Haast's eagle vs American Pitbull Terrier

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[Hardcastle]

A tougher battle for the eagle, anything less than a clean kill upon the initial attack could turn very sour for it. Even what may seem like mortal wounds would be disregarded and the pitbull would still unleash at full capacity. That's why they are so noteworthy as combatants. Basically I think the eagle COULD kill it, but it better.

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I don't see how the pitbull will just shrug of the attacks.

"A robust, large-bodied eagle with proportionally large head, bill, legs and talons. The vulture-like bill was up to 130 mm long, and the thick talons were up to 75 mm long. The wingspan of Haast's eagle was up to 3 m."

nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/haasts-eagle#:~:text=A%20robust%2C%20large%2Dbodied%20eagle,up%20to%2090%20cm%20tall.

"Also like a pet cat, lions have retractable claws. This means that their sharp claws can be stretched out and then drawn back inside again under the fur where they are hidden. They can grow up to 38 millimetres in length and are very strong and sharp."

lionalert.org/lets-look-at-lions/#:~:text=Paws%20and%20claws,-A%20lion's%20paws&text=Also%20like%20a%20pet%20cat,are%20very%20strong%20and%20sharp.

The talons were twice as long as a lion's claws!

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Jan 12, 2023 8:19:32 GMT @ling said:

I don't see how the pitbull will just shrug of the attacks.

"A robust, large-bodied eagle with proportionally large head, bill, legs and talons. The vulture-like bill was up to 130 mm long, and the thick talons were up to 75 mm long. The wingspan of Haast's eagle was up to 3 m."

nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/haasts-eagle#:~:text=A%20robust%2C%20large%2Dbodied%20eagle,up%20to%2090%20cm%20tall.

"Also like a pet cat, lions have retractable claws. This means that their sharp claws can be stretched out and then drawn back inside again under the fur where they are hidden. They can grow up to 38 millimetres in length and are very strong and sharp."

lionalert.org/lets-look-at-lions/#:~:text=Paws%20and%20claws,-A%20lion's%20paws&text=Also%20like%20a%20pet%20cat,are%20very%20strong%20and%20sharp.

The talons were twice as long as a lion's claws!

My grandfather's backyard petbull would shrug that shit off. Lol. Pitbulls have shrugged off getting their skull smashed in with an iron cudgel while at the same timing taking a boar tusk to the eye socket.

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Jan 12, 2023 8:33:25 GMT Bolushi said:

Jan 12, 2023 8:19:32 GMT @ling said:

I don't see how the pitbull will just shrug of the attacks.

"A robust, large-bodied eagle with proportionally large head, bill, legs and talons. The vulture-like bill was up to 130 mm long, and the thick talons were up to 75 mm long. The wingspan of Haast's eagle was up to 3 m."

nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/haasts-eagle#:~:text=A%20robust%2C%20large%2Dbodied%20eagle,up%20to%2090%20cm%20tall.

"Also like a pet cat, lions have retractable claws. This means that their sharp claws can be stretched out and then drawn back inside again under the fur where they are hidden. They can grow up to 38 millimetres in length and are very strong and sharp."

lionalert.org/lets-look-at-lions/#:~:text=Paws%20and%20claws,-A%20lion's%20paws&text=Also%20like%20a%20pet%20cat,are%20very%20strong%20and%20sharp.

The talons were twice as long as a lion's claws!

My grandfather's backyard petbull would shrug that shit off. Lol. Pitbulls have shrugged off getting their skull smashed in with an iron cudgel while at the same timing taking a boar tusk to the eye socket.

*Correction, they were 110 mm long (equivalent to the the length of 3 lion claws.

Anyways, if the Haast's eagle gets the first attack in I think it will win, but if the pitbull gets the first attack in I think it will win.

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Jan 12, 2023 8:43:39 GMT @ling said:

Jan 12, 2023 8:33:25 GMT Bolushi said:

My grandfather's backyard petbull would shrug that shit off. Lol. Pitbulls have shrugged off getting their skull smashed in with an iron cudgel while at the same timing taking a boar tusk to the eye socket.

*Correction, they were 110 mm long (equivalent to the the length of 3 lion claws.

Anyways, if the Haast's eagle gets the first attack in I think it will win, but if the pitbull gets the first attack in I think it will win.

If the eagle ended up on the ground with a mobile pitbull the options are a draw or victory pitbull. The eagle would need to physically make it unable to effectively retaliate. Is it planning on grabbing the pitbull and grappling it after coming down from the air or does it have a worse/better plan?

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Jan 12, 2023 8:46:00 GMT Bolushi said:

Jan 12, 2023 8:43:39 GMT @ling said:

*Correction, they were 110 mm long (equivalent to the the length of 3 lion claws.

Anyways, if the Haast's eagle gets the first attack in I think it will win, but if the pitbull gets the first attack in I think it will win.

If the eagle ended up on the ground with a mobile pitbull the options are a draw or victory pitbull. The eagle would need to physically make it unable to effectively retaliate.

I mean if the eagle latches onto the pitbull, even on the ground, there won't be much the dog can do, I highly doubt that it would let go of its grip.

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Also I love your poll.

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Jan 12, 2023 8:47:53 GMT @ling said:

Jan 12, 2023 8:46:00 GMT Bolushi said:

If the eagle ended up on the ground with a mobile pitbull the options are a draw or victory pitbull. The eagle would need to physically make it unable to effectively retaliate.

I mean if the eagle latches onto the pitbull, even on the ground, there won't be much the dog can do, I highly doubt that it would let go of its grip.

It could grab it by the back of the neck I guess, then it needs to carry it off somehow.
The pitbull would overpower the eagle on the ground, it just needs one bite.

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If the eagle is able to stay off the ground then it could win but if the eagle is on the ground then I think it is done. The eagles claws would cause injuries but I don’t think it would be enough to stop the A.P.B.T, one bite and the eagle could be grounded, don’t forget about the birds fragile build, that fragile build wouldn’t help it if the dog overpowers it either

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[theundertaker45]

I like your comparisons, ling, you are doing a great job. Which programme(s) do you use?

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Jan 12, 2023 9:44:56 GMT theundertaker45 said:

I like your comparisons, ling, you are doing a great job. Which programme(s) do you use?

'Photo Editor Pro - Polish' and 'Background Eraser'

Both mobile apps lol.

You're a lot better at making them, since I rely on the lines present on the graph to make the comparison, while you can make them without - also your size comparisons are just of higher quality.

[Hardcastle]

A startling size comparison for sure.
I maintain what I said- the bird can kill the dog, I have little doubt (and the size comparison pushes that point home). But it better. That caveat remains.

I will also say sizes given for domestic dogs are unlike those for wild animals because they are often "minimums", and sometimes incredibly outdated minimums that you'd never see in real life in the modern day.

For example my mother had a staffordshire bull terrier that was lean and shredded and 19" at the shoulder and 52 lbs. The official size of the breed is 14-16" and 24-38 lbs, but those figures are just from a bygone era and you will be hard pressed to find an actual living staffordshire bull terrier in the 21st century that squeezes into that size guide. 16-19" and 30-55" lbs would be more accurate with living staffordshire bull terriers (certainly here in Australia, different countries may sometimes go different directions). If doing a size comparison with staffordshire bull terriers you'd probably find a pic of a 19" 50 lbs dog and then be scaling it down to be a 15" animal and it wouldn't end up being accurate.

I'm guessing you probably scaled that pitbull to 18 inches or so? Well just know the actual living dog in the photo is PROBABLY closer to 24 inches tall. It's not just fat petbulls that are bigger either, the shoulder heights of some (not that many) actual champion apbts are known and they're nearly always taller than the "17-19 inch" figure given on breed profiles. I'm looking through some now and it's all 21- 22 inches for regular 45 lbsers, the big boys (many greats of pit fighting history were 60-70 lbs) would surely be taller than that.

So ... just putting that out there. Doesn't change my stance that much. "Death from above" is a very real possible outcome here, but the bird will not want to miss like those goldens did on the wolf and dog in those videos. With an apbt there's even less margin for error, where on a wolf or random dog just badly wounding and hurting the dog may be enough to incapacitate it and take the fight out of it, allowing the bird to then improve it's holds and finish the job, with an apbt anything less than a finished kill leaves the dog still well and truly in the fight and very dangerous.

I feel like all this talk about gameness in apbts can seem kind of abstract and not really be a relatable thing applicable to reality, until you actually read the stories of the champions.
The story of Mayday is probably one of the best, easiest to read and also as a bonus demonstrates some of the sizes attained by serious game apbts (not just petbulls - note tant's cody in the story fought at 72 lbs, others 67 etc).

Southern Kennels Gr Ch Mayday ROM

Most importantly makes my point clear- if the dog isn't completely dead, the bird is in trouble.