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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 11:48:06 GMT
Seems a lot smaller dude, gives toy vibes-  Which may be decieving, as they are for the shiba inu and many terriers and even say corgis, lancashire heelers and shetland sheepdogs, but still.... german shepherd? lol And the fact I'm admitting I don't know about it is how you can be confident that when I say I know, I mean it. That's a puppy or a dwarf or something. I have never seen a lapphund that small.  Here's a better one. You could also just look up the weights, they're not very different. I think they're pretty similar as both are "wolfy" dogs bred for herding. The lapphund is made for herding reindeer, the GSD is for sheep, lapphund is also a bit smaller, and better adapted to its cold environment. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 18, 2023 12:50:58 GMT
Seems a lot smaller dude, gives toy vibes- Which may be decieving, as they are for the shiba inu and many terriers and even say corgis, lancashire heelers and shetland sheepdogs, but still.... german shepherd? lol And the fact I'm admitting I don't know about it is how you can be confident that when I say I know, I mean it. That's a puppy or a dwarf or something. I have never seen a lapphund that small. View AttachmentHere's a better one. You could also just look up the weights, they're not very different. I think they're pretty similar as both are "wolfy" dogs bred for herding. The lapphund is made for herding reindeer, the GSD is for sheep, lapphund is also a bit smaller, and better adapted to its cold environment. Well you can check the actual file name of the photo, it explicitly says "adult male". Anyway, yeah there can be size variation in a breed. Even the one you posted is in no way the dimensions of a german shepherd though-  Finnish Lapphund seems more like a Samoyed-  With spitz breeds, whether they are used for herding or sled pulling or hunting or even fighting... doesn't make that much difference, they are still first and foremost "spitz" by design, they kind of pre-date the diversification of specialised dog types that actually adapted physically and mentally to their role as "experts". Spitz are cool because they can kind of do everything to a reasonable level. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 15:30:01 GMT
Could they not find the bite forces of dog breeds by sticking a newton meter inside the sleeve they bite on? Seems like that would be simple, no? |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 18, 2023 16:04:12 GMT
They did it. Nat geo did it over a couple of different shows back in the early/mid 00s. One "deadly encounters" with Brady Barr where he did pitbull, german shepherd and rott, then awd and wolf. Then another one I think about dire wolves where they did Malinois, ambull, dutch shepherd and a tosa (which they referred to as just "mastiff", but it was a tosa).
The results (some dogs, and the wolf, did a couple of bites, picking the best of each)-
Malinois- 195 psi
Dutch Shepherd - 232 psi
Pitbull - 235 psi
German Shepherd - 238 psi
Ambull- 305 psi
AWD - 317 psi
Rottweiler - 328 psi
Wolf - 406 psi
Tosa - 556 psi
They used the same device to do some other animals too -
Lion - 600 psi
White shark - 600 psi
Spotted Hyena - 1000 psi
Alligator Snapping turtle - 1000 psi
Nile Crocodile - 2500 psi
I'm pretty sure this is all that has ever publicly been done, any other "bite force statistics" you get are estimated based on something else, or totally made up. These are the numbers for the actual "measured with a meter" bite force tests.
Which isn't to say they are "correct". How much the dogs and wolves changed from bite to bite shows it is variable.
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Post by ophio on Oct 18, 2023 16:50:26 GMT
Damm no love for st Bernards. Biggest functional breed easy
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 18, 2023 16:52:38 GMT
I like the odd rare st bernard kind of. Cufo was pretty badass-  The biggest testicles I ever saw on a dog were on a short coated st bernard. That is nothing to sneaze at. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Oct 19, 2023 9:23:19 GMT
How about we do this but for wild carnivorans including felids? And call it "The BEST predator"
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Post by s on Oct 19, 2023 10:44:15 GMT
They did it. Nat geo did it over a couple of different shows back in the early/mid 00s. One "deadly encounters" with Brady Barr where he did pitbull, german shepherd and rott, then awd and wolf. Then another one I think about dire wolves where they did Malinois, ambull, dutch shepherd and a tosa (which they referred to as just "mastiff", but it was a tosa). The results (some dogs, and the wolf, did a couple of bites, picking the best of each)- Malinois- 195 psi Dutch Shepherd - 232 psi Pitbull - 235 psi German Shepherd - 238 psi Ambull- 305 psi AWD - 317 psi Rottweiler - 328 psi Wolf - 406 psi Tosa - 556 psi They used the same device to do some other animals too - Lion - 600 psi White shark - 600 psi Spotted Hyena - 1000 psi Alligator Snapping turtle - 1000 psi Nile Crocodile - 2500 psi I'm pretty sure this is all that has ever publicly been done, any other "bite force statistics" you get are estimated based on something else, or totally made up. These are the numbers for the actual "measured with a meter" bite force tests. Which isn't to say they are "correct". How much the dogs and wolves changed from bite to bite shows it is variable. Yeah, PSI measurements are questionable at best and retarded at worse. Have heard people unironically say that a Pitbull has a bite force of 1.800 PSI, or that a Wolf's bite force is 1.200 PSI (former is more stupid, latter is a more common claim, i don't know which one is worse) |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 19, 2023 11:03:54 GMT
The main problem is the figures across the internet are mostly entirely made up. The second problem, which actually might even be a bigger problem, is everyone involved with dogs knows that an individual dog bites at totally different hardnesses for each individual bite it makes. The sample size you'd actually need from each animal you want to compare before you could make any meaningful conclusions is therefore enormous. Then there are many other issues like how animals use their bites differently and comparing purely downwards pressure is really insufficient for any kind of combat analysis. We could go on and on, but yeah the fact we essentially don't really have bite force data is probably the main thing. For some reason every animal has a "bite force figure" if you search for it, when in reality few have been measured, and those measurements should be taken with a grain of salt anyway. The same is true for "top speed".
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Post by s on Oct 26, 2023 19:07:43 GMT
American Pit BullterrierBody-Skin durability - 88 feet durability - 75 Bone durability - 93 Skull durability - 96 Coat durability - 20 Muscle/fat durability - 90 Agility - 81 Jumping - 75 Flexibility - 90 Explosivity - 99 Power - 77 Power-to-Weight - 99 Endurance - 99 Energy - 91 Height/Length - 50 Mass - 60 "Fuel" Economy - 40 Pain tolerance - 99 Cold tolerance - 50 Heat tolerance - 85 Running-Top speed - 70 Acceleration - 77 Sprint sustenation - 75 Lateral Movement - 65 Long distance - 55 Mouth-Snap force - 70 Crush force - 85 Tooth penetration - 70 Grip strength - 97 Grip stamina - 100 Grip weight - 65 Shake vigour - 97 Slashing damage - 70 Bite accuracy - 82 Bite speed/reflex - 84 Senses-Near sight - 90 Far sight - 55 Near scent - 70 Far scent - 55 Fresh scent - 70 Cold scent - 50 Ground scent - 50 Air scent - 60 Hearing acuity - 75 Mental-Problem solving - 80 Trainability - 80 Determination - 100 Independence - 65 Courage - 100 Docility - 70 Affability - 90 Composure - 97 selflessness - 99 Decisiveness - 97 Perception - 80 Alertness - 80 Social skills - 50 Bush Smarts - 50 Killer instinct - 95 Self preservation - 25 Overall75.8 "Docility - 70" "Affability - 90"
Amazing joke. A NW Timber Wolf (whom you gave 15 and 10 respectively) is both substantially less likely to attack you and unlike a Pitbull who goes from 0 to 100 in 2 seconds and unexpectedly snaps without provocation it's far easier to tell when the Wolf is warning you to leave it alone.
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 26, 2023 19:46:55 GMT
American Pit BullterrierBody-Skin durability - 88 feet durability - 75 Bone durability - 93 Skull durability - 96 Coat durability - 20 Muscle/fat durability - 90 Agility - 81 Jumping - 75 Flexibility - 90 Explosivity - 99 Power - 77 Power-to-Weight - 99 Endurance - 99 Energy - 91 Height/Length - 50 Mass - 60 "Fuel" Economy - 40 Pain tolerance - 99 Cold tolerance - 50 Heat tolerance - 85 Running-Top speed - 70 Acceleration - 77 Sprint sustenation - 75 Lateral Movement - 65 Long distance - 55 Mouth-Snap force - 70 Crush force - 85 Tooth penetration - 70 Grip strength - 97 Grip stamina - 100 Grip weight - 65 Shake vigour - 97 Slashing damage - 70 Bite accuracy - 82 Bite speed/reflex - 84 Senses-Near sight - 90 Far sight - 55 Near scent - 70 Far scent - 55 Fresh scent - 70 Cold scent - 50 Ground scent - 50 Air scent - 60 Hearing acuity - 75 Mental-Problem solving - 80 Trainability - 80 Determination - 100 Independence - 65 Courage - 100 Docility - 70 Affability - 90 Composure - 97 selflessness - 99 Decisiveness - 97 Perception - 80 Alertness - 80 Social skills - 50 Bush Smarts - 50 Killer instinct - 95 Self preservation - 25 Overall75.8 "Docility - 70" "Affability - 90"
Amazing joke. A NW Timber Wolf (whom you gave 15 and 10 respectively) is both substantially less likely to attack you and unlike a Pitbull who goes from 0 to 100 in 2 seconds and unexpectedly snaps without provocation it's far easier to tell when the Wolf is warning you to leave it alone.
You have been sucked in by anti-pitbull propaganda. R.I.P Bozo. |
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Post by s on Oct 27, 2023 6:29:31 GMT
"Docility - 70" "Affability - 90"
Amazing joke. A NW Timber Wolf (whom you gave 15 and 10 respectively) is both substantially less likely to attack you and unlike a Pitbull who goes from 0 to 100 in 2 seconds and unexpectedly snaps without provocation it's far easier to tell when the Wolf is warning you to leave it alone.
You have been sucked in by anti-pitbull propaganda. R.I.P Bozo. You are infinitely more at risk of being attacked if you encounter 2 feral pit bulls than if you encounter a pack of wolves in the mountains. Nothing of what i said was wrong. |
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 27, 2023 7:04:55 GMT
You have been sucked in by anti-pitbull propaganda. R.I.P Bozo. You are infinitely more at risk of being attacked if you encounter 2 feral pit bulls than if you encounter a pack of wolves in the mountains. Nothing of what i said was wrong. It is all wrong but what you said here is true. The wolves don't want to be near you at all because wolves associate humans with rifles and/or greyhounds. Pitbulls don't have that long evolutionary history and have no fear of humans. |
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