Cougar vs American bison

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Cougar vs American bison (Historical Accounts and Expert Perspective) 



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Important Notice: 


1) Cougar is in the weight range of 80-100 kg 


2) Bison is in the weight range of 500-700 kg 


3) Both animals are in perfect health condition and without any compromise 


4) The cougar attacks using ambush (this isn't a face-to-face battle) 


Lastly: This is not a discussion thread. Every discussion on "Cougar vs Bison" has been had in the past already. You've all seen the accounts posted here. I'm just doing this mainly for fun, just to have an "official" "Cougar vs Bison" thread. 

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First Account: Witnessed by John Hunter in Western Arkansas 







Taken From: Memoirs of a Captivity Among the Indians of North America (Pages 110-112): books.google.com.ng/books?id=rXQFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Second Account: Witnessed by Daniel and Squire Boone in Kentucky 







Taken From: The life and adventures of Daniel Boone, the first settler of Kentucky : interspersed with incidents in the early annals of the country (Pages 74-76): archive.org/details/lifeadventuresof00inflin/page/74/mode/1up?q=upon%20the%20second%20day

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Third Account: Witnessed by two Wyoming hunters (in Wyoming, I guess) 





Taken From: WESTERN FIELD, February, 1904 (THE CALIFORNIA LION, Pages 127-128): archive.org/details/westernfield41904olym

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Now to perspectives from experts who are convinced that cougars truly are capable of killing healthy adult bison

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First Expert: Harold Danz (expresses his view in 2 different places) 


He refers to the 2 accounts witnessed by John Hunter and Daniel Boone, and believes that even though both accounts are only anecdotal, they fall within the realm of possibility. On account of this, he is open to the belief that cougars might have once been a potential predator of adult American bison 






Taken From: Cougar! (Pages 73-74): archive.org/details/cougar00danz


His belief is confirmed in a previously written book where he says that even though the accounts, due to being old, cannot be proven, they fall within the realm of possibility. Because of this, he is willing to at the very least consider the cougar as being a potential predator of adult American bison 






Taken From: Of bison and man : from the annals of a bison yesterday to a refreshing outcome from human involvement with America's most valiant of beasts (Pages 74-75): archive.org/details/ofbisonmanfroman00danz

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Second Expert: Paula Wild 


She makes reference to the account witnessed by Daniel Boone, at the beginning of the eighth chapter of her book. Not only does she believe the account to be credible, she is even convinced that the bison the cougar was attacking could very likely have weighed 635 kilograms more than the cat, and that the cat could have taken it down! 




Taken From: The Cougar: Beautiful, Wild and Dangerous (Page 127): books.google.com.ng/books?id=sSr8AAAAQBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PA127#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Third Expert: Jim Bob Tinsley 


He states that the American bison, alongside the moose, is subject to predation on the cougar’s uppermost prey spectrum. He afterwards makes mention of the account related by Daniel Boone as the basis of his statement 




Taken From: The puma : legendary lion of the Americas (Page 60): archive.org/details/pumalegendarylio0000tins

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Fourth Experts: Stanley P. Young and Edward A. Goldman (authors of arguably the most popular and respected literature ever written on cougars) 


Stanley Young reports that it is likely that cougars rarely tackled prey as formidable as an adult bison in time past, believing that there was/is a possibility of cougar predation on adult American bison. He afterwards references the account witnessed by Daniel Boone to back up the potential that cougars had/have to prey on adult American bison 






Taken From: The puma, mysterious American cat. Part I: History, life habits, economic status, and control (Pages 97-98): archive.org/details/pumamysteriousam00youn

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Let me add that we should all do ourselves the dignity of being rational by not posting this nonsense below as a way to "debunk" me: 



If you think this in the slightest way has any relevance, I will do you the kind gesture of taking off my thinking cap and coming down to your level of sanity by posting an equally meaningless post and posing a question to you: 



The above picture was taken from a newspaper that was released on March 6, 1897. You can very well read "I have never known a single instance where a panther has attacked a human being- that is, where such instance could be traced to a reliable source." 

Ask yourself this question and answer honestly: Would you be so dumb as to say that because you just read a section of a newspaper where the writer said they have never heard of a single case of a cougar attacking a human being, that a cougar has NEVER ONCE since the beginning of time, until March 6, 1897, attacked a human? Are you that daft to take this statement as meaning that? 

If not, then please put that first bullshit picture aside, and don't think it has any relevance attached to it, because it does not.

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In Conclusion 


The cougar (Puma concolor) truly is fully capable of killing healthy, and non-compromised adult American bison (Bison bison). It is what they are designed for, and something they will instinctively begin to do when


they (cougars) are in the right size range, 


the bison are in the weight multiple factor range at which other big cats have proven themselves proficient at killing wild cattle species, 


and they (cougars) are given or afforded a proper work environment where the restraints that bind them from expressing their full potential are eliminated. 



Not only that, but killing healthy adult bison is something they are far better at doing than any other land carnivore in the whole of North America, whether wolves, black bears, or brown bears. They are undisputedly the ULTIMATE bison-killing machine in the entirety of North America. 


And we all, will be nothing but wise to know and understand that: 




Embrace Wisdom!

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All hail the BISON SLAYER! 




The Cougar: Beautiful, Wild and Dangerous

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Lets debunk the load of horseshit posted in this thread. This is the most stupidest thread in the history of AVA forums, LMAO.  So lets start...

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So you are going by the premise that a puny ass cougar can kill a full grown bison just because you have 3 accounts from between 100 to 200 years ago? You are an idiot kid, LMFAO. the funny thing is that in none of the 3 accounts the bisons died, not even badly injured, just attacked, and out of the 3 we know 1 was a female.

First account:

"A herd of a thousand buffaloes"

This could had very well been a female as the males live alone or in herds of up to 30 individuals, this depends on the season, but the viewers now know that it could had been a female, and most likely it was, lmao. And? Unfortunately for you, the bison didn't even die.

Second account:

Again, the bison didn't die. Could had been a male, but unfortunately for you, it wasn't killed.

Third account:

"Full grown bison cow", awesome, it was knocked to the ground, but then succeeded in shaking off the puma. Once again, unfortunately for you, the bison didn't die. Would it had died? A female, by ambush as it was, i believe so.

So what do we have in conclusion from these 3 accounts? We have 3 cases of pumas attacking bisons by ambush, 1 we known it was a female. Damn, still no cases of pumas killing bisons. Too bad.


Lets continue.....

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So you are claiming a coward ass puma, the 4th largest cat can kill the largest and most formidable bovid in the world? Healthy male specimens by ambush? You know how thick a bison's neck is kid? A puma would only tickle a bison, lmao:

Bull wood bison neck girth- 6 feet 0 inches (182.88 cm) (a plains bison should be a bit smaller but still)



Kid, (i dont think you are more than 13), not even a pack a wolves hunt healthy male bisons, what makes you think a sorry ass, puny little cat is even able to? Oh i know, 3 accounts from 200 years ago which the bisons didn't even die.