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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 1, 2023 20:43:29 GMT
Got to revive this thread that was deleted by Wyatt.
Here is what I found on one study in Zimbabwe.
"Nineteen kills of dogs by wild carnivores were reported between January 1993 and June 1996 (Table 3). A further four were reported to have disappeared at night and predation was suspected. Of confirmed kills, leopards were responsible for the most (53%), followed by lions (42%) and spotted hyaenas (5%)."
source: Butler, J. R. A., J. T. Du Toit, and J. Bingham. "Free-ranging domestic dogs (Canis familiaris) as predators and prey in rural Zimbabwe: threats of competition and disease to large wild carnivores." Biological conservation 115, no. 3 (2004): 369-378
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 21:01:40 GMT
Johnson, why is it you never seem to find the easily available pro-dog evidence?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 22:53:57 GMT
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 5, 2023 4:11:59 GMT
Hey Wyatt! Is it possible to give your input since I made this thread based on your original posts? Anyway, Leopard predation on free-ranging dogs in India.  Plate 1 Leopard Panthera pardus fusca preying on a domestic dog that strayed into the boundaries of Jhalana Reserve Forest. Photo: Devam Shah. The Feral Dogs make up a high number of the animals in Jhalana Reserve Forest, so they are the most abundant prey items for Leopards. "Goats and the calves of cattle are available as leopard prey along with domestic dogs, cats and pigs. An estimated population of 36,580 domestic dogs was documented in a 2011 survey in Jaipur (Hiby et al., 2011). This is a sizeable source of potential prey for the leopards.' "Domestic animals comprised the majority of the leopards' prey (89.5% frequency of occurrence): dogs Canis lupus familiaris (44%), cats Felis catus (13%), goats Capra aegagrus hircus (16%) and cattle Bos taurus (15%)." source: Kumbhojkar, Swapnil, Reuven Yosef, Jakub Z. Kosicki, PATRYCJA K. Kwiatkowska, and Piotr Tryjanowski. "Dependence of the leopard Panthera pardus fusca in Jaipur, India, on domestic animals." Oryx 55, no. 5 (2021): 692-698. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 4:19:41 GMT
Hey Wyatt ! Is it possible to give your input since I made this thread based on your original posts? Anyway, Leopard predation on free-ranging dogs in India. Plate 1 Leopard Panthera pardus fusca preying on a domestic dog that strayed into the boundaries of Jhalana Reserve Forest. Photo: Devam Shah. The Feral Dogs make up a high number of the animals in Jhalana Reserve Forest, so they are the most abundant prey items for Leopards. "Goats and the calves of cattle are available as leopard prey along with domestic dogs, cats and pigs. An estimated population of 36,580 domestic dogs was documented in a 2011 survey in Jaipur (Hiby et al., 2011). This is a sizeable source of potential prey for the leopards.' "Domestic animals comprised the majority of the leopards' prey (89.5% frequency of occurrence): dogs Canis lupus familiaris (44%), cats Felis catus (13%), goats Capra aegagrus hircus (16%) and cattle Bos taurus (15%)." source: Kumbhojkar, Swapnil, Reuven Yosef, Jakub Z. Kosicki, PATRYCJA K. Kwiatkowska, and Piotr Tryjanowski. "Dependence of the leopard Panthera pardus fusca in Jaipur, India, on domestic animals." Oryx 55, no. 5 (2021): 692-698. I heard a few years ago about street dog packs which has some good size continental herder-looking dogs in it that would hunt down leopards. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 9:27:24 GMT
Hit the fucking jackpot on this one:  www.cambridge.org/core/journals/oryx/article/freeranging-dogs-as-a-potential-threat-to-iranian-mammals/512AD1D798EDF9DD759D3E2F4FD8E409Some were immature (e.g. the bear for sure) but mostly adults: ''Of these 141 incidents, 90 reported an age class for the killed mammal: in 62 incidents (69%) the killed mammals were adults, and the remainder were reported as immature.'' Most incidents involved a pack of dogs. Seems like the bigger cats that couldn't escape got butchered to death, and they especially hate the Eurasian lynx. The Persian leopards also got kinda fucked but I want to read the circumstances. If they killed an adult or even subadult that'd be something for sure. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 5, 2023 9:36:42 GMT
How about those success rates...
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 5, 2023 10:26:04 GMT
Hit the fucking jackpot on this one: www.cambridge.org/core/journals/oryx/article/freeranging-dogs-as-a-potential-threat-to-iranian-mammals/512AD1D798EDF9DD759D3E2F4FD8E409Some were immature (e.g. the bear for sure) but mostly adults: ''Of these 141 incidents, 90 reported an age class for the killed mammal: in 62 incidents (69%) the killed mammals were adults, and the remainder were reported as immature.'' Most incidents involved a pack of dogs. Seems like the bigger cats that couldn't escape got butchered to death, and they especially hate the Eurasian lynx. The Persian leopards also got kinda fucked but I want to read the circumstances. If they killed an adult or even subadult that'd be something for sure. Lol. That study includes livestock guardián dogs as free-ranging dogs. " In 91 cases (57%) it could be determined that the free- ranging dogs were owned (hunting dogs, 36; livestock guarding dogs, 55), although the owners lacked sufficient control over the dogs to avert the incidents. In other cases, dogs appeared to be unowned. Attacks by hunting dogs ( cases) were generally attributed to hunting by poachers. Attacks typically involved a pack of dogs (Table ), with the number of dogs involved reported for cases. Of these, all but three cases reported . dog. In the cases where a pack size was reported, the mean pack size was . ± SD .." A major source they incorporated for the Leopard said this: " In Golestan villages, however, local dogs fail to deter leopards by running away, barking from afar, retreating and not reacting, and sometimes are killed by leopards (Fig. 3; Khorozyan et al., 2015b)."
"Indeed, in five out of 39 attacks (12.8%) leopards also killed guarding dogs. Although leopards kill guarding dogs in Golestan, the dogs are rarely consumed (Ghoddousi et al., 2016; Sharbafi et al., 2016)." source: KHOROZYAN,I.,SOOFI,M.,SOU FI,M.,HAMI DI,A.K., GH ODDO USI,A. & WALTERT, M. (2017) Effects of shepherds and dogs on livestock depredation by leopards (Panthera pardus) in north-eastern Iran. PeerJ, , e. That being said, I have to check more on this source of feral dogs attacking Leopards. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 22:13:56 GMT
Hit the fucking jackpot on this one: www.cambridge.org/core/journals/oryx/article/freeranging-dogs-as-a-potential-threat-to-iranian-mammals/512AD1D798EDF9DD759D3E2F4FD8E409Some were immature (e.g. the bear for sure) but mostly adults: ''Of these 141 incidents, 90 reported an age class for the killed mammal: in 62 incidents (69%) the killed mammals were adults, and the remainder were reported as immature.'' Most incidents involved a pack of dogs. Seems like the bigger cats that couldn't escape got butchered to death, and they especially hate the Eurasian lynx. The Persian leopards also got kinda fucked but I want to read the circumstances. If they killed an adult or even subadult that'd be something for sure. Lol. That study includes livestock guardián dogs as free-ranging dogs. " In 91 cases (57%) it could be determined that the free- ranging dogs were owned (hunting dogs, 36; livestock guarding dogs, 55), although the owners lacked sufficient control over the dogs to avert the incidents. In other cases, dogs appeared to be unowned. Attacks by hunting dogs ( cases) were generally attributed to hunting by poachers. Attacks typically involved a pack of dogs (Table ), with the number of dogs involved reported for cases. Of these, all but three cases reported . dog. In the cases where a pack size was reported, the mean pack size was . ± SD .." A major source they incorporated for the Leopard said this: " In Golestan villages, however, local dogs fail to deter leopards by running away, barking from afar, retreating and not reacting, and sometimes are killed by leopards (Fig. 3; Khorozyan et al., 2015b)."
"Indeed, in five out of 39 attacks (12.8%) leopards also killed guarding dogs. Although leopards kill guarding dogs in Golestan, the dogs are rarely consumed (Ghoddousi et al., 2016; Sharbafi et al., 2016)." source: KHOROZYAN,I.,SOOFI,M.,SOU FI,M.,HAMI DI,A.K., GH ODDO USI,A. & WALTERT, M. (2017) Effects of shepherds and dogs on livestock depredation by leopards (Panthera pardus) in north-eastern Iran. PeerJ, , e. That being said, I have to check more on this source of feral dogs attacking Leopards. So what? They are free ranging dogs. Nice 12.8% success rate LOL, so the other 88.2% of the time the dog won. Good to know. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 5, 2023 22:19:52 GMT
Lol. That study includes livestock guardián dogs as free-ranging dogs. " In 91 cases (57%) it could be determined that the free- ranging dogs were owned (hunting dogs, 36; livestock guarding dogs, 55), although the owners lacked sufficient control over the dogs to avert the incidents. In other cases, dogs appeared to be unowned. Attacks by hunting dogs ( cases) were generally attributed to hunting by poachers. Attacks typically involved a pack of dogs (Table ), with the number of dogs involved reported for cases. Of these, all but three cases reported . dog. In the cases where a pack size was reported, the mean pack size was . ± SD .." A major source they incorporated for the Leopard said this: " In Golestan villages, however, local dogs fail to deter leopards by running away, barking from afar, retreating and not reacting, and sometimes are killed by leopards (Fig. 3; Khorozyan et al., 2015b)."
"Indeed, in five out of 39 attacks (12.8%) leopards also killed guarding dogs. Although leopards kill guarding dogs in Golestan, the dogs are rarely consumed (Ghoddousi et al., 2016; Sharbafi et al., 2016)." source: KHOROZYAN,I.,SOOFI,M.,SOU FI,M.,HAMI DI,A.K., GH ODDO USI,A. & WALTERT, M. (2017) Effects of shepherds and dogs on livestock depredation by leopards (Panthera pardus) in north-eastern Iran. PeerJ, , e. That being said, I have to check more on this source of feral dogs attacking Leopards. So what? They are free ranging dogs. Nice 12.8% success rate LOL, so the other 88.2% of the time the dog won. Good to know. I highlighted this already. They ran away. " local dogs fail to deter leopards by running away, barking from afar, retreating and not reacting, and sometimes are killed by leopards" |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 23:14:23 GMT
So what? They are free ranging dogs. Nice 12.8% success rate LOL, so the other 88.2% of the time the dog won. Good to know. I highlighted this already. They ran away. " local dogs fail to deter leopards by running away, barking from afar, retreating and not reacting, and sometimes are killed by leopards" Leopards always use ambush, so a dog surviving means the dog won. Also you said they fail to deter leopards, despite their 12.8% success rate that says otherwise. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 5, 2023 23:33:25 GMT
I highlighted this already. They ran away. " local dogs fail to deter leopards by running away, barking from afar, retreating and not reacting, and sometimes are killed by leopards" Leopards always use ambush, so a dog surviving means the dog won. Also you said they fail to deter leopards, despite their 12.8% success rate that says otherwise. Not really. 39 of those attacks were focused on goats and sheep. Only 5 included an uppity dog getting in the way of the Leopard just go be killed. " We obtained and analyzed data on 39 attacks, which included a total loss of 31 sheep and 36 goats in 17 villages" |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 23:38:23 GMT
Leopards always use ambush, so a dog surviving means the dog won. Also you said they fail to deter leopards, despite their 12.8% success rate that says otherwise. Not really. 39 of those attacks were focused on goats and sheep. Only 5 included an uppity dog getting in the way of the Leopard just go be killed. " We obtained and analyzed data on 39 attacks, which included a total loss of 31 sheep and 36 goats in 17 villages" 30lb street dogs indeed may be killed by a leopard. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 5, 2023 23:53:51 GMT
Not really. 39 of those attacks were focused on goats and sheep. Only 5 included an uppity dog getting in the way of the Leopard just go be killed. " We obtained and analyzed data on 39 attacks, which included a total loss of 31 sheep and 36 goats in 17 villages" 30lb street dogs indeed may be killed by a leopard. Cat fans when a sleeping 30 lbs street dog gets ambushed by a leopard-  |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 5, 2023 23:57:29 GMT
Not really. 39 of those attacks were focused on goats and sheep. Only 5 included an uppity dog getting in the way of the Leopard just go be killed. " We obtained and analyzed data on 39 attacks, which included a total loss of 31 sheep and 36 goats in 17 villages" 30lb street dogs indeed may be killed by a leopard. Yes, including Alabais. " a Tush herder reported witnessing a leopard attack and kill his prized Alabai shepherd dog" www.caucasus-naturefund.org/the-persian-leopard-is-back-in-georgia/ |
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