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Post by s on Sept 17, 2023 14:25:04 GMT
Thought of replacing O'Halloran with Dogo Argentino, but that's probably not enough so let's do O'Halloran
Pretty solid team i would say. O'Halloran is meant to be the real muscle, Boergreyhound is meant to chase after the Puma and act as a support role, and Dogal is somewhere in between.
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Post by Bolushi on Sept 17, 2023 15:48:38 GMT
Yeah this is a pretty good team, but the puma would outmuscle all 3 dogs. Boergrey and Dogal make first contact where they end up outgrappled and one of them dies while the O'Halloran tries to fight the puma but the puma turns around and outgrapples the O'Halloran and kills it.
This is an excellent team for regular pumas you might come across, but because of how good cats are at fighting they can kill multiple opponents that walk right into them fairly easily.
The Boergrey would look at the situation, maybe dart in for a nip and go "oh hell no".
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Post by s on Sept 17, 2023 16:52:48 GMT
Yeah this is a pretty good team, but the puma would outmuscle all 3 dogs. Boergrey and Dogal make first contact where they end up outgrappled and one of them dies while the O'Halloran tries to fight the puma but the puma turns around and outgrapples the O'Halloran and kills it. This is an excellent team for regular pumas you might come across, but because of how good cats are at fighting they can kill multiple opponents that walk right into them fairly easily. The Boergrey would look at the situation, maybe dart in for a nip and go " oh hell no". If you could pick 3 Dog breeds for the job of the 105kg Puma, which ones would you pick? |
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Post by Bolushi on Sept 17, 2023 19:49:09 GMT
Yeah this is a pretty good team, but the puma would outmuscle all 3 dogs. Boergrey and Dogal make first contact where they end up outgrappled and one of them dies while the O'Halloran tries to fight the puma but the puma turns around and outgrapples the O'Halloran and kills it. This is an excellent team for regular pumas you might come across, but because of how good cats are at fighting they can kill multiple opponents that walk right into them fairly easily. The Boergrey would look at the situation, maybe dart in for a nip and go " oh hell no". If you could pick 3 Dog breeds for the job of the 105kg Puma, which ones would you pick? I'd prefer 4 since 3 is a little limiting and might just not be possible, but - Kelpie, blue heeler and a pitbull |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Sept 17, 2023 19:56:46 GMT
Yeah this is a pretty good team, but the puma would outmuscle all 3 dogs. Boergrey and Dogal make first contact where they end up outgrappled and one of them dies while the O'Halloran tries to fight the puma but the puma turns around and outgrapples the O'Halloran and kills it. This is an excellent team for regular pumas you might come across, but because of how good cats are at fighting they can kill multiple opponents that walk right into them fairly easily. The Boergrey would look at the situation, maybe dart in for a nip and go " oh hell no". I would have never expected to see you saying this . |
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Post by Bolushi on Sept 17, 2023 22:15:09 GMT
Yeah this is a pretty good team, but the puma would outmuscle all 3 dogs. Boergrey and Dogal make first contact where they end up outgrappled and one of them dies while the O'Halloran tries to fight the puma but the puma turns around and outgrapples the O'Halloran and kills it. This is an excellent team for regular pumas you might come across, but because of how good cats are at fighting they can kill multiple opponents that walk right into them fairly easily. The Boergrey would look at the situation, maybe dart in for a nip and go " oh hell no". I would have never expected to see you saying this . Don't know what was going through my head when I wrote that, loool. I think what I was trying to say is that because of how good cats are at killing things they have a good power advantage over, they can kill multiple opponents at once even if they are not superior on paper to all of those opponents combined. My reputation is ruined, I've blown my cover. I was a cat fan all along, time to delete my account and start over. |
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Post by s on Sept 18, 2023 8:32:26 GMT
If you could pick 3 Dog breeds for the job of the 105kg Puma, which ones would you pick? I'd prefer 4 since 3 is a little limiting and might just not be possible, but - Kelpie, blue heeler and a pitbull What do you think would happen in the fight between the 105kg Puma and the Pitbull + blue heeler + Kelpie pack? |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Sept 18, 2023 8:37:17 GMT
I would have never expected to see you saying this . Don't know what was going through my head when I wrote that, loool. I think what I was trying to say is that because of how good cats are at killing things they have a good power advantage over, they can kill multiple opponents at once even if they are not superior on paper to all of those opponents combined. My reputation is ruined, I've blown my cover. I was a cat fan all along, time to delete my account and start over. I mean you said nothing wrong to be fair. Cats are among the best fighters, what makes them rank as the worst to your eyes is their total aversion to doing that because of their self preservation. I agree that despite all cats using long story short the same techniques some can be shit because of gracile bauplans (cheetahs, lynxes, bobcats, small cats etc) but regarding some big cats they have displayed very impressive defensive feats even at parity (sometimes despite even being shot or wounded) against formidable boarhounds by either badly beating or defeating them . I think we rank animals too much on what they find good or not for their daily life agenda. If a leopard/cougar is formidable and can display (despite it being its worst nightmare) a very deadly defense and defeat opponents that, on the contrary, love fighting, it doesn't really matter if they will never want to do it on the first place. If they defeat and are formidable, they are good fighters, more like good defenders probably. Myself I am someone that loves fighting because I had a boxing course but out of the ring I hate doing that. Not because I could get a fine or arrested (it's easy to go from victim to aggressor here) but because of the risks I can go into such as stabbing etc - since it's a street fight with no rules and anything can happen and I actually CARE about my skin. But still, not to be arrogant, but the average street person dies in a fight against me, just because I'd avoid most of the time a fight and just walk away it doesn't mean I'm a shit fighter. No, if I go serious into it and there's hopefully no stabbing or shooting taking place, I'll defeat most of the people I see everyday. This is my overall take on this |
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Post by s on Sept 18, 2023 8:53:22 GMT
Don't know what was going through my head when I wrote that, loool. I think what I was trying to say is that because of how good cats are at killing things they have a good power advantage over, they can kill multiple opponents at once even if they are not superior on paper to all of those opponents combined. My reputation is ruined, I've blown my cover. I was a cat fan all along, time to delete my account and start over. I mean you said nothing wrong to be fair. Cats are among the best fighters, what makes them rank as the worst to your eyes is their total aversion to doing that because of their self preservation. I agree that despite all cats using long story short the same techniques some can be shit because of gracile bauplans (cheetahs, lynxes, bobcats, small cats etc) but regarding some big cats they have displayed very impressive defensive feats even at parity (sometimes despite even being shot or wounded) against formidable boarhounds by either badly beating or defeating them . I think we rank animals too much on what they find good or not for their daily life agenda. If a leopard/cougar is formidable and can display (despite it being its worst nightmare) a very deadly defense and defeat opponents that, on the contrary, love fighting, it doesn't really matter if they will never want to do it on the first place. If they defeat and are formidable, they are good fighters, more like good defenders probably. Myself I am someone that loves fighting because I had a boxing course but out of the ring I hate doing that. Not because I could get a fine or arrested (it's easy to go from victim to aggressor here) but because of the risks I can go into such as stabbing etc - since it's a street fight with no rules and anything can happen and I actually CARE about my skin. But still, not to be arrogant, but the average street person dies in a fight against me, just because I'd avoid most of the time a fight and just walk away it doesn't mean I'm a shit fighter. No, if I go serious into it and there's hopefully no stabbing or shooting taking place, I'll defeat most of the people I see everyday. This is my overall take on this This is mine, calling Wild Predators "cowards" for being cautious and just having self-preservation and them knowing that blindly attacking could end with a substantial injury, that can make him unable to hunt for a while or even be at risk of dying is extremely ignorant. Unlike Domestic Dogs who have vets and thus can take larger risks   |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 18, 2023 9:50:00 GMT
You guys really don't understand the point about scrutinising cats for their aversion to fighting. You don't understand the evolutionary implications of being that way inclined, and you merely get emotionally defensive when they are "judged" for their self-preservation.
It is not about judging them for being risk averse, of course that is the smartest way to be for them, and its purely cold logic that made them that way. It makes total sense and they are totally "forgiven" for being that way.
But you need to understand that if your biology dictates for you to be risk averse, it does impact your capability to flourish in risky scenarios. When a cat is being risk averse, it is not logically thinking to itself that it doesn't want to risk being hurt because then it might be compromised hunting next week or whatever, that would make cats smarter than most human beings. It is not true. They are encouraged to be risk averse by blind instincts that work by making them experience negative emotions when a risky situation arises. They get tense and experience feelings of dread and panic and discomfort, that is the biological machination that encourages them to run away and hide. Same as us, if you've ever been in a dangerous situation you will have felt that fear and panic and unease, sweatty palms and gulping and wanting to get away from the situation. That is self preservation instinct at work, and it works the same in us and cats. Even we aren't really smart enough to be like "well see I could kick that guys ass, but I calmly choose not to because when I weigh up the options and the possible outcomes its just not worth it". Some people might do that, but mostly it is more just a negative feeling directing them to flee the situation. Usually if a guy does rationalise it out he's actually just coping and trying to justify his own fear. Cats have no reason to do that, can't do that, don't have the cognitive capacity or the use of language in their mind, but also have no reason to be ashamed or think of an excuse. They just feel the primal fear and respond.
The downside is that being flooded with these kinds of empotions is not optimal for fight success. And that is the PRECISE reason WHY fighting dogs have diminished self preservation. If they could fight just as well while flooded with negative feelings and dread and wanting to escape the fight, they would still have strong self preservation, but the reality all sportsmen know about any form of competition is you perform better if you are filled with confidence and self belief, if you are focussed only on winning and see no other outcome and look forward to the contest because you "know" you will win, THAT is when you perform at your best. That is why all boxers and all other athletes tend to brag and be cocky and trash talk their opponent before the fight and etc, they're not like "gee... I dunno, I might lose... and what if I get hurt? *gulp*", with that attitude they won't win. So that is why fighting dogs have been developed to have full confidence and unwavering self belief, because that gets optimal results.
The wild cat doesn't prioritise winning, it prioritises survival, so it is flooded with negative feelings and doubt, things that make it a worse fighter, because it is more important that it just avoids the hazardous risky confrontation.
This naturally still doesn't bode well for it in a hypothetical scenario where it can't escape, all those negative hormones and feelings and doubts screaming at it to get out of there, sabotage its performance in the fight. Especially when compared to the other guy who is relaxed and happy to be there and has full self belief. That goes a long way.
The other thing is, millions and millions of years of evolving where it is favoured that you avoid risky hazardous confrontations, that naturally makes your ability to endure slugging it out in that risky hazardous activity diminish. You don't practice it, so you lose the attributes that are useful in that activity. This is why cats have diminished stamina. It doesn't benefit them to have low stamina, but its a sacrifice they naturally made by avoiding prolonged dangerous struggling with risky opponents where it could easily go either way. They've instead just fled from those situations, and then over time their stamina withered in response to no longer being needed in the day to day life of a wild cat. This applies to many other unseen attributes as well.
In the end, embroiled in risky fight with a dangerous opponent where they don't have an inherit advantage (say by ambushing a vulnerable animal), they are attacked by their own biology telling them this isn't what they are supposed to be doing, and their performance is lower than one would expect. In addition their faltering stamina only increases and magnifies their doubt and panic and they perform worse and worse. The bad performance is how their biology discourages them from doing it. If they liked it and did well they would do, get injured, and then struggle to hunt and die. So they are discouraged by their biology and the way that is accomplished is by making them bad at it. Their body is flooded with debilitating lactic acid and their mind races and panics and they lose all composure and are just a textbook "bad fighter" in that scenario, if you know anything about fighting.
However, we are also talking about one of the deadliest animals in the history of the world, and SOME of that naturally translates while they are desperately defending themselves and panicking to ward off their assailant. We are talking about an animal with sharp claws, big sharp teeth, extreme killing ability, extremely good reflexes and explosive power and acrobatic agility and etc, so yes... this is where things start coming back together and animals fighting them are at risk of being killed.
But you can't just ignore the diminished fighting ability, that is failing to understand the animal. All the excuses in the world don't change the reality that it has actively diminished fighting ability, in body and mind, carefully honed by its evolution to discourage it from being a reckless fight-happy animal. It is made risk averse for all the right reasons, but the way this is accomplished is genuinely through diminished fighting ability. Cats fans will always want to gloss over this and ignore it or reject it, but it is the truth.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Sept 18, 2023 9:58:06 GMT
I mean you said nothing wrong to be fair. Cats are among the best fighters, what makes them rank as the worst to your eyes is their total aversion to doing that because of their self preservation. I agree that despite all cats using long story short the same techniques some can be shit because of gracile bauplans (cheetahs, lynxes, bobcats, small cats etc) but regarding some big cats they have displayed very impressive defensive feats even at parity (sometimes despite even being shot or wounded) against formidable boarhounds by either badly beating or defeating them . I think we rank animals too much on what they find good or not for their daily life agenda. If a leopard/cougar is formidable and can display (despite it being its worst nightmare) a very deadly defense and defeat opponents that, on the contrary, love fighting, it doesn't really matter if they will never want to do it on the first place. If they defeat and are formidable, they are good fighters, more like good defenders probably. Myself I am someone that loves fighting because I had a boxing course but out of the ring I hate doing that. Not because I could get a fine or arrested (it's easy to go from victim to aggressor here) but because of the risks I can go into such as stabbing etc - since it's a street fight with no rules and anything can happen and I actually CARE about my skin. But still, not to be arrogant, but the average street person dies in a fight against me, just because I'd avoid most of the time a fight and just walk away it doesn't mean I'm a shit fighter. No, if I go serious into it and there's hopefully no stabbing or shooting taking place, I'll defeat most of the people I see everyday. This is my overall take on this This is mine, calling Wild Predators "cowards" for being cautious and just having self-preservation and them knowing that blindly attacking could end with a substantial injury, that can make him unable to hunt for a while or even be at risk of dying is extremely ignorant. Unlike Domestic Dogs who have vets and thus can take larger risks I absolutely agree but also disagree on the vet part, a dog doesn't know it will be taken to a vet, a dog runs into the wild predator (no matter if it will die in the attempt) because it's designed to be doing that without caring about injuries or even death. It's bred to show no self preservation or fear. It just doesn't care, if it will die it will die in the attempt. Long story short, Dale has a point in claiming that some human emotions are the same as animal emotions, the animal coward is logically the same as the human coward (fearful). BUT. There's still a big difference between a cowardly animal and a cowardly human, and all of this is in how we humans perceive both. We are humanising them too much, we humans are biased and describe everything based on our society-ideals' take. To us, men especially, running from a confrontation is bad and therefore coward. Because we as humans glorify courage and self-sacrifice. A man must ve courageous, defend his woman and be a fearless fighter ready to fight everyone that causes danger. Wild animals simply don't give a whole liquid shit about these ideals, if they ever could talk they'd make fun of us and call us the retards we actually are. "uh lol you put suicidal thoughts in front of self-preservation? Do you think we actually care about this shit? Our goal is to SURVIVE to spread out genes, you think I'm going to risk injuries for an useless fight I might win which would give me nothing but potential injuries? Fuck it lol, you guys are sickos lovers of courage, I choose smartness and survival." This is what a wild predator would think about us . |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Sept 18, 2023 10:00:33 GMT
You guys really don't understand the point about scrutinising cats for their aversion to fighting. You don't understand the evolutionary implications of being that way inclined, and you merely get emotionally defensive when they are "judged" for their self-preservation. It is not about judging them for being risk averse, of course that is the smartest way to be for them, and its purely cold logic that made them that way. It makes total sense and they are totally "forgiven" for being that way. But you need to understand that if your biology dictates for you to be risk averse, it does impact your capability to flourish in risky scenarios. When a cat is being risk averse, it is not logically thinking to itself that it doesn't want to risk being hurt because then it might be compromised hunting next week or whatever, that would make cats smarter than most human beings. It is not true. They are encouraged to be risk averse by blind instincts that work by making them experience negative emotions when a risky situation arises. They get tense and experience feelings of dread and panic and discomfort, that is the biological machination that encourages them to run away and hide. Same as us, if you've ever been in a dangerous situation you will have felt that fear and panic and unease, sweatty palms and gulping and wanting to get away from the situation. That is self preservation instinct at work, and it works the same in us and cats. Even we aren't really smart enough to be like "well see I could kick that guys ass, but I calmly choose not to because when I weigh up the options and the possible outcomes its just not worth it". Some people might do that, but mostly it is more just a negative feeling directing them to flee the situation. Usually if a guy does rationalise it out he's actually just coping and trying to justify his own fear. Cats have no reason to do that, can't do that, don't have the cognitive capacity or the use of language in their mind, but also have no reason to be ashamed or think of an excuse. They just feel the primal fear and respond. The downside is that being flooded with these kinds of empotions is not optimal for fight success. And that is the PRECISE reason WHY fighting dogs have diminished self preservation. If they could fight just as well while flooded with negative feelings and dread and wanting to escape the fight, they would still have strong self preservation, but the reality all sportsmen know about any form of competition is you perform better if you are filled with confidence and self belief, if you are focussed only on winning and see no other outcome and look forward to the contest because you "know" you will win, THAT is when you perform at your best. That is why all boxers and all other athletes tend to brag and be cocky and trash talk their opponent before the fight and etc, they're not like "gee... I dunno, I might lose... and what if I get hurt? *gulp*", with that attitude they won't win. So that is why fighting dogs have been developed to have full confidence and unwavering self belief, because that gets optimal results. The wild cat doesn't prioritise winning, it prioritises survival, so it is flooded with negative feelings and doubt, things that make it a worse fighter, because it is more important that it just avoids the hazardous risky confrontation. This naturally still doesn't bode well for it in a hypothetical scenario where it can't escape, all those negative hormones and feelings and doubts screaming at it to get out of there, sabotage its performance in the fight. Especially when compared to the other guy who is relaxed and happy to be there and has full self belief. That goes a long way. The other thing is, millions and millions of years of evolving where it is favoured that you avoid risky hazardous confrontations, that naturally makes your ability to endure slugging it out in that risky hazardous activity diminish. You don't practice it, so you lose the attributes that are useful in that activity. This is why cats have diminished stamina. It doesn't benefit them to have low stamina, but its a sacrifice they naturally made by avoiding prolonged dangerous struggling with risky opponents where it could easily go either way. They've instead just fled from those situations, and then over time their stamina withered in response to no longer being needed in the day to day life of a wild cat. This applies to many other unseen attributes as well. In the end, embroiled in risky fight with a dangerous opponent where they don't have an inherit advantage (say by ambushing a vulnerable animal), they are attacked by their own biology telling them this isn't what they are supposed to be doing, and their performance is lower than one would expect. In addition their faltering stamina only increases and magnifies their doubt and panic and they perform worse and worse. The bad performance is how their biology discourages them from doing it. If they liked it and did well they would do, get injured, and then struggle to hunt and die. So they are discouraged by their biology and the way that is accomplished is by making them bad at it. Their body is flooded with debilitating lactic acid and their mind races and panics and they lose all composure and are just a textbook "bad fighter" in that scenario, if you know anything about fighting. However, we are also talking about one of the deadliest animals in the history of the world, and SOME of that naturally translates while they are desperately defending themselves and panicking to ward off their assailant. We are talking about an animal with sharp claws, big sharp teeth, extreme killing ability, extremely good reflexes and explosive power and acrobatic agility and etc, so yes... this is where things start coming back together and animals fighting them are at risk of being killed. But you can't just ignore the diminished fighting ability, that is failing to understand the animal. All the excuses in the world don't change the reality that it has actively diminished fighting ability, in body and mind, carefully honed by its evolution to discourage it from being a reckless fight-happy animal. It is made risk averse for all the right reasons, but the way this is accomplished is genuinely through diminished fighting ability. Cats fans will always want to gloss over this and ignore it or reject it, but it is the truth. I didn't even see this and replied making a summary of what you've said, Dale stop looking at my mind it's creepy. Love how we both used the "survival" thing |
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Post by Hardcastle on Sept 18, 2023 10:51:40 GMT
This is mine, calling Wild Predators "cowards" for being cautious and just having self-preservation and them knowing that blindly attacking could end with a substantial injury, that can make him unable to hunt for a while or even be at risk of dying is extremely ignorant. Unlike Domestic Dogs who have vets and thus can take larger risks I absolutely agree but also disagree on the vet part, a dog doesn't know it will be taken to a vet, a dog runs into the wild predator (no matter if it will die in the attempt) because it's designed to be doing that without caring about injuries or even death. It's bred to show no self preservation or fear. It just doesn't care, if it will die it will die in the attempt. Long story short, Dale has a point in claiming that some human emotions are the same as animal emotions, the animal coward is logically the same as the human coward (fearful). BUT. There's still a big difference between a cowardly animal and a cowardly human, and all of this is in how we humans perceive both. We are humanising them too much, we humans are biased and describe everything based on our society-ideals' take. To us, men especially, running from a confrontation is bad and therefore coward. Because we as humans glorify courage and self-sacrifice. A man must ve courageous, defend his woman and be a fearless fighter ready to fight everyone that causes danger. Wild animals simply don't give a whole liquid shit about these ideals, if they ever could talk they'd make fun of us and call us the retards we actually are. "uh lol you put suicidal thoughts in front of self-preservation? Do you think we actually care about this shit? Our goal is to SURVIVE to spread out genes, you think I'm going to risk injuries for an useless fight I might win which would give me nothing but potential injuries? Fuck it lol, you guys are sickos lovers of courage, I choose smartness and survival." This is what a wild predator would think about us . Humanising or anthropomorphising animals can be a problem, but I also think we can often go too far in acting like they are totally different when they aren't. We are animals, and we are mammals. We are biological machines that work pretty similar in many fundamental ways to how a puma works. Especially when talking about primal instincts like self preservation. Where we differ is "cultural", and that is the taboo and shame involved with being a "coward" in human society. Obviously pumas have none of that, and it doesn't make sense for us to laugh and sneer at them for being cowards because they never got the memo that it isn't cool. However, we go too far when we act like their "cowardice" is totally different to ours, in regards to what is being experienced by the animal. It is the same. When a wild cat is being risk averse, it is experiencing fear the same way we experience fear. There's this common mischaracterisation that because the reason they are risk averse is because it is smart for their survival, then the cat is actually cool as a cucumber when it runs away and hides up a tree, it is just logically deciding it is not worth risking being injured. No, that is not true, it is filled with fear and dread and panic the same way we are when we are scared and trying to avoid a risky situation. That is how the message gets through to a mammal. Its not all cool and calm and composed when under duress and just deciding smartly to make a tactical retreat. That is not how they work. Its scared and that is why it is fleeing. Its just the same as us, only difference is we criticise and judge eachother for letting self preservation take over, we pride ourselves on suppressing self preservation and being brave. They don't. But we all experience emotions the same, that is the primal animal part of us. Thinking about the reasons behind the emotions, that is uniquely human, but feeling the emotions and responding to them is primal and animalistic. Too often people get that backwards, they imagine the simple animal thinking about the rational reason to be risk averse, and assume it is not feeling emotions. Its the opposite, it is only feeling the fear and dread and panic, and is not thinking about why at all. |
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Post by Bolushi on Sept 18, 2023 12:06:33 GMT
I'd prefer 4 since 3 is a little limiting and might just not be possible, but - Kelpie, blue heeler and a pitbull What do you think would happen in the fight between the 105kg Puma and the Pitbull + blue heeler + Kelpie pack? They would be nipping and harassing the cat, heeler would keep forcing it to turn, and once they have toyed with the cat for many hours the cat can't resist the pitbull lugging it. |
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Post by s on Sept 18, 2023 12:47:23 GMT
This is mine, calling Wild Predators "cowards" for being cautious and just having self-preservation and them knowing that blindly attacking could end with a substantial injury, that can make him unable to hunt for a while or even be at risk of dying is extremely ignorant. Unlike Domestic Dogs who have vets and thus can take larger risks I absolutely agree but also disagree on the vet part, a dog doesn't know it will be taken to a vet, a dog runs into the wild predator (no matter if it will die in the attempt) because it's designed to be doing that without caring about injuries or even death. It's bred to show no self preservation or fear. It just doesn't care, if it will die it will die in the attempt. Long story short, Dale has a point in claiming that some human emotions are the same as animal emotions, the animal coward is logically the same as the human coward (fearful). BUT. There's still a big difference between a cowardly animal and a cowardly human, and all of this is in how we humans perceive both. We are humanising them too much, we humans are biased and describe everything based on our society-ideals' take. To us, men especially, running from a confrontation is bad and therefore coward. Because we as humans glorify courage and self-sacrifice. A man must ve courageous, defend his woman and be a fearless fighter ready to fight everyone that causes danger. Wild animals simply don't give a whole liquid shit about these ideals, if they ever could talk they'd make fun of us and call us the retards we actually are. "uh lol you put suicidal thoughts in front of self-preservation? Do you think we actually care about this shit? Our goal is to SURVIVE to spread out genes, you think I'm going to risk injuries for an useless fight I might win which would give me nothing but potential injuries? Fuck it lol, you guys are sickos lovers of courage, I choose smartness and survival." This is what a wild predator would think about us . Sorry for the possible confussion about the vet part, a Dog doesn't know he is going to the Vet, but because the Veterinary can take care of his wounds after a fight he loses badly he has much more room for error. Pitbulls for instance were intentionally bred to have as little self-preservation instinct as possible so that they would have the amazing idea of charging at a Bull for no reason other than entertainment. |
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