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Post by s on Sept 25, 2023 17:44:02 GMT
Good video honestly, as it genuinely overwhelmed the dogo in the grapple, but it weighs a lot more. When they weigh the same the dogo actually looks bigger. When they look the same the puma is bigger. When the puma looks significantly bigger like it does here, it is definitely a lot bigger. I got some screens of the best size comparison moments I could-     There should be no doubt that is a very big male, it looks a lot bigger than the dog, and is even "more bigger" than that. I don't mind it at all, because I've always maintained such a puma would win, AND it actually invalidates all the excuses that get made when the dogo dominates. This just shows that if the puma is genuinely better and more powerful, it won't hesitate to dominate and won't be scared of the human presence or have stage fright or whatever else excuses used to be commonly used. When the dogo does win it wins because it is stronger and a better grappler, in this case it was not, and thats a - ok with me. So how long do you believe that Puma was, 70kg? Male Pumas in North Argentina are about 40-50kg. That seemed like a rather large Puma relative to other Pumas of the region so let's assume 50kg against a roughly 40kg Dogo. |
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Post by s on Sept 25, 2023 17:45:15 GMT
This doesn't hold a lot of weight by itself, but I figure it's worth posting here -  Interesting comment. What kind of Puma is 40-50lbs? An 8 month old Cub? Lol |
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Post by Bolushi on Sept 25, 2023 18:07:25 GMT
This doesn't hold a lot of weight by itself, but I figure it's worth posting here - Interesting comment. What kind of Puma is 40-50lbs? An 8 month old Cub? Lol I think he means kgs. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 25, 2023 20:03:08 GMT
It potentially holds a huge amount of weight if it is someone who actually is a hunter with experience. Meanwhile people who simply love cats and know nothing about dogos are the ones providing a purely emotional counter argument. Clearly his argument, grammatical errors and all (and other errors, clearly meant kgs when he said pound), would hold more weight than their argument.
If he is legit... but a lot of what he is saying rings pretty true. I balked at first when he talked about the big experienced puma tarzan, but if you read between the lines he is conceding it did beat dogos, he is just saying there are CERTAIN dogs that could beat EVEN that 60+ kg puma. I think that is a reasonable assertion. He also never said a dog could beat the 70+kg pumas.
He also said its not a "dogo argentino" thing, its other breeds as well, and let me tell you - THAT gives a lot of credibility, because the biggest problem with the dogo, the biggest barrier to getting facts, is the patriotism from local argentinians and the way they sometimes promote dogos as super saiyan pokemons unique in the dog world (which is bullshit). He is not one of those guys, he seems fairly no nonsense. He is not saying dogos are magic, he is saying people have an inflated unrealistic perception of the puma, and I agree.
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Post by s on Sept 25, 2023 21:04:06 GMT
It potentially holds a huge amount of weight if it is someone who actually is a hunter with experience. Meanwhile people who simply love cats and know nothing about dogos are the ones providing a purely emotional counter argument. Clearly his argument, grammatical errors and all (and other errors, clearly meant kgs when he said pound), would hold more weight than their argument. If he is legit... but a lot of what he is saying rings pretty true. I balked at first when he talked about the big experienced puma tarzan, but if you read between the lines he is conceding it did beat dogos, he is just saying there are CERTAIN dogs that could beat EVEN that 60+ kg puma. I think that is a reasonable assertion. He also never said a dog could beat the 70+kg pumas. He also said its not a "dogo argentino" thing, its other breeds as well, and let me tell you - THAT gives a lot of credibility, because the biggest problem with the dogo, the biggest barrier to getting facts, is the patriotism from local argentinians and the way they sometimes promote dogos as super saiyan pokemons unique in the dog world (which is bullshit). He is not one of those guys, he seems fairly no nonsense. He is not saying dogos are magic, he is saying people have an inflated unrealistic perception of the puma, and I agree. Your evidence is surely not that convincing considering Puma is winning the matchup with 80% of the votes in your own forum |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 25, 2023 21:11:45 GMT
It potentially holds a huge amount of weight if it is someone who actually is a hunter with experience. Meanwhile people who simply love cats and know nothing about dogos are the ones providing a purely emotional counter argument. Clearly his argument, grammatical errors and all (and other errors, clearly meant kgs when he said pound), would hold more weight than their argument. If he is legit... but a lot of what he is saying rings pretty true. I balked at first when he talked about the big experienced puma tarzan, but if you read between the lines he is conceding it did beat dogos, he is just saying there are CERTAIN dogs that could beat EVEN that 60+ kg puma. I think that is a reasonable assertion. He also never said a dog could beat the 70+kg pumas. He also said its not a "dogo argentino" thing, its other breeds as well, and let me tell you - THAT gives a lot of credibility, because the biggest problem with the dogo, the biggest barrier to getting facts, is the patriotism from local argentinians and the way they sometimes promote dogos as super saiyan pokemons unique in the dog world (which is bullshit). He is not one of those guys, he seems fairly no nonsense. He is not saying dogos are magic, he is saying people have an inflated unrealistic perception of the puma, and I agree. Your evidence is surely not that convincing considering Puma is winning the matchup with 80% of the votes in your own forum On which of the 87 000 times I have said "people are really really stupid when it comes to this subject" did I stutter? |
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Sept 26, 2023 9:38:16 GMT
It potentially holds a huge amount of weight if it is someone who actually is a hunter with experience. Meanwhile people who simply love cats and know nothing about dogos are the ones providing a purely emotional counter argument. Clearly his argument, grammatical errors and all (and other errors, clearly meant kgs when he said pound), would hold more weight than their argument. If he is legit... but a lot of what he is saying rings pretty true. I balked at first when he talked about the big experienced puma tarzan, but if you read between the lines he is conceding it did beat dogos, he is just saying there are CERTAIN dogs that could beat EVEN that 60+ kg puma. I think that is a reasonable assertion. He also never said a dog could beat the 70+kg pumas. He also said its not a "dogo argentino" thing, its other breeds as well, and let me tell you - THAT gives a lot of credibility, because the biggest problem with the dogo, the biggest barrier to getting facts, is the patriotism from local argentinians and the way they sometimes promote dogos as super saiyan pokemons unique in the dog world (which is bullshit). He is not one of those guys, he seems fairly no nonsense. He is not saying dogos are magic, he is saying people have an inflated unrealistic perception of the puma, and I agree. Your evidence is surely not that convincing considering Puma is winning the matchup with 80% of the votes in your own forum LOL, that's pretty funny. What difference does it make whether it's his forum or not? Besides, voting polls in forums are NOT necessarily ALWAYS indicative of who is right and who is wrong. It's very possible for the vast majority of people to be in ignorance, and it certainly is precedented. You said it yourself, that you were disgusted at the voting polls in the "Jaguar vs Alaskan Moose" thread on Carnivora. Doesn't mean the guys who held the majority of votes were in the right. Animal battles are nothing like politics where the animal that has the higher number of votes automatically becomes the winner because more people decided to just click "Animal X" on their screen. It could be a total mismatch, and yet the animal that actually loses in real life, could have a higher vote count. You know this yourself. |
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Post by s on Sept 26, 2023 11:58:50 GMT
Your evidence is surely not that convincing considering Puma is winning the matchup with 80% of the votes in your own forum LOL, that's pretty funny. What difference does it make whether it's his forum or not? Besides, voting polls in forums are NOT necessarily ALWAYS indicative of who is right and who is wrong. It's very possible for the vast majority of people to be in ignorance, and it certainly is precedented. You said it yourself, that you were disgusted at the voting polls in the "Jaguar vs Alaskan Moose" thread on Carnivora. Doesn't mean the guys who held the majority of votes were in the right. Animal battles are nothing like politics where the animal that has the higher number of votes automatically becomes the winner because more people decided to just click "Animal X" on their screen. It could be a total mismatch, and yet the animal that actually loses in real life, could have a higher vote count. You know this yourself. Im not being completely serious and i actually agree with your whole message. In that having the most votes /=/ being correct and favoured over your opponent, just look at all the horrible rulers that won elections, im simply mocking Dale's hypocrisy a bit, when Jagdterrier beated Bobcat on the Carnivora poll (i favour Jagdterrier myself btw) he went "SEE, EVEN BIASED CARNIVORA FANS GIVE UP AND ADMIT JAGDTERRIER WINS ON THEIR OWN FORUM!" as if it meant anything while when Puma has won here he claims that many votes are misinformed, he is not wrong on that. But still doesn't excuse the hypocrisy |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 26, 2023 12:10:19 GMT
Interesting take. I will meditate on that.
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Post by PumAcinonyx SuperCat on Sept 26, 2023 12:16:10 GMT
LOL, that's pretty funny. What difference does it make whether it's his forum or not? Besides, voting polls in forums are NOT necessarily ALWAYS indicative of who is right and who is wrong. It's very possible for the vast majority of people to be in ignorance, and it certainly is precedented. You said it yourself, that you were disgusted at the voting polls in the "Jaguar vs Alaskan Moose" thread on Carnivora. Doesn't mean the guys who held the majority of votes were in the right. Animal battles are nothing like politics where the animal that has the higher number of votes automatically becomes the winner because more people decided to just click "Animal X" on their screen. It could be a total mismatch, and yet the animal that actually loses in real life, could have a higher vote count. You know this yourself. Im not being completely serious and i actually agree with your whole message. In that having the most votes /=/ being correct and favoured over your opponent, just look at all the horrible rulers that won elections, im simply mocking Dale's hypocrisy a bit, when Jagdterrier beated Bobcat on the Carnivora poll (i favour Jagdterrier myself btw) he went "SEE, EVEN BIASED CARNIVORA FANS GIVE UP AND ADMIT JAGDTERRIER WINS ON THEIR OWN FORUM!" as if it meant anything while when Puma has won here he claims that many votes are misinformed, he is not wrong on that. But still doesn't excuse the hypocrisy Oh, so you're upset with the hypocrisy... I get where you're coming from now. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 26, 2023 12:16:19 GMT
What if I told you carnivora and FoodChain and bestiary and earth are just all overloaded with biased cat fans and also it's actually human nature to underestimate dogs. They intentionally persuaded us to underestimate them and not care when they snuck into our camps 30 000 years ago. Many primitive minds still hold that mentality and that's just simply what dog supporters are dealing with. We aren't wrong, we are illuminated and enlightened, but yes we are rare.
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Post by s on Sept 26, 2023 12:22:27 GMT
carnivora.net/viewtopic.php?p=84344#p84344Im not being completely serious and i actually agree with your whole message. In that having the most votes /=/ being correct and favoured over your opponent, just look at all the horrible rulers that won elections, im simply mocking Dale's hypocrisy a bit, when Jagdterrier beated Bobcat on the Carnivora poll (i favour Jagdterrier myself btw) he went "SEE, EVEN BIASED CARNIVORA FANS GIVE UP AND ADMIT JAGDTERRIER WINS ON THEIR OWN FORUM!" as if it meant anything while when Puma has won here he claims that many votes are misinformed, he is not wrong on that. But still doesn't excuse the hypocrisy Oh, so you're upset with the hypocrisy... I get where you're coming from now. Yeah, the truth is that both Jagdterrier winning on Carnivora and Puma winning here mean rather little. Using little internet polls in which a lot of people that aren't that knowledgeable (on both sides) vote to get a point across is stupid. |
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Post by s on Sept 26, 2023 12:24:51 GMT
What if I told you carnivora and FoodChain and bestiary and earth are just all overloaded with biased cat fans and also it's actually human nature to underestimate dogs. They intentionally persuaded us to underestimate them and not care when they snuck into our camps 30 000 years ago. Many primitive minds still hold that mentality and that's just simply what dog supporters are dealing with. We aren't wrong, we are illuminated and enlightened, but yes we are rare. Don't act like you aren't biased yourself, we are all biased to varying degrees. I myself admit im biased as well. You are also wrong on the "Dogs wanted us to underestimate them so we let them sleep in our backyards", that was Cats, domestication of Cats was less "official domestication" like in the case of dogs and more "Cat kills the mice. We let him sleep on the backyard" Cats were the one that "snuck into our camps", dog domestication was more intentional |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 26, 2023 12:36:27 GMT
What if I told you carnivora and FoodChain and bestiary and earth are just all overloaded with biased cat fans and also it's actually human nature to underestimate dogs. They intentionally persuaded us to underestimate them and not care when they snuck into our camps 30 000 years ago. Many primitive minds still hold that mentality and that's just simply what dog supporters are dealing with. We aren't wrong, we are illuminated and enlightened, but yes we are rare. Don't act like you aren't biased yourself, we are all biased to varying degrees. I myself admit im biased as well. You are also wrong on the "Dogs wanted us to underestimate them so we let them sleep in our backyards", that was Cats, domestication of Cats was less "official domestication" like in the case of dogs and more "Cat kills the mice. We let him sleep on the backyard" Cats were the one that "snuck into our camps", dog domestication was more intentional Totally wrong. That's an extremely out-dated perspective that has been debunked by the leading canine biologist Dr Raymond Coppinger. Dog domestication was entirely unintentional, in fact humans were unwilling participants in the relationship for over 15 000 years. |
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Post by s on Sept 26, 2023 12:36:52 GMT
Getting a Wolf into your camp was surely much more intentional than getting a Cat into your Camp.
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