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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 3, 2023 13:34:59 GMT
This is what Dale said I agree with everything he said here, everything. So no need to say he downgrades leopards , he even has my same opinion nearly on the Smuts case, with never lost he means never getting killed, he got beaten and torn open badly but was never killed. Lol, Dale does NOT downgrade them, he literally fought me when defending his thesis of the circus leopard killing TWO big german boarhounds in a SINGLE fight. I literally still see that as scientifically impossible to have happened but he still defends that case, and Dale defended it. Dale does not downgrade cats, he has a different way to how he sees fights. Sure everyone agrees that a 65-70 kg leopard/cougar still slaughter and kill with a skull/neck bite a smallish 40-45 kg dogo. But it won't be easy, the dogo is nasty to deal with. Sure there's individual variation, some dogos will get instantly subdued and killed by exceptionally strong and powerful cats, others will have a struggle and the cat will of course still kill the dog, but way more difficulty. Results vary "It never lost, in that it was never killed or even badly wounded in a way that put it out of action or required medical treatment" I was referring to it. Disagree on the "never put out of action" part tbf. I think he needed (and received) some rest. Would be reckless to let him go in another "adventure" while already being severely injured. I don't think he was "severely" injured. He was torn, meaning his skin was ripped up. That's not a concern and no I don't think it would have interupted the hunting trip. In roosevelt's accounts a 35 lbs female bulldog gets bitten through the skull by a giant male puma, narrowly missing the brain and it kept fighting. Only showed signs of limping and being sorry for itself (and having its head swell massively) after the puma was killed (shot). He specifically says, to his surprise, it was fine the next morning and ready to hunt again. Smut was never injured anything like that (until the end, by a boar). BTW that bulldog is also specifically described as not very good (which personally I think is a bit harsh). Smut was legendarily great, and weighed nearly 4 times as much. |
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Post by s on Dec 3, 2023 14:13:40 GMT
"It never lost, in that it was never killed or even badly wounded in a way that put it out of action or required medical treatment" I was referring to it. Disagree on the "never put out of action" part tbf. I think he needed (and received) some rest. Would be reckless to let him go in another "adventure" while already being severely injured. I don't think he was "severely" injured. He was torn, meaning his skin was ripped up. That's not a concern and no I don't think it would have interupted the hunting trip. In roosevelt's accounts a 35 lbs female bulldog gets bitten through the skull by a giant male puma, narrowly missing the brain and it kept fighting. Only showed signs of limping and being sorry for itself (and having its head swell massively) after the puma was killed (shot). He specifically says, to his surprise, it was fine the next morning and ready to hunt again. Smut was never injured anything like that (until the end, by a boar). BTW that bulldog is also specifically described as not very good (which personally I think is a bit harsh). Smut was legendarily great, and weighed nearly 4 times as much. It would still be reckless ownership to let your already tored up Dog go in another trip. Equivalent would be sending a severely, but not mortally injured Soldier back to the front just a day after being shot. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 3, 2023 15:32:16 GMT
All good working dogs have reckless owners. Let that be understood under no uncertain terms.
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Post by s on Dec 9, 2023 10:39:08 GMT
With "going horribly" i mean the Dogo being killed by the 65-70kg Puma without much difficulty. Despite the odds a very experienced Dogo would offer resistance for a while and put up a fight but inevitably be overwhelmed very shortly after I just don't see what the "lack of difficulty", specifically, is based on. Especially if you want to talk about the best dogs. All dog breeds and all dog types are littered with duds, even fodder you could say, but the exceptional individuals have showcased over and over and over again that they are tremendous fighters to a level that is rare in the animal kingdom of earth. You misunderstand my argument. "Without much difficulty" doesn't mean easy. It simply means without extreme difficulty |
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