a society which, as you well know, is an unnatural structure that goes totally against nature itself. Wild animals don't possess our psyche, they only have one purpose: to survive. There are no rules in their world other than "survive". In our society there are rules, we have reached the point where we recognize the inviolable rights of any individual and our moralistic parents and teachers teach us and encourage us to always defend both our own and the rights of others, so there is always encouragement to be strong and brave ready to fight a threat. Any single act of cowardice is therefore regarded as an immoral quality, a failure of the standard. In nature an animal only cares about survival, if it sticks with self preservation and flees you can call it a coward how much you want, it will reply "coward?? You think I'm actually that dumb to care about honor and principles??? I want to LIVE you dummy! i ain't risking my life for this stupid coward thing, predators will keep hunting me coward or not coward. I'm smart, I'll run away".
Another retarded thing in my opinion is believing oneself so arrogant (well, we are humans after all) that one can even consider what is right or wrong in the world of nature where there are no rules. Another main reason why I started seeing red and got hyped to destroy King Kodiak. Considering ambush hunters as "unfair cowards" is just a retarded way to judge an animal, because you're looking from the human biased point of view, which only glorifies human courage. Human society values and Nature are two different worlds where the creatures that live there have two completely different concepts of mortality: wild animals and men. The formers live and behave according to how nature created them (there are no rules, you just have to survive) while the latter strayed from nature and works at odds with it, like a disease on the planet and worse still created a society with moral principles making him so arrogant that he considers himself important enough to be able to judge primal animal instincts as he would judge his fellows. A leopard doesn't give a owl hoot if he's considered a coward after killing a silverback gorilla in ambush, he doesn't give a scheiss about that, the only thing he cares about is eating and chewing on the primate's innards for to survive. He has no concept of what is unfair or fair to him, the only thing that is fair is that he eats and you, his prey on him, die to satiate him whereas he'll be fine while killing you.
I have a very long history of flame wars and very aggressive debates with wolf fans, so much so that I have come to hate them outrageously (many dog fans hate them too) but when any of them have come to tell me that wolves are dominant their cougar and that wild dogs are dominant over leopards I didn't bat an eye. They are right, it is a rule of nature. It is obvious that they are dominant only in numbers because one by one a puma would annihilate and quarter a wolf with eyes closed from ease and so would a leopard to a wild dog or a dhole. It is logical, the main thing is to recognize this. But then again I have no problem accepting that wolves are dominant over a feline that I respect and love and I don't bring up the argument that "it's easy to win as a pack, anyone would do it, cowards do it, of course cowards play UNFAIR, the wolf would be outhunted by cougars if it was a fair fight one on one. Coward wolf needs a pack LOL".
As much as I hate canine fans no, I never used that excuse. Because it's wrong to say it's unfair when a pack of wolves goes on rampage on a lone cougar in a pack vs one situation. It's unfair from YOUR human biased point of view, for the wolves it's perfectly fair because one on one they'dget grappled down and one shot by the most powerful cat. As much as I consider cat ambush a fair fight, I also consider a whole pack of canids mauling to death a lone cat fair. It's called acknowledgment that in nature there's no referee judging the fairness as the only rule is "kill or be killed".
Lastly, hating an animal as seen is just pure retardness imo. I may be of a different breed from all of you because I was raised in environments with many animals and I grew appreciating all of them with neutral respect. I MAY look like I "hate" an animal when I enter particularly vivid debates, but that's not hate. That's provoking the fanboy I'm dealing with and proving that people of this type have a single nature : being cowardly hypocrite. That happens when the latter starts insulting my animal, perfectly fair to his eyes di lui, but as I start "mocking" (in a joking way) it's favorite animal .... he'll rage and call me a hater. Hypocrite much? Do you have any idea of what you've seen this before? Exactly. Me vs. Wyatt. I was so decided to defend wolves from Bolushi when he claimed they are weak, even by posting solo predations on muskox. But as Wyatt started insulting cougars, calling them cowards that get beaten by Guanacos, I put on the display my tactic and started calling anorexic wolves, skinny adjectives and started posting about accounts of Moose and deers killing wolves. Guess how he reacted? He started calling me a hardcore wolf hater.
Delusional fanatics of any animal are the rising pleague in many forums, I'd agrue from personal experience that spinosaurus and wolf/dog fans are the most retarded breed with very few exceptions , especially for wolf fans. I'd actually put wolf fans in an even worse category. Cat fans are also there , rivaling those I've already mentioned probably on tier with some dog fans
My tactics worked. I don't hate animals. Based on my experience I should be one of the biggest wolf-dog-spinosaurus haters in the world. I'm not retarded enough to focus my hate that is caused by what the fanboy dickheads say about an innocent animal who gives a damn about my existence .
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 28, 2023 20:46:08 GMT
Never push on the translate function of all websites when sending a message and then posting it...lol i suddenly turned all of my text into italian and sent it. Would have been unreadable for people that don't understand my language
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 28, 2023 21:07:22 GMT
Caught me about to go to sleep, but I will respond later. And for real, not like the response I owe poor supercat lol.
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 28, 2023 21:45:07 GMT
I find that the "true" dog guys (and not random idiots in youtube comment sections/quora babbling about how tibetan mastiffs kill lions and leopards etc. etc.) tend to be on the very intelligent side of the animal community. Hardcastle, me, Lincoln, Brogan, Lycaon, I would call you a true dog guy too... all on the high side of AvA intellect.
I guess the worst of the dog guys was Wyatt, he had lots and lots of interest but was ultimately too dumb to comprehend what was being communicated to him.
Cat fans are usually worse and really shitty because instead of retarded new yorkers looking at the images of cane corsos firing lazers out of their eyes and taking giant chunks out of tigers there are fully grown men who fancy themselves as animal experts/enthusiasts who hold views such as "err, I'm not sure I'd take a Presa over a bobcat bro. Ever seen the claws on those things? Would probably drop its guts out. Look at what this house cat did my arm! Oh and I saw a tabby cling onto a Doberman and sent a german shepherd to a hospital once so a bobcat would kill any dog." etc. etc.
The same cannot be said for dogs or any canid guys really. It's ONLY cat fans who will retain such beliefs into adulthood.
I don't know shit about spinosaurus fans. I know wolf-specific fans are terrible too, especially when it comes to wolf vs dog. It only gets worse once you get to biologists, which generally holds true for any animal but especially the wolf guys.
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