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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 20, 2023 13:19:38 GMT
LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 13:35:45 GMT
PumAcinonyx SuperCat
For real though, i will wait for your sources or your reasonings ok? Then we will see what's up.
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 20, 2023 13:39:11 GMT
@bisonking
How about we do it this way? Instead of just showing me posts that cougars have not killed bison, how about you show me posts of bison actually killing cougars to support your claim that bison would destroy them?
Bison destroys cougar right?
Please pull up charts and accounts of cougar deaths due to bison attacks. It goes both ways. You wish to insist that cougars have not had any record of killing bison. I too insist that bison have no record of killing cougars.
Sounds fair right?
Oh, did I forget? If you can't post any account, nobody on this forum will believe you.
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 20, 2023 13:41:14 GMT
PumAcinonyx SuperCat
For real though, i will wait for your sources or your reasonings ok? Then we will see what's up.
I think by now, you should know that I will not be presenting any accounts of cougars actually killing bison, because I don't have any. However I will be posting pictures, videos and accounts to support the notion that they can, even if they do not. I don’t need actual accounts to prove myself right. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 14:09:25 GMT
Are you serious right now buddy? A puma is a predator (as you should know very well), a bison is a bovid, its the puma that should, in theory, be killing bisons, as you claim they can by ambush. The very fact that bison is not in any puma predation chart proves exactly that, that bison is not a prey item. Moreover, if a puma attacked a bison by ambush, and the bison dislodged and the puma is about to get stomped, the puma WILL sure as hell run the other way, making that interaction a FORFEIT. A puma can run away from a bison, a bison cant run away from a puma. And if a bison cant run away from a puma, then the question is, why dont we have any bisons, even females, killed by pumas?.
You bet your ass, a bull plains bison is built like a tank, it averages 1834 lbs, its neck girth is insane. What is a 180 lb puma gona do? Bison takes a shit and the puma dies, period.
How can i have such account when pumas dont get anywhere near bison bro? You expect the bison to go "puma hunting" or something?
Wow, who would have thought of this? What a relief.
Awesome, then it will be your subjective opinion.
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 20, 2023 14:24:25 GMT
A good argument is a good argument. I don't think SC necessarily needs all links and videos and studies and etc, because I sure as hell don't need them to argue the other way.
Just explain why you believe this and we shall see if it is persuasive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 14:27:46 GMT
A good argument is a good argument. I don't think SC necessarily needs all links and videos and studies and etc, because I sure as hell don't need them to argue the other way. Just explain why you believe this and we shall see if it is persuasive.
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Post by grampa on Aug 20, 2023 14:45:51 GMT
PumAcinonyx SuperCat - Show us the data. Show us just one confirmed bull bison kill by a cougar.
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 20, 2023 15:19:24 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrr
The animal fanbase be DAMNED!!!
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 20, 2023 15:20:31 GMT
I think I might have to start trolling on this forum to show why all of you are so annoying!!!
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 20, 2023 15:35:37 GMT
PumAcinonyx SuperCat - Show us the data. Show us just one confirmed bull bison kill by a cougar. "Show us this", "Show us that", "Show us the other", "Show us a cougar doing Y and Z to prove that it can." "Show us a video of a 200-pound cougar killing a white-tailed deer fawn before I know that a 200-pound cougar can, by the way don’t show an account of any cougar smaller or bigger than 200 pounds doing it, it has to be an exact 200-pound cougar that did it." "Show us an actual account." "Show us!!!" "Show!!!!!!" How about you show me an authenticated account of an elephant killing an oryx, impala, wildebeest, and topi, all at once (that exact combination of animals) in the same fight. You having a hard time finding such an account? Oh, come on, that shouldn't be difficult. It's littered all over the Internet. After all, all 5 animals coexist in Africa and have since the beginning of time. So the fact that you CANNOT show ME an account of an elephant killing that EXACT quartet of animals means that it just can't. No excuses acceptable, it just CANNOT. The bullshit excuse that "the elephants is not a carnivore, so it doesn't have any need to go out of its way to attack herbivores, or that all the 5 animals don't have reason to fight" is a self-sabotaging one. Exactly, the fact that the elephant has not had need to fight an oryx, impala, wildebeest and topi all at once, for thousands of years means it has evolved to be an animal that cannot. The more you don’t do something, the more you suck at doing it. Whatever the reason you don't do it may be, whether justifiable or otherwise. Your not having need to do it removes your ability to do it, and seals your fate. Therefore, I am confident that an elephant WILL NOT beat that quartet of ungulates. And until you can show me ONLY ONE account, you CANNOT convince me, and I will be dumb to believe you if you say the elephant will win. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 15:47:23 GMT
PumAcinonyx SuperCat - Show us the data. Show us just one confirmed bull bison kill by a cougar.
So, in his mind, even though pumas can kill bull bisons by ambush, the puma is a very nice and sweet animal that spares the bisons life. |
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Post by grampa on Aug 20, 2023 15:52:29 GMT
You are talking about a predator living within the same environment of the bison. Bison are thoroughly studied by biologists; as are cougars. They know what predators hunt and kill bison. The cougar is not on that list.
This is not an attack on the cougar. Cougar, puma, mountain lion; he is a beautiful cat worthy of praise and admiration. But, as with all animals, he has his limitations. Even the Yellowstone grizzly avoids the bull bison.
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Aug 20, 2023 15:54:07 GMT
Maybe I should even make a thread about that- African bull elephant Vs Wildebeest, Impala, Oryx, and Topi.
Then I tag all of you to each show me your own accounts of an elephant killing that EXACT quartet of animals (not one animal must be missing or replaced with another very similar animal).
And until I get at least 100 accounts, I cannot be convinced. One specific number of accounts that I must not see is 3. Why 3? Where's the rest? Why aren't elephants doing it more.
They are the most powerful land animal in Africa after all (according to you guys, I never said I believed that), so they should obviously do as they wish. They should rule the savannah with an iron foot. We should see them going around, tyrannising over every other animal and striking terror into all and sundry. But they don't. Maybe it's because they cannot.
No explanation can be given for why they don’t. "They are peaceful creatures" will fail you big time. By being peaceful, they have become docile and flabby to the point where they cannot beat the quartet of animals I am putting against them. Simple as that. After all, elephants coexist with this guys, right?
Therefore me not seeing them going around and destroying an impala, wildebeest, oryx, and topi CAN ONLY mean they don't have the ability to.
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