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Post by Bolushi on Jul 25, 2023 0:46:15 GMT
I still see no conclusive post. I think the Airedale won, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 2:10:15 GMT
I used to think it was the GSD but I’m leaning APBT now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 23:24:59 GMT
Border CollieBody-Skin durability - 45 feet durability - 88 Bone durability - 45 Skull durability - 45 Coat durability - 45 Muscle/fat durability - 50 Agility - 99 Jumping - 98 Flexibility - 85 Explosivity - 65 Power - 40 Power-to-Weight - 50 Endurance - 98 Energy - 99 Height/Length - 50 Mass - 50 "Fuel" Economy - 99 Pain tolerance - 40 Cold tolerance - 89 Heat tolerance - 89 Running-Top speed - 91 Acceleration - 94 Sprint sustenation - 93 Lateral Movement - 99 Long distance - 95 Mouth-Snap force - 50 Crush force - 45 Tooth penetration - 45 Grip strength - 45 Grip stamina - 55 Grip weight - 40 Shake vigour - 85 Slashing damage - 68 Bite accuracy - 96 Bite speed/reflex - 98 Senses-Near sight - 93 Far sight - 97 Near scent - 75 Far scent - 65 Fresh scent - 75 Cold scent - 65 Ground scent - 60 Air scent - 77 Hearing acuity - 97 Mental-Problem solving - 99 Trainability - 99 Determination - 80 Independence - 75 Courage - 60 Docility - 65 Affability - 99 Composure - 85 selflessness - 94 Decisiveness - 95 Perception - 98 Alertness - 99 Social skills - 88 Bush Smarts - 65 Killer instinct - 30 Self preservation - 88 Overall74.8 Any difference between Rough and Border Collies? Border Collies seem to get all the praise. I'm aware that some Rough Collies have shyed away from herding and have stepped into becoming show dogs. Maybe it's just me but based off of their bauplan I'd guess they were "less" athletic...? But maybe better in colder temperatures?? Could be full of shit though. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 29, 2023 23:49:11 GMT
Yeah I guess the main difference is the border collie was more recently a real working dog (and you could kind of say many still are). Each got snatched from the fields and made into show dogs at different times, I think rough and smooth collies both were among the first recognised breeds and first show dogs, made into breeds in the late 1800s. Working collies continued working, and then they were made into another breed- the border collie, in 1976. Of course, real working collies still continue, and in 50 years you could probably make them into another breed. Right now, many still resemble border collies.
But fundamentally they are deep down kind of the same dog. Ditto for the australian shepherd and english shepherd, both (confusingly) american breeds which descend from the working collie. That's how breeds work- there's always a pool of real working dogs, then someone says "hey, look at those" and takes some and makes a breed. They have their own take on it and it turns into something, but the working pool continues. Eventually the breed that got made might no longer even look like the working pool, and then someone comes along and sees the working pool and thinks it is a distinct breed all over again and makes a new version. The breeds are all merely "tributes" to the working pool, and they differ from one another even if they come from the same pool just because the different breeders have a different take on the concept. The original working pool would have been varied, not homogenous, so there are many different visual options for the breed creator to focus on as their standardised form.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 18:41:38 GMT
Finnish Lapphund trumps all by a massive margin.
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Post by ophio on Oct 17, 2023 18:44:54 GMT
Saint Bernard easily. These dogs literally find and dig people out of the snow in subzero weather in treacherous terrain...
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 17, 2023 19:39:05 GMT
These days I have stopped fighting it and kind of consider the bull arab my favourite breed. I used to say I prefer non breeds and have to try and explain performance bred mongrels, but I think the bull arab maintains a really high average competitive with performance bred mongrel lineages, and I have grown to love the pointer influence specifically. It is also nice to be able to cleanly state a favourite breed (even if unrecognised). It might be a step backwards in some ways, because real dog men don't focus on breeds. That is kind of basic bitch shit, but I have to deal with basic bitches so... its nice. I'm also a bit of a basic bitch and need to study up a bit on the bull arab lineages to be really sure which one I like best- Klement, Anderson, Cauchi, Paulsen, Fortini, Warrego, McCann, Caldow, Evans, Leonardi or Campbell (these are the older foundation lines). You could even add the Bullzon IMO as a lineage of Arab going back to the beginning, and also my Step-grandfather's/cousin's line. Bullzons never get called bull arabs though, and my family's line never were called bull arabs until about 2010 when my cousin took over and just figured they were the same (and was dumbly kind of correct). I'm not totally clear how each line differs, to figure it out you need to be like sherlock holmes because the community aren't great at communicating. Also they all trade dogs and freely mix them so... (except the Bullzon breeder, I think out of principle/stubbornness he avoids mixing with other lines). Anyway, that is my favourite breed- and the reason is the balance of speed, stamina, strength, full hardness but good agility and footwork, high hunt drive, good nose, good heat tolerance. Quiet, low key and easy to own, submissive to their owner and friendly/non-dog aggressive, but tough if they need to be. Etc etc. Everything I care about is kind of perfectly just right in the BA, and I think its because the animal I am is a hominid that is supposed to go hand in hand with such a dog. Like Placerias and Skate go together in Dino Riders   If you could buy me I would come with a bull arab. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 20:23:19 GMT
Finnish Lapphund
Body-
Skin durability 100
feet durability 100
Bone durability 100
Skull durability 100
Coat durability 100
Muscle/fat durability 100
Agility 100
Jumping 100
Flexibility 100
Explosivity 100
Power 100
Power-to-Weight 100
Endurance 100
Energy 100
Height/Length 100
Mass 100
"Fuel" Economy 100
Pain tolerance 100
Cold tolerance 100
Heat tolerance 100
Running-
Top speed 100
Acceleration 100
Sprint sustenation 100
Lateral Movement 100
Long distance 100
Mouth-
Snap force 100
Crush force 100
Tooth penetration 100
Grip strength 100
Grip stamina 100
Grip weight 100
Shake vigour 100
Slashing damage 100
Bite accuracy 100
Bite speed/reflex 100
Senses-
Near sight 100
Far sight 100
Near scent 100
Far scent 100
Fresh scent 100
Cold scent 100
Ground scent 100
Air scent 100
Hearing acuity 100
Mental-
Problem solving 100
Trainability 100
Determination 100
Independence 100
Courage 100
Docility 100
Affability 100
Composure 100
selflessness 100
Decisiveness 100
Perception 100
Alertness 100
Social skills 100
Bush Smarts 100
Killer instinct 100
Self preservation 100
Average - 100
Finnish lapphund wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 20:35:46 GMT
What would you actually give a finnish lapphund though?
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 17, 2023 20:36:54 GMT
You know the Karelian Bear dog is Finnish too right? Lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 20:42:01 GMT
Yeah, I do, I just like lapphunds more.
We're also the home of Seskar Seal Dogs, Tamaskans, Karelo-finnish Laika, Lapponian Herders, Finnish Hounds, and Finnish Spitz.
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 17, 2023 20:43:37 GMT
What would you actually give a finnish lapphund though? I'm quite unfamiliar with it to be honest. At superficial glance it almost looks like a pomeranian (which would be bad), but doing a little reading I realise that is a mistake and it is a fairly serious little dog. Almost like scandinavia's answer to the shiba inu or jindo. They say it is powerfully built, agile, rugged and hardy, so pretty cool, but don't think I could give a meaningful score for a lot of those categories. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 17, 2023 20:45:51 GMT
Yeah, I do, I just like lapphunds more. We're also the home of Seskar Seal Dogs, Tamaskans, Karelo-finnish Laika, Lapponian Herders, Finnish Hounds, and Finnish Spitz. Of those I like the Karelian bear dog and karelo-finnish laika, personally. And finnish spitz looks ok too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 21:05:21 GMT
What would you actually give a finnish lapphund though? I'm quite unfamiliar with it to be honest. At superficial glance it almost looks like a pomeranian (which would be bad), but doing a little reading I realise that is a mistake and it is a fairly serious little dog. Almost like scandinavia's answer to the shiba inu or jindo. They say it is powerfully built, agile, rugged and hardy, so pretty cool, but don't think I could give a meaningful score for a lot of those categories. "HaRdCaStLe KnOwS a LoT AbOuT dOgS" The most similar dog IMO is the german shepherd, the lapphund is just better adapted to the cold, and a little bit smaller. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 17, 2023 21:23:32 GMT
Seems a lot smaller dude, gives toy vibes-  Which may be decieving, as they are for the shiba inu and many terriers and even say corgis, lancashire heelers and shetland sheepdogs, but still.... german shepherd? lol And the fact I'm admitting I don't know about it is how you can be confident that when I say I know, I mean it. |
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