Max size (105kg) Puma Vs Dogal, Boergreyhound and O'Halloran

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Sept 20, 2023 11:24:41 GMT Hardcastle said:

Being brave and loving fighting was the best way for a bulldog to successfully breed going through its history, so they are rewarded with joy and satisfaction and euphoria when they fight.

"Gameness also seems to include a genetically based insensitivity to pain; the dogs will battle on despite severe injuries, and are abnormally sensitive to anaesthetics – suggesting, perhaps, a deranged brain endorphin system."

"The ultimate aim of those who breed fighting dogs is a “dead game” dog, meaning an animal that will, while in the heat of Battle, continue to struggle towards it's opponent when called upon to cross the pit while dying of heat exhaustion, in shock, with broken legs, internal injuries, crushed nasal cavities or other conditions which cause it's death in the pit or within a few hours after the fight"

"Here are some of the things im looking for when i'm testing a Dog for gameness:"

"1 - a game dog always thinks he is winning even when he's losing. He enjoys the fight and has a confident look on his face. He always keeps trying to win"
"2 - when a game dog is taken to his corner, there is no doubt that he's going to scratch, he is always looking at his opponent and trying to get at him"
"3 - he scratches straight and hard, without hesitation"
"4 - he will stay in holds if he can"

Bulldog fan logic:

Ambushing to prevent the prey from escaping and to avoid a potentially crippling unnecesary injury = BAD AND COWARD

Whatever this is = GOOD, BRAVE, NATURAL

No wonder why "Gameness" isn't present in nature, considering it would almost instantly lead to the species with the "Gameness" going extinct. Makes the brain deranged and irrational, and that's precisely why Humans selectively bred Bulldogs for "Gameness". It isn't natural

[Hardcastle]

Bulldog fan logic is simply a desire to win. "Whatever that is" exists only because it increases a bulldog's chances of winning. No one cares if it seems "natural", no one cares if it strikes them as good common sense or not.

The human world of fighting also celebrates these attributes, they will say straight "he is as game as they come" about human fighters. They aren't bred for it, obviously, but when it occurs in a human fighter it is considered a fantastic trait because it gets results. Always fighting like you believe you are going to win, even when you are losing, maximises the chances that you will actually win.

Fighting like you expect to lose as soon as things get difficult (which is how wild animals fight), almost assures that you will lose. It is a terrible terrible quality in a fighter.
When you understand that wild animals aren't bred to win, but instead bred to survive, and there is no "penalty" for quitting and fleeing when they are beginning to lose, makes it all too obvious why they are this way inclined.

When you understand why bulldogs are the way they are, because winning is everything, winning gains breeding rights even if you get badly horrifically brutally destroyed in the fight, then it is not "dumb" for them to be game, it is smart.

It is how their genetic legacy "survives", the same way "surviving" through cowardice is how a wild animal's genetic legacy survives. The same way it behooves a wild predator to be a coward, it behooves a bulldog to be brave, and that is all the difference is. You choose to admire cowards, and then cope by talking about how smart it is. I choose to admire courage, because I understand it is just as smart for those courageous animals. The end real result is one animal is a coward, and one is brave.

The brave animal was made so capable through it's bravery that people could ship it over to India, from england, and it could walk off the boat and then go and fight leopards and bears 6 times it's size, in the wild, and give them major difficulties. Have the leopards and bears thinking "what the motherfucking hell is this thing?!" while it mauled them and took everything they could give and was still happily wagging its tail and fighting hard back. Also capture and subjugate wild bovines 100 times its size. Have those bovines also thinking "what the everloving fuck?" when some tiny dog was giving them problems and could not be made to quit, even where 200 lbs leopards and 500 lbs tigers would quit. That is pretty fucking cool IMO.

That is real world interactions, where suddenly all your logical excuses for cowardice fall away and all the reality shows is an animal looking like a pussy and a fag, OR cool as shit. You can take all your excuses and write them on a little note and then roll that note into a little cylinder and then slide that cylinder into a little bottle and then mail that little bottle into your own ass. I like the animal that actually is cool in real life and makes wild animals look like bitches. Ok?

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Sept 21, 2023 17:10:52 GMT Hardcastle said:

Bulldog fan logic is simply a desire to win. "Whatever that is" exists only because it increases a bulldog's chances of winning. No one cares if it seems "natural", no one cares if it strikes them as good common sense or not.

The human world of fighting also celebrates these attributes, they will say straight "he is as game as they come" about human fighters. They aren't bred for it, obviously, but when it occurs in a human fighter it is considered a fantastic trait because it gets results. Always fighting like you believe you are going to win, even when you are losing, maximises the chances that you will actually win.

Fighting like you expect to lose as soon as things get difficult (which is how wild animals fight), almost assures that you will lose. It is a terrible terrible quality in a fighter.
When you understand that wild animals aren't bred to win, but instead bred to survive, and there is no "penalty" for quitting and fleeing when they are beginning to lose, makes it all too obvious why they are this way inclined.

When you understand why bulldogs are the way they are, because winning is everything, winning gains breeding rights even if you get badly horrifically brutally destroyed in the fight, then it is not "dumb" for them to be game, it is smart.

It is how their genetic legacy "survives", the same way "surviving" through cowardice is how a wild animal's genetic legacy survives. The same way it behooves a wild predator to be a coward, it behooves a bulldog to be brave, and that is all the difference is. You choose to admire cowards, and then cope by talking about how smart it is. I choose to admire courage, because I understand it is just as smart for those courageous animals. The end real result is one animal is a coward, and one is brave.

The brave animal was made so capable through it's bravery that people could ship it over to India, from england, and it could walk off the boat and then go and fight leopards and bears 6 times it's size, in the wild, and give them major difficulties. Have the leopards and bears thinking "what the motherfucking hell is this thing?!" while it mauled them and took everything they could give and was still happily wagging its tail and fighting hard back. Also capture and subjugate wild bovines 100 times its size. Have those bovines also thinking "what the everloving fuck?" when some tiny dog was giving them problems and could not be made to quit, even where 200 lbs leopards and 500 lbs tigers would quit. That is pretty fucking cool IMO.

That is real world interactions, where suddenly all your logical excuses for cowardice fall away and all the reality shows is an animal looking like a pussy and a fag, OR cool as shit. You can take all your excuses and write them on a little note and then roll that note into a little cylinder and then slide that cylinder into a little bottle and then mail that little bottle into your own ass. I like the animal that actually is cool in real life and makes wild animals look like bitches. Ok?

2 things

1 - getting so agressive over something as banal as Animal Vs Animal hypothethicals is funny to me
2 - Behaving like an hyper-agressive Zombie is just low IQ. Just like charging at a Tank and trying to destroy it with your bare hands is  low IQ, brave? Yes, but the stupid kind of Brave that makes you unable to cut your losses when you are losing hard, bleeding out severely and with multiple broken organs but you still are delusional enough to believe you are winning, and then you die. If an average Joe got into a street fight with an elite MMA fighter he is able to think "yeah bad idea" before he is knocked down to the floor repeteadly.

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Hypothethical: you get in a fist fight with an Hippopotamus, what do you do?

A: cut your losses and withdraw
B: try to fight to the death and be delusional enough to think you are winning even when the Hippo is crushing your skull like a Watermelon

If you actually believed what you are saying you would luck B, lol

[Hardcastle]

Sept 21, 2023 19:15:16 GMT s said:

Hypothethical: you get in a fist fight with an Hippopotamus, what do you do?

A: cut your losses and withdraw
B: try to fight to the death and be delusional enough to think you are winning even when the Hippo is crushing your skull like a Watermelon

If you actually believed what you are saying you would luck B, lol

I wouldn't because I'm a pussy like you and a pussy like a wild predator.

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Sept 21, 2023 19:24:53 GMT Hardcastle said:

Sept 21, 2023 19:15:16 GMT s said:

Hypothethical: you get in a fist fight with an Hippopotamus, what do you do?

A: cut your losses and withdraw
B: try to fight to the death and be delusional enough to think you are winning even when the Hippo is crushing your skull like a Watermelon

If you actually believed what you are saying you would luck B, lol

I wouldn't because I'm a pussy like you and a pussy like a wild predator.

I see. So we can agree that in the wild lack of self-preservation is a one-way ticket to extinction?

[Hardcastle]

Sept 21, 2023 19:26:10 GMT s said:

Sept 21, 2023 19:24:53 GMT Hardcastle said:

I wouldn't because I'm a pussy like you and a pussy like a wild predator.

I see. So we can agree that in the wild lack of self-preservation is a one-way ticket to extinction?

Obviously yes. But it is perfect for gripping dogs as specialised role-players in a symbiotic social unit with hominids.