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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 12:45:21 GMT
It would be a shit fest that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 21:16:54 GMT
You gotta be kidding... 1 gorilla would lose every time but it'd be a lot closer and fairer than this. Unless we're talking females, then they're just dumb pacifist monkeys that will die.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 21:45:29 GMT
You gotta be kidding... 1 gorilla would lose every time but it'd be a lot closer and fairer than this. Unless we're talking females, then they're just dumb pacifist monkeys that will die. Smaller gorilla. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 23:24:50 GMT
Assuming average Cross-river silverbacks (ie guessing 350 lbs) vs 430 lb Bengal tiger, I actually think the two gorillas have the physical tools to beat the tiger given there are two of them. This is assuming bulldog-like gameness plus working together and supporting one another completely on the part of the two silverbacks. Still a very difficult win, but I think these two silverbacks could have the advantage if they were just on complete savage mode plus working together completely.
However in practice the gorillas won't bring in that kind of gameness to the table and won't want to work well-enough together to manage it either. Say you get two silverbacks as motivated as silverbacks can be vs a tiger as motivated as a tiger can be, I just think each gorilla will be too cowed by and indecisive with a tiger of that size to do what needs to be done.
Reason being the tiger could fairly easily chew out any one of the silverbacks by themselves, therefore the gorillas would find it hard to look past that possibility and are not combat savvy-enough and experienced in teamwork like a pack of wild canids are in defeating a greater adversary.
A very motivated tiger could charge in on Silverback 1 like a bulldog and go straight for the gorilla's neck. Silverback 1 WILL go to ground and then you have one tiger mauling the shit out of a silverback in the process of killing him.
While this is happening, Silverback 2 won't do enough in supporting Silverback 1 by closing in and savaging the occupied tiger to cause the tiger to disengage from Silverback 1 before he's disabled. Silverback 2 won't do this because he will be afraid that when he causes the tiger enough pain to get the tiger to disengage from Silverback 1, the tiger's automatic reaction will be to go for the cause of that pain ie Silverback 2.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 23:33:08 GMT
Assuming average Cross-river silverbacks (ie guessing 350 lbs) vs 430 lb Bengal tiger, I actually think the two gorillas have the physical tools to beat the tiger given there are two of them. This is assuming bulldog-like gameness plus working together and supporting one another completely on the part of the two silverbacks. Still a very difficult win, but I think these two silverbacks could have the advantage if they were just on complete savage mode plus working together completely. However in practice the gorillas won't bring in that kind of gameness to the table and won't want to work well-enough together to manage it either. Say you get two silverbacks as motivated as silverbacks can be vs a tiger as motivated as a tiger can be, I just think each gorilla will be too cowed by and indecisive with a tiger of that size to do what needs to be done. Reason being the tiger could fairly easily chew out any one of the silverbacks by themselves, therefore the gorillas would find it hard to look past that possibility and are not combat savvy-enough and experienced in teamwork like a pack of wild canids are in defeating a greater adversary. A very motivated tiger could charge in on Silverback 1 like a bulldog and go straight for the gorilla's neck. Silverback 1 WILL go to ground and then you have one tiger mauling the shit out of a silverback in the process of killing him. While this is happening, Silverback 2 won't do enough in supporting Silverback 1 by closing in and savaging the occupied tiger to cause the tiger to disengage from Silverback 1 before he's disabled. Silverback 2 won't do this because he will be afraid that when he causes the tiger enough pain to get the tiger to disengage from Silverback 1, the tiger's automatic reaction will be to go for the cause of that pain ie Silverback 2. Correction: Tiger threatens gorilla troop, gorillas somehow force tiger to fight, 2 silverbacks punch, maul and pull the tiger to death. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 23:41:55 GMT
Assuming average Cross-river silverbacks (ie guessing 350 lbs) vs 430 lb Bengal tiger, I actually think the two gorillas have the physical tools to beat the tiger given there are two of them. This is assuming bulldog-like gameness plus working together and supporting one another completely on the part of the two silverbacks. Still a very difficult win, but I think these two silverbacks could have the advantage if they were just on complete savage mode plus working together completely. However in practice the gorillas won't bring in that kind of gameness to the table and won't want to work well-enough together to manage it either. Say you get two silverbacks as motivated as silverbacks can be vs a tiger as motivated as a tiger can be, I just think each gorilla will be too cowed by and indecisive with a tiger of that size to do what needs to be done. Reason being the tiger could fairly easily chew out any one of the silverbacks by themselves, therefore the gorillas would find it hard to look past that possibility and are not combat savvy-enough and experienced in teamwork like a pack of wild canids are in defeating a greater adversary. A very motivated tiger could charge in on Silverback 1 like a bulldog and go straight for the gorilla's neck. Silverback 1 WILL go to ground and then you have one tiger mauling the shit out of a silverback in the process of killing him. While this is happening, Silverback 2 won't do enough in supporting Silverback 1 by closing in and savaging the occupied tiger to cause the tiger to disengage from Silverback 1 before he's disabled. Silverback 2 won't do this because he will be afraid that when he causes the tiger enough pain to get the tiger to disengage from Silverback 1, the tiger's automatic reaction will be to go for the cause of that pain ie Silverback 2. Correction: Tiger threatens gorilla troop, gorillas somehow force tiger to fight, 2 silverbacks punch, maul and pull the tiger to death. Ehhh maybe. Gorillas can't actually punch, when fighting they really just fling their arms around and bite their opponent. The tiger is also stronger. I think pfp as well lol. The two will give it more trouble than one, but I have yet to see a pair of gorillas "working "together". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 23:47:20 GMT
Correction: Tiger threatens gorilla troop, gorillas somehow force tiger to fight, 2 silverbacks punch, maul and pull the tiger to death. Ehhh maybe. Gorillas can't actually punch, when fighting they really just fling their arms around and bite their opponent. The tiger is also stronger. I think pfp as well lol. The two will give it more trouble than one, but I have yet to see a pair of gorillas "working "together". They don't have to. If both are attacking the tiger is fucked, the gorillas could afford to just flail their arms around, bite with no coordination. I think one gorilla would prove troublesome, 2??? You guys are insane. |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 2:49:54 GMT
Assuming average Cross-river silverbacks (ie guessing 350 lbs) vs 430 lb Bengal tiger, I actually think the two gorillas have the physical tools to beat the tiger given there are two of them. This is assuming bulldog-like gameness plus working together and supporting one another completely on the part of the two silverbacks. Still a very difficult win, but I think these two silverbacks could have the advantage if they were just on complete savage mode plus working together completely. However in practice the gorillas won't bring in that kind of gameness to the table and won't want to work well-enough together to manage it either. Say you get two silverbacks as motivated as silverbacks can be vs a tiger as motivated as a tiger can be, I just think each gorilla will be too cowed by and indecisive with a tiger of that size to do what needs to be done. Reason being the tiger could fairly easily chew out any one of the silverbacks by themselves, therefore the gorillas would find it hard to look past that possibility and are not combat savvy-enough and experienced in teamwork like a pack of wild canids are in defeating a greater adversary. A very motivated tiger could charge in on Silverback 1 like a bulldog and go straight for the gorilla's neck. Silverback 1 WILL go to ground and then you have one tiger mauling the shit out of a silverback in the process of killing him. While this is happening, Silverback 2 won't do enough in supporting Silverback 1 by closing in and savaging the occupied tiger to cause the tiger to disengage from Silverback 1 before he's disabled. Silverback 2 won't do this because he will be afraid that when he causes the tiger enough pain to get the tiger to disengage from Silverback 1, the tiger's automatic reaction will be to go for the cause of that pain ie Silverback 2. Correction: Tiger threatens gorilla troop, gorillas somehow force tiger to fight, 2 silverbacks punch, maul and pull the tiger to death. I agree. This is no video game. 1 single tiger stands no chance vs 2 gorillas. |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 2:52:48 GMT
Correction: Tiger threatens gorilla troop, gorillas somehow force tiger to fight, 2 silverbacks punch, maul and pull the tiger to death. Ehhh maybe. Gorillas can't actually punch, when fighting they really just fling their arms around and bite their opponent. The tiger is also stronger. I think pfp as well lol. The two will give it more trouble than one, but I have yet to see a pair of gorillas "working "together". Wrong. Tigers have stronger lower body, gorillas have stronger upper body. |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 2:54:19 GMT
RELATIVE TO THEIR SIZE THE HIGHER APES, ESPECIALLY THE GORILLAS, HAVE THE BROADEST, MOST MASSIVE PELVIC SKELETON OF ALL ANIMALS:  |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 3:01:55 GMT
Another not very well known advantage that gorillas have is their arm span which averages 8 feet (2.4 meters) long, this is very useful to keep the enemy at a distance: Book, Demonic Males, Apes and the Origins of Human Violence Author, Richard Walter Wrangham, English anthropologist and primatologist en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wrangham"Apes can fight with their fists because they have adapted to hanging from their arms, which means that their arms can swing all around their shoulders, the shoulder joint being a flexible multidirectional joint. So chimpanzees and gorillas often hit with their fists when they fight, and they can keep most canine-flashing opponents at bay because their arms are long. If chimpanzees and gorillas find punching effective, then surely the woodland apes, who were standing up high on hind legs, would had fought even better with their arms."  books.google.com.ar/books?id=fP0c4b3jbMYC&pg=PA180&dq=So+chimpanzees+and+gorillas+often+hit+with+their+fists+when+they+fight&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=So%20chimpanzees%20and%20gorillas%20often%20hit%20with%20their%20fists%20when%20they%20fight&f=false |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 3:06:55 GMT
MALE GORILLAS CAN FIGHT FIERCELY AND INFLICT SEVERE WOUNDS (FOSSEY, 1983). MALE GORILLA SKULLS FREQUENTLY SHOW EVIDENCE OF HEALED BITE WOUNDS (JURMAIN, 1997), INCLUDING CANINES EMBEDDED IN THE SKULL (FOSSEY, 1983).  |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 3:14:26 GMT
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 3:19:35 GMT
Gorillas (like bears) are plantigrade, this increases fighting performance, striking and pushing is enhanced: The effect of foot posture on capacity to apply free moments to the ground: Implications for fighting performance in great apes Abstract and Figures In contrast to most other primates, great apes have feet in which the heel supports body weight during standing, walking and running. One possible advantage of this plantigrade foot posture is that it may enhance fighting performance by increasing the ability to apply free moments (i.e. force couples) to the ground. We tested this possibility by measuring performance of human subjects when performing from plantigrade and digitigrade (standing on the ball of the foot and toes) postures. We found that plantigrade posture substantially increased the capacity to apply free moments to the ground and to perform a variety of behaviors that are likely to be important to fighting performance in great apes. As predicted, performance in maximal effort lateral striking and pushing was strongly correlated with free moment magnitude. All else being equal, these results suggest species that can adopt plantigrade posture will be able to apply larger free moments to the ground than species restricted to digitigrade or unguligrade foot posture. Additionally, these results are consistent with the suggestion that selection for physical competition may have been one of the factors that led to the evolution of the derived plantigrade foot posture of great apes.  www.researchgate.net/publication/313784524_The_effect_of_foot_posture_on_capacity_to_apply_free_moments_to_the_ground_Implications_for_fighting_performance_in_great_apes |
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Post by Bison king on Feb 21, 2023 3:27:55 GMT
So, these are the advantages
Tiger:
-speed
-agility
-more aggressive
Cross river gorilla (or any subspecies)
-numbers game, 2 vs 1 in this case
-larger combined weight
-much smarter
-plantigrade
-more stamina
-longer arm span to keep tiger at a distance
-stronger upper body
-more bite force
Yeah guys, the HISTORIC animal, the 2 silverbacks, working together, would burn the striped pussy cat to the ground.
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