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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 10:24:34 GMT
and the cage while not ideal isn't a big factor for it. I mean the cage would be a big deal for it. Great whites do worse in more enclosed areas than Orcas do, even though the shark is smaller and has more space to move around in. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 4, 2023 12:26:08 GMT
I'm not convinced an orca will end up like that. Tilikum showed us otherwise. Tilikum passed years of abuse and cruelty towards Tilikum, including the act of allowing the other whales to "rake" Tilikum's skin with their teeth until he bled, not to mention SeaWorld masturbated Tilikum over and over and forcibly impregnated female orcas with his sperm. The result? Tilikum got in rage mode and killed 3 of his trainers. I think that a stressed orca if faced with actual animals it preys in the wild will probably kill it if needed. Not all of them I suppose, but the ones taken from their families whom try to commit suicide and have collapsed dorsal fins as they swim in circles etc. etc. If shit were to hit the fan and Tikikum was dealing with a dangerous threatening animal, do you think Tilikum would perform very well? They're just humans. I've been researching on the topic, apparently the primal consequence of high stress in orcas is aggressive behaviour, not sure how they'd behave with sharks in cages though. "Tilikum, of Blackfish fame, was deemed responsible for three of those deaths. While it is impossible to say why these acts take place, the stress of captivity is thought to play a significant role. Captive orcas also display aggression towards each other, as well as self-destructive behavior." www.dolphinproject.com/resources/about-dolphins/about-orcas/orcas-in-captivity/#:~:text=Aggressive%20Behavior&text=Tilikum%2C%20of%20Blackfish%20fame%2C%20was,well%20as%20self%2Ddestructive%20behavior. "thought to play a significant role. Captive orcas also display aggression towards each other, as well as self-destructive behavior." naturescrusaders.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/orcas-behavior-can-become-aggressive-in-captivity/n captivity” | Nature's ... 26 feb 2010 — To relieve their stress, captive killer whales may get aggressive toward themselves, other killer whales, or humans
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 14:28:29 GMT
Not all of them I suppose, but the ones taken from their families whom try to commit suicide and have collapsed dorsal fins as they swim in circles etc. etc. If shit were to hit the fan and Tikikum was dealing with a dangerous threatening animal, do you think Tilikum would perform very well? They're just humans. I've been researching on the topic, apparently the primal consequence of high stress in orcas is aggressive behaviour, not sure how they'd behave with sharks in cages though. "Tilikum, of Blackfish fame, was deemed responsible for three of those deaths. While it is impossible to say why these acts take place, the stress of captivity is thought to play a significant role. Captive orcas also display aggression towards each other, as well as self-destructive behavior." www.dolphinproject.com/resources/about-dolphins/about-orcas/orcas-in-captivity/#:~:text=Aggressive%20Behavior&text=Tilikum%2C%20of%20Blackfish%20fame%2C%20was,well%20as%20self%2Ddestructive%20behavior. "thought to play a significant role. Captive orcas also display aggression towards each other, as well as self-destructive behavior." naturescrusaders.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/orcas-behavior-can-become-aggressive-in-captivity/n captivity” | Nature's ... 26 feb 2010 — To relieve their stress, captive killer whales may get aggressive toward themselves, other killer whales, or humans
Have you seen Blackfish on Netflix? It's great. It talks all about their social behaviours when imprisoned in small areas, and other things of course (cruelty etc.). Anyways, If they act aggressively towards each other when confiscated in a small area, then who knows what would happen if you threw a great white shark in with one:  The orca would just maul the crap out of the shark. Maybe even toy with it before and/or after killing it. Btw I'm curious to hear what your thoughts are when it comes to sharks battling dolphins and vice versa. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 4, 2023 15:05:02 GMT
Have you seen Blackfish on Netflix? It's great. It talks all about their social behaviours when imprisoned in small areas, and other things of course (cruelty etc.). That's one thing I have avoided watching, just seems really grim and sad. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 15:06:04 GMT
Have you seen Blackfish on Netflix? It's great. It talks all about their social behaviours when imprisoned in small areas, and other things of course (cruelty etc.). That's one thing I have avoided watching, just seems really grim and sad. It's sad but it's interesting. |
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Post by lincoln on Jul 5, 2023 8:22:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 11:26:40 GMT
Gorillas have the potential to jump up to the same level as lions and tigers, yet they remain closer to the level that leopards sit at (well a bit above that), which is quite frankly annoying. Like they could be so much higher up if they just had the confidence and aggression.
In short: they have the physicality but lack the mentality.
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Jul 5, 2023 11:34:25 GMT
Good to have you back bro! It really is! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 14:30:12 GMT
Just found this out but apparently brobear favours a panda over a gorilla at parity...that's an easy win for the ape in my eyes.
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Post by Bolushi on Jul 5, 2023 20:04:57 GMT
and the cage while not ideal isn't a big factor for it. I mean the cage would be a big deal for it. Great whites do worse in more enclosed areas than Orcas do, even though the shark is smaller and has more space to move around in. I mean the shark will die in a cage before the orca does, but "aaaaah poor me!!! I miss freedom! My friends and family!  " doesn't occur to sharks. While it would occur to more intelligent animals... who can react in several ways. Orcas responding with aggression isn't the response I expected. So maybe not the best analogy. I just envisioned a shark swimming towards the orca as the orca swims in circles in panic and sadness and just rips chunks out of it and bleeds it to death, since the shark doesn't realize this is an unethical very unfortunate situation it has been put into. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 20:23:21 GMT
I mean the cage would be a big deal for it. Great whites do worse in more enclosed areas than Orcas do, even though the shark is smaller and has more space to move around in. I mean the shark will die in a cage before the orca does, but "aaaaah poor me!!! I miss freedom! My friends and family! " doesn't occur to sharks. While it would occur to more intelligent animals... who can react in several ways. Orcas responding with aggression isn't the response I expected. So maybe not the best analogy. I just envisioned a shark swimming towards the orca as the orca swims in circles in panic and sadness and just rips chunks out of it and bleeds it to death, since the shark doesn't realize this is an unethical very unfortunate situation it has been put into. A Great white shark will kill an Orca in their natural environments. One day... one day... |
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Post by Bolushi on Jul 5, 2023 20:26:32 GMT
I mean the shark will die in a cage before the orca does, but "aaaaah poor me!!! I miss freedom! My friends and family! " doesn't occur to sharks. While it would occur to more intelligent animals... who can react in several ways. Orcas responding with aggression isn't the response I expected. So maybe not the best analogy. I just envisioned a shark swimming towards the orca as the orca swims in circles in panic and sadness and just rips chunks out of it and bleeds it to death, since the shark doesn't realize this is an unethical very unfortunate situation it has been put into. A Great white shark will kill an Orca in their natural environments. One day... one day... One day... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 20:46:31 GMT
A Great white shark will kill an Orca in their natural environments. One day... one day... One day... Well it PROBABLY has already happened. Out of the millions of years that orcas have been around in, I'm sure a Great White shark has killed a Killer whale at least once. |
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Post by Bolushi on Jul 5, 2023 20:54:55 GMT
Well it PROBABLY has already happened. Out of the millions of years that orcas have been around in, I'm sure a Great White shark has killed a Killer whale at least once. Yes, maybe a baby got swept out by a current, beached itself and as it tried to swim back into the water a great white took a chunk out of it and bled it out. Victory GWS! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 21:02:47 GMT
Well it PROBABLY has already happened. Out of the millions of years that orcas have been around in, I'm sure a Great White shark has killed a Killer whale at least once. Yes, maybe a baby got swept out by a current, beached itself and as it tried to swim back into the water a great white took a chunk out of it and bled it out. Victory GWS! A Great white shark has probably killed a female Killer whale. Millions of years is a long time. And while, orcas are leagues above white sharks, the shark is still a powerful predator, which bite exceeds the orca's in devastation. If an orca was bitten by a great white shark it could get seriously injured, possibly even die. Sharks probably have the most dangerous pairs of jaws of all time. |
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" doesn't occur to sharks. While it would occur to more intelligent animals... who can react in several ways. Orcas responding with aggression isn't the response I expected. So maybe not the best analogy. I just envisioned a shark swimming towards the orca as the orca swims in circles in panic and sadness and just rips chunks out of it and bleeds it to death, since the shark doesn't realize this is an unethical very unfortunate situation it has been put into.