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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 12:01:09 GMT
Yeah, that's why i said its either a below-average silverback (small specimen) or a blackblack. It isn't below average lol. Adults range from 140-200kg. So 140-200kg is considered average. |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 12:05:14 GMT
Mountain gorilla-AVERAGE weight 152.9 kg (337 lbs)
RANGE (smallest to largest) 133.6 kg to 190.9 kg. Get the difference? 
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 12:05:17 GMT
It isn't below average lol. Adults range from 140-200kg. So 140-200kg is considered average. Lmao 141kg is still a silverback either way. Lower than average or not. Also chances are the black panther was a jaguar and not a leopard. |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 12:16:56 GMT
Absolutely wrong. The range is one thing, and the average is another. Are you new to debating? Lmao. The averages are listed right there. The "ranges" include the smallest to the largest specimens in that simple. Lmao 141kg is still a silverback either way. Lower than average or not. Also chances are the black panther was a jaguar and not a leopard. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 12:19:20 GMT
Lmao 141kg is still a silverback either way. Lower than average or not. Also chances are the black panther was a jaguar and not a leopard. Well we'll never know. So just leave it at that. I'm aware that gorillas aren't always willing to fight, especially when locked in a small cage with another animal. So this may have just beeb a one-off encounter. Sub-adult or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 12:22:17 GMT
If I had to rank gorillas against big cats then I'd put them above pantanal jaguars, but below lionesses most of the time. Gorillas are above lionesses, but below lions/tigers. A gorilla would murder a lioness. If silverbacks average larger than lionesses then I don't feel confident in the lioness's ability to fight uphill. It isn't impossible though. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 21, 2023 18:35:25 GMT
I doubt a Gorilla would murder a female Lion.
Gorillas already have some difficulty with Leopards since they flee and omit 'fear' odors when they encounter the big cat. Not to mention there are a lot of sources of Gorillas getting predated on by Leopards.
Not to mention that Lions can physically wrestle down large prey.
I do not think a Gorilla can match this typr of grappling and usage of claws.
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 18:52:10 GMT
I doubt a Gorilla would murder a female Lion. Gorillas already have some difficulty with Leopards since they flee and omit 'fear' odors when they encounter the big cat. Not to mention there are a lot of sources of Gorillas getting predated on by Leopards. Not to mention that Lions can physically wrestle down large prey. I do not think a Gorilla can match this typr of grappling and usage of claws. The "fear odor" is because they are scared for their family, they are moving them to safety. Guess who "fears" who when they are discovered? It doesn't get much clear than this: the coward little kitty: "there are a lot of sources of Gorillas getting predated on by Leopards.: There are rarely of silverbacks, maybe 4/5 at most, and all by ambush or sleeping gorillas BOOK, PRIMATE TO PRIMATE, Educating the Public about Nonhuman Primates and Their Conservation Issues Kristina Cawthon THE EFFECT OF LEOPARD PREDATION ON GORILLA POPULATIONS IS NEGLIGIBLE. (SO SMALL OR UNIMPORTANT AS TO BE NOT WORTH CONSIDERING. INSIGNIFICANT)  books.google.com.ar/books?id=RndMAAAAMAAJ&q=Gorilla+displaced+a+leopard+from+kill&dq=Gorilla+displaced+a+leopard+from+kill&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=yThe average biomass of the gorillas hunted by leopards in Central Gabon was 78 kg (171 lbs). Obviously subadult and female gorillas:  I thing some of you dont know crap about gorilla/leopards interactions, lmao |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 18:55:58 GMT
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 18:57:39 GMT
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 19:00:26 GMT
Fear? This is "fear" :
Book: The Gentle Giants, the Gorilla Story.
Author: Geoffrey Howard Bourne, Australian-American anatomist and primatologist:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_H._Bourne
The leopards had apparently intended to sneak up on the gorilla group, grab a young one, and carry it off. When the gorillas were aroused, however, the leopards thought the better of picking a fight with them and ran for cover.
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 19:01:36 GMT
Gorilla > coward, sorry ass GAYpard.
Simple as this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 19:02:27 GMT
Nah you don't really understand gorillas. You don't understand gorillas. This is the worst mismatch on this board, even for joke standards. Make this a 1v1 and it is heavily in favor of the tiger and STILL not a mismatch. 430 lb tiger vs 350 lbs silverback is definitely turtlenecking mismatch territory. That's not a fight the silverback will ever win. Even a 450 lb silverback will lose everytime. Edit to my last post, forgot to say it was all adult "male" gorillas I did the limb long bone calculations for. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 19:08:49 GMT
Leopard kills Gorilla almost twice its size. 
EASTERN LOWLAND GORILLA (GORILLA BERINGEI GRAUERI)- 175 KG (385 LBS).
MOUNTAIN GORILLA (GORILLA BERINGEI BERINGEI)-162 KG (357 LBS).
WESTERN LOWLAND GORILLA (GORILLA GORILLA GORILLA)-170 KG (374 LBS).
CROSS RIVER GORILLA (GORILLA GORILLA DIEHLI)-NOT MENTIONED. THIS IS THE LEAST STUDIED GORILLA SUBSPECIES AND MOST ENDANGERED. BODY WEIGHT IS NOT KNOWN TO BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE WESTERN LOWLAND GORILLA.
 The average silverback from the Western lowland gorilla, the most numerous gorilla subspecies, is 326 lbs in the wild and about 350 lbs in captivity. But a lot of Western lowland silverbacks can be 310 lbs. Even if this was a blackback it still tells us something about how out of their league wild primates are compared to robust cats on a P4P basis. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 19:21:19 GMT
Absolutely wrong. The range is one thing, and the average is another. Are you new to debating? Lmao. The averages are listed right there. The "ranges" include the smallest to the largest specimens in that simple. Lmao 141kg is still a silverback either way. Lower than average or not. Also chances are the black panther was a jaguar and not a leopard. That was a point of confusion for me too but I remember eventually reading this black panther was a leopard. A 350 lb silverback will have problems with a 220 lb Pantanal jaguar. The silverback probably has the advantage but it will still have problems. Forget large male lions and tigers that are outweighing the silverback by 80 lbs, for all intents and purposes that is a mismatch. P4P gorillas (and primates in general) are not impressive compared to robust carnivorans, and stylistically not well-suited to fight cats. Certainly silverbacks will come back some compared to blackbacks, but they're still gorillas and P4P won't be anything like twice a blackback anything. |
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