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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 4, 2023 8:50:31 GMT
Congo leopard  Persian Leopard  Sri Lankan  Nice action puma  Chunky boy  Jacked puma  Dump any more you come across (BTW I deleted all the superfluous cat subforums, just one is cleaner IMO) |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 4, 2023 12:58:33 GMT
First two images are of Shujaa, one of the biggest males in the Mara now, below I think it's Split-nose, another massive male. Here you can see how a probably 80 - 90 lb leopardess is totally dwarfed by Shujaa, he's probably in the 165-180 lb mark.  More of this massive guy, he's specialised in killing Wildebeest bulls   Another massive muscular male from the same area in Kenya killing a much larger Wildebeest, notice its broad chest and huge skull.     A tank from Namibia  Another massive tank from South Africa, notice how compact its build it, reminds me of Pantanal jaguaresses. Easily 180+ lbs imo  |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 4, 2023 13:09:06 GMT
First two images are of Shujaa, one of the biggest males in the Mara now, below I think it's Split-nose, another massive male. Here you can see how a probably 80 - 90 lb leopardess is totally dwarfed by Shujaa, he's probably in the 165-180 lb mark. View AttachmentMore of this massive guy, he's specialised in killing Wildebeest bulls View AttachmentView AttachmentAnother massive muscular male from the same area in Kenya killing a much larger Wildebeest, notice its broad chest and huge skull. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentA tank from Namibia View AttachmentAnother massive tank from South Africa, notice how compact its build it, reminds me of Pantanal jaguaresses. Easily 180+ lbs imo View AttachmentWow, surprised at some of those locations, I didn't think southern/eastern africa had males quite so burly. I've been lead to believe the real whoppers are in equatorial/central africa, Iran and Sri Lanka, and it made sense to me that it was kind of an adaptation to an absence of competition from lions/tigers. Often a species will kind of "take a back seat" and get smaller where there is a competitor that is too big for them to fight. We see similar with pumas in Jaguar country, they get sleeker and smaller than the pumas who are outside of jaguar country, to kind of carve out a different niche for themselves where they aren't in direct competition with the jags. This has actually happened repeatedly through evolutionary history as well, even with wolves, where they are like "oh there's already a big mean predator taking the top predator niche? Ok, I will revert to a smaller jackal-like canine. The top tier is open? Ok I will blow up and become an apex predator". |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 4, 2023 14:23:41 GMT
First two images are of Shujaa, one of the biggest males in the Mara now, below I think it's Split-nose, another massive male. Here you can see how a probably 80 - 90 lb leopardess is totally dwarfed by Shujaa, he's probably in the 165-180 lb mark. View AttachmentMore of this massive guy, he's specialised in killing Wildebeest bulls View AttachmentView AttachmentAnother massive muscular male from the same area in Kenya killing a much larger Wildebeest, notice its broad chest and huge skull. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentA tank from Namibia View AttachmentAnother massive tank from South Africa, notice how compact its build it, reminds me of Pantanal jaguaresses. Easily 180+ lbs imo View AttachmentWow, surprised at some of those locations, I didn't think southern/eastern africa had males quite so burly. I've been lead to believe the real whoppers are in equatorial/central africa, Iran and Sri Lanka, and it made sense to me that it was kind of an adaptation to an absence of competition from lions/tigers. Often a species will kind of "take a back seat" and get smaller where there is a competitor that is too big for them to fight. We see similar with pumas in Jaguar country, they get sleeker and smaller than the pumas who are outside of jaguar country, to kind of carve out a different niche for themselves where they aren't in direct competition with the jags. This has actually happened repeatedly through evolutionary history as well, even with wolves, where they are like "oh there's already a big mean predator taking the top predator niche? Ok, I will revert to a smaller jackal-like canine. The top tier is open? Ok I will blow up and become an apex predator". The idea of low competition affecting the size of predators is actually a very old tale, but it's false. What influences the size of a predator is the prey biomass it feeds on. In fact the largest leopards in africa are found in Kenya, Namibia and South Africa, exactly where they do coexist with the worst of the worst (lions, hyenas, wilddogs, crocodiles).
Central African leopards do grow massive and large, but only in remote zones of Congo and Gabon where there are healthy populations with a lot of prey drive, from red bucks to red hogs and rarely even forest elephant calves, including predation on okapis
This guy is a good example 
For comparison the man is said to be 170 cm tall and 197 lb by the famous Chui so imagine the size of this leopard, to note the size of its head. It's scary.  
The largest leopards ever by the way are found in Iran and Kenya, principally in North Iran and Kenyan Aberdares.
Here some imgur gifs of two enormous males always from north Iran, look how massive both males are, they are around 200-220 lbs imo, given how large their bodies look compared to their heads  And from here it's where the largest scientifically recorded leopard comes from, his name is Alborz.
Alborz that weighed around 220 lbs (218 lbs before euthanasia to be exact, but he also was in a very poor condition in a cage for two weeks and refused to eat and started eating even its own limbs out of stres...so there's the chance that in nature in full health he could have been 220 lbs or slightly more).
 He's a warrior because he was shot 5 times by 12 mm bullets (and over 50 times by pellets) and still survived and was very aggressive and ill tempered. He wasn't the biggest verified leopard but also very agressive, sadly one of the bullets hit the spinal cord and therefore he was euthanized as the vet told me . Real tragedy. Regarding Aberdare leopards, data on their size is disgustingly almost non existent .
We have just two hunting records from there, a 204 lb reliable male with a 276 mm skull
and an even slightly larger male with a larger 285 mm skull estimated 200-220 lb by the hunter (who has hunted and weighed many leopards so his estimate has to be kind of accurate) , of which I estimated its body mass with a skull length equation by isometric scaling the skull score of the 171 lb male to his one and i got about 240 lbs, but of course it has to be less due to individual variation so probably about 211 - 220 lbs.
In fact I upscaled the weight from 276 mm skull at 204 lb go 285 mm and I got a weight of slightly above 220 lbs.
We also have its image and you can see how giant it is, there's also no smart angle since the man is literally just behind the leopard, touching the leopard's back with the feet . This male is definitely 211 - 220 lbs 
That equation that uses skull measurements scaling is actually very accurate to be fair because I tested it for estimating the size of already weighed animals and the results were very close to the actual weight, for example I did the same equation with the skull score of the other verified 204 (92.5 kg) lb leopard from aberdares
(this one)
^^^ and I got 206 lb (93.3 kgs), barely 1 kg of overestimate over the original weight of 204 lb, so you can see that's an accurate method of measuring.
Moreover there's another huge, unweighted male always from the Aberdares which is imo one of the most jaguar-like looking leopards, just look at it's very bulky and compact built among with such wide and round large skull.
Aberdares is easily the best place for big headed leopards, just look at the specimens you see roaming there. Those are no ordinary heads
^^ another male from same region, not only it looks enormous as always, but the head looks exactly like the other two males, showing that this population seems to have a weird consistency in making jaguar-like headed leopards. It has an enormous bulldog-like head and it's built like a tank
Another tank with a massive head aswell.
We also have another huge, possibile 220+ lb leopard from Namibia and it's a hunting record from 2019. It allegedly weighed a whopping 238 lb which would make it larger than the largest cougar of 230 lbs and larger than Alborz (around 220 lbs). This Namibian male is considered to be with stomach content so I don't consider it confirmed but alleged . Still when looking at it, you can see it's surely a giant male that was weighed as you can see on a verified scale with image showing it exceeded the 100 kg (220 lb) mark
and compare it's paw size to the verified 218 -220 lb Alborz , that's surely a leopard that when empty (if it even was with stomach content we can't know) can be in the 200 -220 lb mark 
And there are a lot of other reliable scientific and hunting records of enormous male leopards in the 180 - 200 lb range all the way from Namibia, Kwa Zulu natal, South Africa and Masai Mara. So male leopards can grow big all over the place where they can feed on large preys.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 4, 2023 15:11:23 GMT
It's possible those two things aren't mutually exclusive. I mean the presence of lions and the size of prey leopards are eating. In lion or tiger country leopards might prefer smaller prey to avoid clashing with lions and tigers.
Aberdares is in Kenya, a country where there are Lions, but there are apparently no lions in the Aberdare mountain range. So I'm not totally sure there's NO connection, there still seems to be a bit of a correlation even if imperfect. Any huge leopards in verified very lion or tiger heavy locations? Like Ranthambore in India for example?
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 4, 2023 17:47:57 GMT
It's possible those two things aren't mutually exclusive. I mean the presence of lions and the size of prey leopards are eating. In lion or tiger country leopards might prefer smaller prey to avoid clashing with lions and tigers. Aberdares is in Kenya, a country where there are Lions, but there are apparently no lions in the Aberdare mountain range. So I'm not totally sure there's NO connection, there still seems to be a bit of a correlation even if imperfect. Any huge leopards in verified very lion or tiger heavy locations? Like Ranthambore in India for example? The heaviest lion on record was shot in aberdare mountains funnily enough lol when it attacked a tourist camp |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 5, 2023 5:54:44 GMT
One of the largest males in Patagonia, Dark, he's the face bruised with scars because he's successfully defeated several rival males and even noe despite being out of his prime he's still the dominant male of the area.   Notice his massive frame here.  Sexual dimorphism is extreme here, assuming that's a 90+ lb female, he's surely around or over the 200 lb mark.   Here's I think Pajero or Scar, he's an even more massive male and its bulk definitely rivals some average Pantanal jaguars and surely ties with North Iranian and Aberdare leopards in built  Why do I claim he's more massive than Dark? Because he dwarfs females with an even bigger margin. He should be close to 220 lbs assuming that's a 90-100 lb female. Ever wondered how a 90-100 lb catchdog would look close to a record sized monster cougar? Here's an example:  |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 5, 2023 6:00:07 GMT
This cougar is in the top 4 of the largest recorded cougars worldwide, he's a nearly 220 lb (218 lbs to be exact) monster, the same size as Alborz   |
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Post by Bolushi on Jul 5, 2023 6:02:17 GMT
One of the largest males in Patagonia, Dark, he's the face bruised with scars because he's successfully defeated several rival males and even noe despite being out of his prime he's still the dominant male of the area. View AttachmentView AttachmentNotice his massive frame here. View AttachmentSexual dimorphism is extreme here, assuming that's a 90+ lb female, he's surely around or over the 200 lb mark. View AttachmentView AttachmentHere's I think Pajero or Scar, he's an even more massive male and its bulk definitely rivals some average Pantanal jaguars and surely ties with North Iranian and Aberdare leopards in built View AttachmentWhy do I claim he's more massive than Dark? Because he dwarfs females with an even bigger margin. He should be close to 220 lbs assuming that's a 90-100 lb female. Ever wondered how a 90-100 lb catchdog would look close to a record sized monster cougar? Here's an example: View AttachmentWonder if someone could photoshop a catch dog accurately into the image... |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 5, 2023 6:18:15 GMT
One of the largest males in Patagonia, Dark, he's the face bruised with scars because he's successfully defeated several rival males and even noe despite being out of his prime he's still the dominant male of the area. View AttachmentView AttachmentNotice his massive frame here. View AttachmentSexual dimorphism is extreme here, assuming that's a 90+ lb female, he's surely around or over the 200 lb mark. View AttachmentView AttachmentHere's I think Pajero or Scar, he's an even more massive male and its bulk definitely rivals some average Pantanal jaguars and surely ties with North Iranian and Aberdare leopards in built View AttachmentWhy do I claim he's more massive than Dark? Because he dwarfs females with an even bigger margin. He should be close to 220 lbs assuming that's a 90-100 lb female. Ever wondered how a 90-100 lb catchdog would look close to a record sized monster cougar? Here's an example: View AttachmentWonder if someone could photoshop a catch dog accurately into the image... No need, why using a catchdog that will be dwarfed? We must give the idea that dogs are bigger than the biggest cougars aswell, throw in the Photoshop hubby 340 lb lean Zorba! |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 5, 2023 6:22:50 GMT
More of Alborz, the 218 lb warrior  Huge head   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 21:45:20 GMT
This cougar is in the top 4 of the largest recorded cougars worldwide, he's a nearly 220 lb (218 lbs to be exact) monster, the same size as Alborz View AttachmentView AttachmentI could take 'em. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 6, 2023 22:03:04 GMT
Huge male always from Kenya, look at that massive chest and neck. Huge skull aswell. Bulldozer   Two giant cougars, sadly their weight is unknown . The second one's got a wide and large skull for sure   Funny how leopards and cougars despite being on the lightweight side of the big cat family still grow to huge sizes and displays such muscular and powerful bodies. Let alone when you see jaguars, lions and tigers.... |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Jul 6, 2023 22:06:34 GMT
An actual 218 pound or 98.8 kg Leopard? Nice. Almost 1 kg away from being a 100kg specimen. |
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