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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 23:17:04 GMT
A feral dog is a dog that lives in the wild that descends from domesticated dogs but acts like a wild canid. Not to be confused with strays, who are merely lost or ownerless dogs. These dogs are experienced and like their ancestor, hunt big game and small game and scavenge when necessary. These dogs become extremely experienced in hunting to where there are many scientific studies on this. These dogs can live in packs or be solo. Like wolves, these dogs are mostly monogamous. Though, they still have 2 breeding seasons. They have amazing endurance and can run marathons and can vary, but most end up looking like wolves. They also compete with other predators, but mainly other canids like coyotes. These dogs are most resemblant of their wild ancestor when they are feral, the wolf. And like the wolf they also have persecution by ranchers. They are extremely scrappy happy and dominant with each other, according to studies. They can either fight or lose against other dogs. Their fights can wage into wars. Many researchers ( Hardcastle and Bolushi should see this part) like Coppinger and others make a mistake and study the wrong populations of feral dogs. Thats why their studies make them out to be loose transitory scavengers. In reality these are village dogs, which are not representing all populations of feral dogs. The feral dogs in other countries have peer-reviewed scientific studies and constant evidence even in 2023 now that feral dogs are marathon running scrappy hunters that humans can’t seem to eradicate. To eradicate all feral domestic animals we would have to first erase our domestic animals, or act like a zoo with strict supervision on all farmers. Feral dogs share an extreme resemblance to their wild ancestor, the wolf, especially since they live in the wild. Specialized dogs also have it, in fact, have one wolf trait they act on. Herding dogs and Curs come from wolves working herds, Livestock Guardian Dogs come from wolves guarding and protecting their territory, Sighthounds come from pursuing their prey, etc. etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 23:27:36 GMT
A feral dog is a dog that lives in the wild that descends from domesticated dogs but acts like a wild canid. Not to be confused with strays, who are merely lost or ownerless dogs. These dogs are experienced and like their ancestor, hunt big game and small game and scavenge when necessary. These dogs become extremely experienced in hunting to where there are many scientific studies on this. These dogs can live in packs or be solo. Like wolves, these dogs are mostly monogamous. Though, they still have 2 breeding seasons. They have amazing endurance and can run marathons and can vary, but most end up looking like wolves. They also compete with other predators, but mainly other canids like coyotes. These dogs are most resemblant of their wild ancestor when they are feral, the wolf. And like the wolf they also have persecution by ranchers. They are extremely scrappy happy and dominant with each other, according to studies. They can either fight or lose against other dogs. Their fights can wage into wars. Many researchers ( Hardcastle and Bolushi should see this part) like Coppinger and others make a mistake and study the wrong populations of feral dogs. Thats why their studies make them out to be loose transitory scavengers. In reality these are village dogs, which are not representing all populations of feral dogs. The feral dogs in other countries have peer-reviewed scientific studies and constant evidence even in 2023 now that feral dogs are marathon running scrappy hunters that humans can’t seem to eradicate. To eradicate all feral domestic animals we would have to first erase our domestic animals, or act like a zoo with strict supervision on all farmers. Feral dogs share an extreme resemblance to their wild ancestor, the wolf, especially since they live in the wild. Specialized dogs also have it, in fact, have one wolf trait they act on. Herding dogs and Curs come from wolves working herds, Livestock Guardian Dogs come from wolves guarding and protecting their territory, Sighthounds come from pursuing their prey, etc. etc. Yeah we know what a feral dog is retard. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 23:30:34 GMT
A feral dog is a dog that lives in the wild that descends from domesticated dogs but acts like a wild canid. Not to be confused with strays, who are merely lost or ownerless dogs. These dogs are experienced and like their ancestor, hunt big game and small game and scavenge when necessary. These dogs become extremely experienced in hunting to where there are many scientific studies on this. These dogs can live in packs or be solo. Like wolves, these dogs are mostly monogamous. Though, they still have 2 breeding seasons. They have amazing endurance and can run marathons and can vary, but most end up looking like wolves. They also compete with other predators, but mainly other canids like coyotes. These dogs are most resemblant of their wild ancestor when they are feral, the wolf. And like the wolf they also have persecution by ranchers. They are extremely scrappy happy and dominant with each other, according to studies. They can either fight or lose against other dogs. Their fights can wage into wars. Many researchers ( Hardcastle and Bolushi should see this part) like Coppinger and others make a mistake and study the wrong populations of feral dogs. Thats why their studies make them out to be loose transitory scavengers. In reality these are village dogs, which are not representing all populations of feral dogs. The feral dogs in other countries have peer-reviewed scientific studies and constant evidence even in 2023 now that feral dogs are marathon running scrappy hunters that humans can’t seem to eradicate. To eradicate all feral domestic animals we would have to first erase our domestic animals, or act like a zoo with strict supervision on all farmers. Feral dogs share an extreme resemblance to their wild ancestor, the wolf, especially since they live in the wild. Specialized dogs also have it, in fact, have one wolf trait they act on. Herding dogs and Curs come from wolves working herds, Livestock Guardian Dogs come from wolves guarding and protecting their territory, Sighthounds come from pursuing their prey, etc. etc. Yeah we know what a feral dog is retard. Fuck off you useless sack of yanky danky shit. I made this for Bolushi. Also the big game thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 23:32:13 GMT
Yeah we know what a feral dog is retard. Fuck off you useless sack of yanky danky shit. I made this for Bolushi. Also the big game thread. Bolushi knows what a feral dog is too bullshitter. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 23, 2023 0:07:22 GMT
Some good points Wyatt. I own Coppinger's most noteworthy book - "Dogs: A Startling New Understanding of Canine Origin, Behavior, and Evolution." and the pervading theme is that dogs are pathetic and wolves are cool, basically. I will say, he is the one who taught me the interesting fact that actually 80% of the earth's dog population are not owned by anyone and respond to humans either with avoidance or aggression. That comes in handy for setting people straight who think of dogs as cute pets. Most of his talking points however are geared towards downplaying dogs as less than their noble wild counterparts, and basically portraying them as cute pets. Which I think is a very tired boring narrative no matter who it is coming from. And incorrect.
For such a leading dog expert he also has very very limited knowledge on different types of dogs and different parts of the world. He's almost entirely limited to sled dogs in North America, village dogs in the carribean, and livestock guardians imported to North America. I'd say on those 3 animals he knows a lot, but dogs are more like 27 different animals (functionality wise) and he has a very "yeah yeah whatever" attitude towards the rest (including yes wild feral dogs that hunt big game).
The sad part is this is probably THE leading dog scientist/expert on the planet (or was, he's dead), so... this is what dog fans have to work with. On the other hand, it's quite realistic to aspire to be the leading dog expert on the planet, because the bar is so low.
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 23, 2023 0:09:04 GMT
I feel like the board would be better if we dialled pointless hostility back from a 99 to a 75. This is rich coming from me, I know, but you're supposed to wait until debates get heated and intense before things get hostile. Not just start out that way. There's no where to go from there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 0:32:16 GMT
Fuck off you useless sack of yanky danky shit. I made this for Bolushi. Also the big game thread. Bolushi knows what a feral dog is too bullshitter. No I don't, I need Wyatt's valuable insight. I didn't know this stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 1:33:44 GMT
Some good points Wyatt. I own Coppinger's most noteworthy book - "Dogs: A Startling New Understanding of Canine Origin, Behavior, and Evolution." and the pervading theme is that dogs are pathetic and wolves are cool, basically. I will say, he is the one who taught me the interesting fact that actually 80% of the earth's dog population are not owned by anyone and respond to humans either with avoidance or aggression. That comes in handy for setting people straight who think of dogs as cute pets. Most of his talking points however are geared towards downplaying dogs as less than their noble wild counterparts, and basically portraying them as cute pets. Which I think is a very tired boring narrative no matter who it is coming from. And incorrect. For such a leading dog expert he also has very very limited knowledge on different types of dogs and different parts of the world. He's almost entirely limited to sled dogs in North America, village dogs in the carribean, and livestock guardians imported to North America. I'd say on those 3 animals he knows a lot, but dogs are more like 27 different animals (functionality wise) and he has a very "yeah yeah whatever" attitude towards the rest (including yes wild feral dogs that hunt big game). The sad part is this is probably THE leading dog scientist/expert on the planet (or was, he's dead), so... this is what dog fans have to work with. On the other hand, it's quite realistic to aspire to be the leading dog expert on the planet, because the bar is so low. He pointed towards the village dogs scavenging in dumps and tried to paint that as every feral dog in the world. Despite North America having strict regulations and rules on garbage and garbage dumps. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 23, 2023 3:15:41 GMT
Some good points Wyatt. I own Coppinger's most noteworthy book - "Dogs: A Startling New Understanding of Canine Origin, Behavior, and Evolution." and the pervading theme is that dogs are pathetic and wolves are cool, basically. I will say, he is the one who taught me the interesting fact that actually 80% of the earth's dog population are not owned by anyone and respond to humans either with avoidance or aggression. That comes in handy for setting people straight who think of dogs as cute pets. Most of his talking points however are geared towards downplaying dogs as less than their noble wild counterparts, and basically portraying them as cute pets. Which I think is a very tired boring narrative no matter who it is coming from. And incorrect. For such a leading dog expert he also has very very limited knowledge on different types of dogs and different parts of the world. He's almost entirely limited to sled dogs in North America, village dogs in the carribean, and livestock guardians imported to North America. I'd say on those 3 animals he knows a lot, but dogs are more like 27 different animals (functionality wise) and he has a very "yeah yeah whatever" attitude towards the rest (including yes wild feral dogs that hunt big game). The sad part is this is probably THE leading dog scientist/expert on the planet (or was, he's dead), so... this is what dog fans have to work with. On the other hand, it's quite realistic to aspire to be the leading dog expert on the planet, because the bar is so low. He pointed towards the village dogs scavenging in dumps and tried to paint that as every feral dog in the world. Despite North America having strict regulations and rules on garbage and garbage dumps. He made a lot of mistakes in his quest to portray dogs as "nerfed" wolves. Notoriously he argued that dogs have tiny shrunken wuss heads and wolves have enormous killer heads, and this is because wolves are killers and dogs are (as you say) village scavengers. However, his actual data for this conclusion was comparing the skull of a large timberwolf with an anatolian shepherd and a wolfhound. The 3 skulls were the same size (give or take a cm) but the dogs weighed 50 lbs more. So he argued wolf skulls are just inherently bigger when dogs and wolves are the same size. What he missed in this analysis was how incredibly light wolves are. They have extreme weight-shedding adaptations. So actually the wolf was the same size as the anatolian and the wolfhound, and had a proportionately similar skull. Some may argue - that's not what "proportionately" means, it's always about weight. That's fine, the problem is the assertion was that the "large skull" was an adaptation for killing ability. That really doesn't make sense when you understand the proportionality difference is clearly due to weight shedding for long distance running. If the wolf didn't need to travel 30 miles a day it would weigh similar to an irish wolfhound, and still have the same size head. So it's just incorrect. An error and mischaracterisation made using factual data. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 23, 2023 7:44:18 GMT
Some good points Wyatt. I own Coppinger's most noteworthy book - "Dogs: A Startling New Understanding of Canine Origin, Behavior, and Evolution." and the pervading theme is that dogs are pathetic and wolves are cool, basically. I will say, he is the one who taught me the interesting fact that actually 80% of the earth's dog population are not owned by anyone and respond to humans either with avoidance or aggression. That comes in handy for setting people straight who think of dogs as cute pets. Most of his talking points however are geared towards downplaying dogs as less than their noble wild counterparts, and basically portraying them as cute pets. Which I think is a very tired boring narrative no matter who it is coming from. And incorrect. For such a leading dog expert he also has very very limited knowledge on different types of dogs and different parts of the world. He's almost entirely limited to sled dogs in North America, village dogs in the carribean, and livestock guardians imported to North America. I'd say on those 3 animals he knows a lot, but dogs are more like 27 different animals (functionality wise) and he has a very "yeah yeah whatever" attitude towards the rest (including yes wild feral dogs that hunt big game). The sad part is this is probably THE leading dog scientist/expert on the planet (or was, he's dead), so... this is what dog fans have to work with. On the other hand, it's quite realistic to aspire to be the leading dog expert on the planet, because the bar is so low. Ironic how a lead dog scientist himself does not care about the many breeds of dogs. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 23, 2023 8:07:39 GMT
Yes. You are not alone with your disrespect for dogs, it is almost part of the human condition to disregard and downplay them. They are beloved as cuddle buddies but never taken seriously, not even by leading dog scientists.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 8:58:51 GMT
The reason people see him as an authority on dogs as a whole is because there's nobody else to look towards. It's like if there was only one expert on crocodilians and he only studied gharials but was seen as a crocodilian expert. There's nobody else to choose from.
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 23, 2023 10:18:00 GMT
The reason people see him as an authority on dogs as a whole is because there's nobody else to look towards. It's like if there was only one expert on crocodilians and he only studied gharials but was seen as a crocodilian expert. There's nobody else to choose from. This is true. There really are no other people doing it. He actually did study the performance of different LGDs and graded them on different attributes and etc and wrote a scientific paper on it. No one else takes the performance of working dogs seriously from an academic angle, so he's just all there is, even though his actual knowledge and even interest in working dog variety/performance was insanely limited. It's an un-studied field. This is why I have so brazenly and arrogantly argued I'm the biggest dog expert in the world (specifically in this variety and performance of working dogs field), because even if I'm bad at it I'm the only person even trying (and now you, my young disciple), so by default I win. I'm yet to meet the guy who is even trying or aspiring to be my rival, let alone someone succeeding or surpassing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 0:30:45 GMT
The reason people see him as an authority on dogs as a whole is because there's nobody else to look towards. It's like if there was only one expert on crocodilians and he only studied gharials but was seen as a crocodilian expert. There's nobody else to choose from. This is true. There really are no other people doing it. He actually did study the performance of different LGDs and graded them on different attributes and etc and wrote a scientific paper on it. No one else takes the performance of working dogs seriously from an academic angle, so he's just all there is, even though his actual knowledge and even interest in working dog variety/performance was insanely limited. It's an un-studied field. This is why I have so brazenly and arrogantly argued I'm the biggest dog expert in the world (specifically in this variety and performance of working dogs field), because even if I'm bad at it I'm the only person even trying (and now you, my young disciple), so by default I win. I'm yet to meet the guy who is even trying or aspiring to be my rival, let alone someone succeeding or surpassing. But he also lied about the dogs predatory sequence. He tried to make a chart on how different dogs use predatory sequences and according to him: Herding Dog: Orient—>Eye—>Stalk—>Chase Pointer: Orient—>Eye—>Stalk Gun Dog: —>Orient—>Eye—>Grab-bite Sighthound: —>Orient—Eye—>Stalk—>Chase—>Grab-bite—>Kill-bite—>Dissect—>Consume Terrier: —>Orient—>Eye—>Chase—>Grab-bite—>Kill-bite—>Dissect—>Consume Bulldog: —>Orient—>Eye—>Chase—>GRAB-BITE—> |
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