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Post by Hardcastle on Apr 30, 2023 2:44:41 GMT
If I made the categories again I'd probably lose about 8 of those and add about another 15.
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Post by Bolushi on Apr 30, 2023 12:13:23 GMT
Airedale TerrierBody-Skin durability - 75 feet durability - 96 Bone durability - 65 Skull durability - 82 Coat durability - 85 Muscle/fat durability - 65 Agility - 88 Jumping - 70 Flexibility - 79 Explosivity - 85 Power - 55 Power-to-Weight - 82 Endurance - 86 Energy - 98 Height/Length - 54 Mass - 55 "Fuel" Economy - 65 Pain tolerance - 88 Cold tolerance - 91 Heat tolerance - 88 Running-Top speed - 75 Acceleration - 85 Sprint sustenation - 75 Lateral Movement - 95 Long distance - 82 Mouth-Snap force - 84 Crush force - 60 Tooth penetration - 91 Grip strength - 81 Grip stamina - 93 Grip weight - 50 Shake vigour - 100 Slashing damage - 95 Bite accuracy - 99 Bite speed/reflex - 99 Senses-Near sight - 94 Far sight - 89 Near scent - 92 Far scent - 88 Fresh scent - 93 Cold scent - 91 Ground scent - 95 Air scent - 92 Hearing acuity - 99 Mental-Problem solving - 96 Trainability - 91 Determination - 97 Independence - 82 Courage - 93 Docility - 65 Affability - 85 Composure - 80 selflessness - 90 Decisiveness - 97 Perception - 98 Alertness - 99 Social skills - 80 Bush Smarts - 96 Killer instinct - 99 Self preservation - 87 Overall84.7 ------------------------ Rhodesian RidgebackBody-Skin durability - 81 feet durability - 96 Bone durability - 78 Skull durability - 80 Coat durability - 45 Muscle/fat durability - 73 Agility - 90 Jumping - 89 Flexibility - 85 Explosivity - 83 Power - 67 Power-to-Weight - 78 Endurance - 96 Energy - 90 Height/Length - 70 Mass - 76 "Fuel" Economy - 65 Pain tolerance - 55 Cold tolerance - 40 Heat tolerance - 99 Running-Top speed - 87 Acceleration - 84 Sprint sustenation - 85 Lateral Movement - 98 Long distance - 94 Mouth-Snap force - 60 Crush force - 74 Tooth penetration - 69 Grip strength - 78 Grip stamina - 82 Grip weight - 78 Shake vigour - 70 Slashing damage - 70 Bite accuracy - 83 Bite speed/reflex - 91 Senses-Near sight - 89 Far sight - 90 Near scent - 91 Far scent - 90 Fresh scent - 93 Cold scent - 88 Ground scent - 93 Air scent - 97 Hearing acuity - 84 Mental-Problem solving - 84 Trainability - 80 Determination - 78 Independence - 75 Courage - 78 Docility - 85 Affability - 85 Composure - 75 selflessness - 60 Decisiveness - 60 Perception - 80 Alertness - 86 Social skills - 87 Bush Smarts - 97 Killer instinct - 78 Self preservation - 98 Overall80.6 ------------------------ I actually didn't agree with you and didn't think they'd come out that good, but damn. I told you so... lol I think the Ridgeback and Airedale are the pioneers of "The Outdoorsman's Dog". They are intelligent, they know what they're doing, they're smart, they can do just about everything, they have a lot of energy, they can get by with all sorts of environments, won't do something stupid and get themselves killed (airedale is a "probably won't"), can interact with other animals safely, and are tougher than just about any non-bull dog. Doesn't get much better than that TBH. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 0:15:13 GMT
Can you do the Pastoral herders like Border Collies and Blue Heelers? Hardcastle |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 0:25:12 GMT
Summary so far with numbers rounded down or up to a whole. Northern Timberwolf - 75 Siberian Husky - 69 German Shepherd - 76 Border collie - 75 American Pit Bullterrier - 76 African Wild Dog - 77 ------- Any requests? Because the African Wild Dog has a pack, but not like a wolf has a pack. Both have packs, but the wolves pack are more of them being loose, transitory, sloppy, associations. Its more a male and female wolf and the pups they weaned and reared, and any lucky lone wolves they accept into the pack. But even then they fight so much its unbelievable, for very unnecessary reasons and have extremely high sexual dimorphism. Every wolf in the pack acts as its own individual, even during hunting which is high in communication, teamwork, cooperation and roles/ranks. In contrast, the African Wild Dog has a extremely tightly knit pack resembling an ant colony. Any members can come in and out, the more the merrier to them. They extremely rarely ever fight, and fights between them if they do happen once in a lifetime are for a good reason. They don’t act like their own individual, even if they do have hunting ranks like the wolf pack (getting into this later) they rarely even communicate or cooperate during the hunt. They just run after a prey animal, and they all just dig in when the prey animal stops. So their perfect rating may be good and all, but its because of their tightly knit packs, |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 1, 2023 10:12:40 GMT
I did do Border collie. I'd be interested to see if you disagree with any of the ratings. I think the problem is I didn't include quite a few categories. "Stalking" as one random example, would have been 100 in the border collie, but I just didn't think of it. Lots of herding behaviours, and gun dog behaviours, even though I have scenting categories I could have had more scenthound-specific categories. Might try again later, but it's a lot of effort.
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Post by Bolushi on May 1, 2023 13:11:48 GMT
American Pit BullterrierBody-Skin durability - 88 feet durability - 75 Bone durability - 93 Skull durability - 96 Coat durability - 20 Muscle/fat durability - 90 Agility - 81 Jumping - 75 Flexibility - 90 Explosivity - 99 Power - 77 Power-to-Weight - 99 Endurance - 99 Energy - 91 Height/Length - 50 Mass - 60 "Fuel" Economy - 40 Pain tolerance - 99 Cold tolerance - 50 Heat tolerance - 85 Running-Top speed - 70 Acceleration - 77 Sprint sustenation - 75 Lateral Movement - 65 Long distance - 55 Mouth-Snap force - 70 Crush force - 85 Tooth penetration - 70 Grip strength - 97 Grip stamina - 100 Grip weight - 65 Shake vigour - 97 Slashing damage - 70 Bite accuracy - 82 Bite speed/reflex - 84 Senses-Near sight - 90 Far sight - 55 Near scent - 70 Far scent - 55 Fresh scent - 70 Cold scent - 50 Ground scent - 50 Air scent - 60 Hearing acuity - 75 Mental-Problem solving - 80 Trainability - 80 Determination - 100 Independence - 65 Courage - 100 Docility - 70 Affability - 90 Composure - 97 selflessness - 99 Decisiveness - 97 Perception - 80 Alertness - 80 Social skills - 50 Bush Smarts - 50 Killer instinct - 95 Self preservation - 25 Overall75.8 A pitbull's self preservation is 0... why is it 25? |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 1, 2023 22:11:46 GMT
American Pit BullterrierBody-Skin durability - 88 feet durability - 75 Bone durability - 93 Skull durability - 96 Coat durability - 20 Muscle/fat durability - 90 Agility - 81 Jumping - 75 Flexibility - 90 Explosivity - 99 Power - 77 Power-to-Weight - 99 Endurance - 99 Energy - 91 Height/Length - 50 Mass - 60 "Fuel" Economy - 40 Pain tolerance - 99 Cold tolerance - 50 Heat tolerance - 85 Running-Top speed - 70 Acceleration - 77 Sprint sustenation - 75 Lateral Movement - 65 Long distance - 55 Mouth-Snap force - 70 Crush force - 85 Tooth penetration - 70 Grip strength - 97 Grip stamina - 100 Grip weight - 65 Shake vigour - 97 Slashing damage - 70 Bite accuracy - 82 Bite speed/reflex - 84 Senses-Near sight - 90 Far sight - 55 Near scent - 70 Far scent - 55 Fresh scent - 70 Cold scent - 50 Ground scent - 50 Air scent - 60 Hearing acuity - 75 Mental-Problem solving - 80 Trainability - 80 Determination - 100 Independence - 65 Courage - 100 Docility - 70 Affability - 90 Composure - 97 selflessness - 99 Decisiveness - 97 Perception - 80 Alertness - 80 Social skills - 50 Bush Smarts - 50 Killer instinct - 95 Self preservation - 25 Overall75.8 A pitbull's self preservation is 0... why is it 25? Well if you talk to some dog fighters they consider the apbt to have 100 self preservation. That will to never give up is in a way them desperately preserving themselves. If they had zero they'd just lie down and die. Now I still have it low so obviously didn't fully get on board with their line of thinking. I don't know, might not really be a valid category. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 1:04:39 GMT
Border CollieBody-Skin durability - 45 feet durability - 88 Bone durability - 45 Skull durability - 45 Coat durability - 45 Muscle/fat durability - 50 Agility - 99 Jumping - 98 Flexibility - 85 Explosivity - 65 Power - 40 Power-to-Weight - 50 Endurance - 98 Energy - 99 Height/Length - 50 Mass - 50 "Fuel" Economy - 99 Pain tolerance - 40 Cold tolerance - 89 Heat tolerance - 89 Running-Top speed - 91 Acceleration - 94 Sprint sustenation - 93 Lateral Movement - 99 Long distance - 95 Mouth-Snap force - 50 Crush force - 45 Tooth penetration - 45 Grip strength - 45 Grip stamina - 55 Grip weight - 40 Shake vigour - 85 Slashing damage - 68 Bite accuracy - 96 Bite speed/reflex - 98 Senses-Near sight - 93 Far sight - 97 Near scent - 75 Far scent - 65 Fresh scent - 75 Cold scent - 65 Ground scent - 60 Air scent - 77 Hearing acuity - 97 Mental-Problem solving - 99 Trainability - 99 Determination - 80 Independence - 75 Courage - 60 Docility - 65 Affability - 99 Composure - 85 selflessness - 94 Decisiveness - 95 Perception - 98 Alertness - 99 Social skills - 88 Bush Smarts - 65 Killer instinct - 30 Self preservation - 88 Overall74.8 Why is the killer instinct only 30 for them? As for the other categories, hit the nail right on the head. As for independence, Border Collies are a weird mix of the two which makes them great. They’re biddable, human-oriented, highly trainable, can live in a lot of environments, yet also have a lot of independence as well. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 1:09:58 GMT
A pitbull's self preservation is 0... why is it 25? Well if you talk to some dog fighters they consider the apbt to have 100 self preservation. That will to never give up is in a way them desperately preserving themselves. If they had zero they'd just lie down and die. Now I still have it low so obviously didn't fully get on board with their line of thinking. I don't know, might not really be a valid category. It could still be true and valid. Self-preservation is not a weakness. Its smarts. Wolves and dogs both have this undeniably. With Pitbulls, with their specialization of subjugation from the wolf, it seems apparent they should have less than 10 in self-preservation, since they are specialized. But if you look closely, pitbulls subjugating is self-preservation. Self-preservation is an instinct across all species which can be defined as preserving life. A Pitbull subjugating something could definitely self-preservation since the entire point of subjugation is to render dangerous prey defenseless. A Pitbulls worst nightmare is them not being able to subjugate their prey, so thats why they subjugate. Same with subjugation wolves. Its to render dangerous prey defenseless so they don’t get killed. Thats my take. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 3, 2023 15:06:56 GMT
Border CollieBody-Skin durability - 45 feet durability - 88 Bone durability - 45 Skull durability - 45 Coat durability - 45 Muscle/fat durability - 50 Agility - 99 Jumping - 98 Flexibility - 85 Explosivity - 65 Power - 40 Power-to-Weight - 50 Endurance - 98 Energy - 99 Height/Length - 50 Mass - 50 "Fuel" Economy - 99 Pain tolerance - 40 Cold tolerance - 89 Heat tolerance - 89 Running-Top speed - 91 Acceleration - 94 Sprint sustenation - 93 Lateral Movement - 99 Long distance - 95 Mouth-Snap force - 50 Crush force - 45 Tooth penetration - 45 Grip strength - 45 Grip stamina - 55 Grip weight - 40 Shake vigour - 85 Slashing damage - 68 Bite accuracy - 96 Bite speed/reflex - 98 Senses-Near sight - 93 Far sight - 97 Near scent - 75 Far scent - 65 Fresh scent - 75 Cold scent - 65 Ground scent - 60 Air scent - 77 Hearing acuity - 97 Mental-Problem solving - 99 Trainability - 99 Determination - 80 Independence - 75 Courage - 60 Docility - 65 Affability - 99 Composure - 85 selflessness - 94 Decisiveness - 95 Perception - 98 Alertness - 99 Social skills - 88 Bush Smarts - 65 Killer instinct - 30 Self preservation - 88 Overall74.8 Why is the killer instinct only 30 for them? As for the other categories, hit the nail right on the head. As for independence, Border Collies are a weird mix of the two which makes them great. They’re biddable, human-oriented, highly trainable, can live in a lot of environments, yet also have a lot of independence as well. Yeah that's a fair point, killer instinct is probably too low. I think 50, or JUST under, would be more appropriate. IF they have a subdued/supressed killer instinct, relative to a wolf, it's only a very small amount. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 23:42:31 GMT
Airedale TerrierBody-Skin durability - 75 feet durability - 96 Bone durability - 65 Skull durability - 82 Coat durability - 85 Muscle/fat durability - 65 Agility - 88 Jumping - 70 Flexibility - 79 Explosivity - 85 Power - 55 Power-to-Weight - 82 Endurance - 86 Energy - 98 Height/Length - 54 Mass - 55 "Fuel" Economy - 65 Pain tolerance - 88 Cold tolerance - 91 Heat tolerance - 88 Running-Top speed - 75 Acceleration - 85 Sprint sustenation - 75 Lateral Movement - 95 Long distance - 82 Mouth-Snap force - 84 Crush force - 60 Tooth penetration - 91 Grip strength - 81 Grip stamina - 93 Grip weight - 50 Shake vigour - 100 Slashing damage - 95 Bite accuracy - 99 Bite speed/reflex - 99 Senses-Near sight - 94 Far sight - 89 Near scent - 92 Far scent - 88 Fresh scent - 93 Cold scent - 91 Ground scent - 95 Air scent - 92 Hearing acuity - 99 Mental-Problem solving - 96 Trainability - 91 Determination - 97 Independence - 82 Courage - 93 Docility - 65 Affability - 85 Composure - 80 selflessness - 90 Decisiveness - 97 Perception - 98 Alertness - 99 Social skills - 80 Bush Smarts - 96 Killer instinct - 99 Self preservation - 87 Overall84.7 ------------------------ Rhodesian RidgebackBody-Skin durability - 81 feet durability - 96 Bone durability - 78 Skull durability - 80 Coat durability - 45 Muscle/fat durability - 73 Agility - 90 Jumping - 89 Flexibility - 85 Explosivity - 83 Power - 67 Power-to-Weight - 78 Endurance - 96 Energy - 90 Height/Length - 70 Mass - 76 "Fuel" Economy - 65 Pain tolerance - 55 Cold tolerance - 40 Heat tolerance - 99 Running-Top speed - 87 Acceleration - 84 Sprint sustenation - 85 Lateral Movement - 98 Long distance - 94 Mouth-Snap force - 60 Crush force - 74 Tooth penetration - 69 Grip strength - 78 Grip stamina - 82 Grip weight - 78 Shake vigour - 70 Slashing damage - 70 Bite accuracy - 83 Bite speed/reflex - 91 Senses-Near sight - 89 Far sight - 90 Near scent - 91 Far scent - 90 Fresh scent - 93 Cold scent - 88 Ground scent - 93 Air scent - 97 Hearing acuity - 84 Mental-Problem solving - 84 Trainability - 80 Determination - 78 Independence - 75 Courage - 78 Docility - 85 Affability - 85 Composure - 75 selflessness - 60 Decisiveness - 60 Perception - 80 Alertness - 86 Social skills - 87 Bush Smarts - 97 Killer instinct - 78 Self preservation - 98 Overall80.6 ------------------------ I actually didn't agree with you and didn't think they'd come out that good, but damn. I told you so... lol I think the Ridgeback and Airedale are the pioneers of "The Outdoorsman's Dog". They are intelligent, they know what they're doing, they're smart, they can do just about everything, they have a lot of energy, they can get by with all sorts of environments, won't do something stupid and get themselves killed (airedale is a "probably won't"), can interact with other animals safely, and are tougher than just about any non-bull dog. Doesn't get much better than that TBH. Thats how i’d rate a lot of dogs, and particularly, Ridgebacks, Airedales, German Shepherds, are all in the category of the outdoorsmen dog breeds i’d say if I had to give them, but slapping one specialized role on them is inaccurate. Like you said, they are intelligent, they know what they're doing, they're smart, they can do just about everything, they have a lot of energy, they can get by with all sorts of environments, won't do something stupid and get themselves killed (airedale is a "probably won't"), can interact with other animals safely, and are just as tough as any other non-bull dog. As for German Shepherds, they’re alien yet applicable too. They are in the category of herders which makes them specialized wolfy ranchers, but nobody uses them for herding much longer so that category has been limited. Great trailers for outdoorsmen, along with just a general buddy, and great hunting dog depending on who you ask, (do not get one as a gun dog) along with working in other unrelated categories such as Schutzhund. For Airedales, they just have been used for a lot of outdoor activities, making them extremely versatile and can be used for almost anything. They’re cool and tough dogs too, many Airedale owners will tell you how great of trailers they are for hunting. They’re also very efficient survivalists, as shown in a study examining free-roaming and feral dogs and their predation on white-tailed deer in Minnesota - (https://digitalcommons.morris.umn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1492&context=jmas) Use em’ on anything and they’ll find a way. For Rhodesian Ridgebacks, this is pretty obvious. They have been used in many tasks involving how to survive in the outdoors, like how to deal with big cats safely without being killed. They did not kill lions, thats the biggest myth out there. However, they did know how to be rough curs of lions until the human could arrive. They’re like a weird mix of everything too in that matter, like a scenthound, like a sighthound, like a cur, like a bulldog, they can practically do it all. 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Post by Bolushi on May 4, 2023 1:58:42 GMT
I told you so... lol I think the Ridgeback and Airedale are the pioneers of "The Outdoorsman's Dog". They are intelligent, they know what they're doing, they're smart, they can do just about everything, they have a lot of energy, they can get by with all sorts of environments, won't do something stupid and get themselves killed (airedale is a "probably won't"), can interact with other animals safely, and are tougher than just about any non-bull dog. Doesn't get much better than that TBH. Thats how i’d rate a lot of dogs, and particularly, Ridgebacks, Airedales, German Shepherds, are all in the category of the outdoorsmen dog breeds i’d say if I had to give them, but slapping one specialized role on them is inaccurate. Like you said, they are intelligent, they know what they're doing, they're smart, they can do just about everything, they have a lot of energy, they can get by with all sorts of environments, won't do something stupid and get themselves killed (airedale is a "probably won't"), can interact with other animals safely, and are just as tough as any other non-bull dog. As for German Shepherds, they’re alien yet applicable too. They are in the category of herders which makes them specialized wolfy ranchers, but nobody uses them for herding much longer so that category has been limited. Great trailers for outdoorsmen, along with just a general buddy, and great hunting dog depending on who you ask, (do not get one as a gun dog) along with working in other unrelated categories such as Schutzhund. For Airedales, they just have been used for a lot of outdoor activities, making them extremely versatile and can be used for almost anything. They’re cool and tough dogs too, many Airedale owners will tell you how great of trailers they are for hunting. They’re also very efficient survivalists, as shown in a study examining free-roaming and feral dogs and their predation on white-tailed deer in Minnesota - (https://digitalcommons.morris.umn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1492&context=jmas) Use em’ on anything and they’ll find a way. For Rhodesian Ridgebacks, this is pretty obvious. They have been used in many tasks involving how to survive in the outdoors, like how to deal with big cats safely without being killed. They did not kill lions, thats the biggest myth out there. However, they did know how to be rough curs of lions until the human could arrive. They’re like a weird mix of everything too in that matter, like a scenthound, like a sighthound, like a cur, like a bulldog, they can practically do it all. Almost all of these dogs have retained a lot of their wolf traits too, since their specialization of how to deal with certain elements of the wild has given them an advantage. Granted, most dogs could but these are specialized mostly. Airedales can survive. It's not the type of dog you'd think could due to how tough they are and how high-strung they are, but they are actually very good at it. Catching and killing, fending off predators, being fairly fast, being efficient at killing, cutting your losses... those are all things an Airedale can do. Its energy output vs energy input is problematic but evidently several months isn't gonna kill an Airedale - http://instagram.com/p/CrThtHfuzxS |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 5:20:32 GMT
Thats how i’d rate a lot of dogs, and particularly, Ridgebacks, Airedales, German Shepherds, are all in the category of the outdoorsmen dog breeds i’d say if I had to give them, but slapping one specialized role on them is inaccurate. Like you said, they are intelligent, they know what they're doing, they're smart, they can do just about everything, they have a lot of energy, they can get by with all sorts of environments, won't do something stupid and get themselves killed (airedale is a "probably won't"), can interact with other animals safely, and are just as tough as any other non-bull dog. As for German Shepherds, they’re alien yet applicable too. They are in the category of herders which makes them specialized wolfy ranchers, but nobody uses them for herding much longer so that category has been limited. Great trailers for outdoorsmen, along with just a general buddy, and great hunting dog depending on who you ask, (do not get one as a gun dog) along with working in other unrelated categories such as Schutzhund. For Airedales, they just have been used for a lot of outdoor activities, making them extremely versatile and can be used for almost anything. They’re cool and tough dogs too, many Airedale owners will tell you how great of trailers they are for hunting. They’re also very efficient survivalists, as shown in a study examining free-roaming and feral dogs and their predation on white-tailed deer in Minnesota - (https://digitalcommons.morris.umn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1492&context=jmas) Use em’ on anything and they’ll find a way. For Rhodesian Ridgebacks, this is pretty obvious. They have been used in many tasks involving how to survive in the outdoors, like how to deal with big cats safely without being killed. They did not kill lions, thats the biggest myth out there. However, they did know how to be rough curs of lions until the human could arrive. They’re like a weird mix of everything too in that matter, like a scenthound, like a sighthound, like a cur, like a bulldog, they can practically do it all. Almost all of these dogs have retained a lot of their wolf traits too, since their specialization of how to deal with certain elements of the wild has given them an advantage. Granted, most dogs could but these are specialized mostly. Airedales can survive. It's not the type of dog you'd think could due to how tough they are and how high-strung they are, but they are actually very good at it. Catching and killing, fending off predators, being fairly fast, being efficient at killing, cutting your losses... those are all things an Airedale can do. Its energy output vs energy input is problematic but evidently several months isn't gonna kill an Airedale - http://instagr.am/p/CrThtHfuzxS I think years is more accurate here, but yes. They’re everything at once and that makes them survivalists. |
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Post by Bolushi on May 4, 2023 5:54:23 GMT
Airedales can survive. It's not the type of dog you'd think could due to how tough they are and how high-strung they are, but they are actually very good at it. Catching and killing, fending off predators, being fairly fast, being efficient at killing, cutting your losses... those are all things an Airedale can do. Its energy output vs energy input is problematic but evidently several months isn't gonna kill an Airedale - http://instagr.am/p/CrThtHfuzxS I think years is more accurate here, but yes. They’re everything at once and that makes them survivalists. The IG post was of an airedale that survived several months in the bush. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 0:08:32 GMT
I still see no conclusive post.
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