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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 6:53:22 GMT
Yea it's a mismatch at those weights. What do you think about basenji vs coyote at parity (both at 27.5) Hb basenji vs bobcat at 27.5 I'd go basenji. Now the basenji's elite domestic dog attributes can come into play to outfight and kill the coyote a bit more often than not. Basenji over both bobcat and coyote? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 7:11:27 GMT
I'd go basenji. Now the basenji's elite domestic dog attributes can come into play to outfight and kill the coyote a bit more often than not. Basenji over both bobcat and coyote? Bobcat definitely, parity or not. It absolutely chokes it. Bobcat zero chance. Yes, basenji wins over parity coyote. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 1, 2023 9:41:03 GMT
Thanks to Dorado's feats I'm swaying more Basenji now also. I was of the mindset that basenji and coyote are basically equal at parity, but in the past I've given the dingo an edge over the coyote at parity so really I should do the same for the Basenji, and actually... maybe it's even superior to a dingo at parity.
How do we feel about Basenji vs Shiba inu? There's a good parity matchup. Both basically pariahs but JUST a little scrappier than they should be (it seems).
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Post by theundertaker45 on Feb 1, 2023 10:12:39 GMT
BolushiThose huge northern coyotes are about 66cm at the shoulder; I've read that those in the South are significantly smaller, haven't properly looked into their weight but if the 11.5kg figure is correct, you'll end up at 56cm. It's astonishing to see that those large coyotes basically have the frame of an African wild dog but are so much lighter. That really shows you that even in lanky wild canids you'll be able to distinguish between many different bulk levels.
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 1, 2023 11:08:39 GMT
BolushiThose huge northern coyotes are about 66cm at the shoulder; I've read that those in the South are significantly smaller, haven't properly looked into their weight but if the 11.5kg figure is correct, you'll end up at 56cm. It's astonishing to see that those large coyotes basically have the frame of an African wild dog but are so much lighter. That really shows you that even in lanky wild canids you'll be able to distinguish between many different bulk levels. Very interesting topic... I don't have time to post properly right now but have a lot to say... just putting a pin in this for now. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2023 3:18:30 GMT
Bolushi Those huge northern coyotes are about 66cm at the shoulder; I've read that those in the South are significantly smaller, haven't properly looked into their weight but if the 11.5kg figure is correct, you'll end up at 56cm. It's astonishing to see that those large coyotes basically have the frame of an African wild dog but are so much lighter. That really shows you that even in lanky wild canids you'll be able to distinguish between many different bulk levels. I think we'd need a california coyote to make it an even match. Males only average 28 pounds |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2023 3:19:42 GMT
Thanks to Dorado's feats I'm swaying more Basenji now also. I was of the mindset that basenji and coyote are basically equal at parity, but in the past I've given the dingo an edge over the coyote at parity so really I should do the same for the Basenji, and actually... maybe it's even superior to a dingo at parity. How do we feel about Basenji vs Shiba inu? There's a good parity matchup. Both basically pariahs but JUST a little scrappier than they should be (it seems). Are shibas that impressive? They seemed like a meme cryptobro dog. I think dingos should be above most dogs at parity because their skull is proportionally broader |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 4, 2023 5:58:04 GMT
Thanks to Dorado's feats I'm swaying more Basenji now also. I was of the mindset that basenji and coyote are basically equal at parity, but in the past I've given the dingo an edge over the coyote at parity so really I should do the same for the Basenji, and actually... maybe it's even superior to a dingo at parity. How do we feel about Basenji vs Shiba inu? There's a good parity matchup. Both basically pariahs but JUST a little scrappier than they should be (it seems). Are shibas that impressive? They seemed like a meme cryptobro dog. I think dingos should be above most dogs at parity because their skull is proportionally broader Well doge memes came after Shiba inus were developed in the Jomon Period of prehistoric Japan to hunt thick cover in mountainous terrain. So I dunno... I'm gonna think of them from that angle. To me they are very much like fluffy basenjis. In fact if anything I suspect it's an uninteresting matchup because they're basically the same thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2023 6:40:11 GMT
Are shibas that impressive? They seemed like a meme cryptobro dog. I think dingos should be above most dogs at parity because their skull is proportionally broader Well doge memes came after Shiba inus were developed in the Jomon Period of prehistoric Japan to hunt thick cover in mountainous terrain. So I dunno... I'm gonna think of them from that angle. To me they are very much like fluffy basenjis. In fact if anything I suspect it's an uninteresting matchup because they're basically the same thing. Do we have any shiba feats? Shibas do have a good size advantage. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 4, 2023 6:47:27 GMT
Well doge memes came after Shiba inus were developed in the Jomon Period of prehistoric Japan to hunt thick cover in mountainous terrain. So I dunno... I'm gonna think of them from that angle. To me they are very much like fluffy basenjis. In fact if anything I suspect it's an uninteresting matchup because they're basically the same thing. Do we have any shiba feats? Shibas do have a good size advantage. They weigh the same? The basenji is officially listed as a lbs heavier in fact; 23 lbs for the shiba and 24 lbs for the Basenji. I'd say they are the same size and probably actually reach 25 lbs regularly enough. I don't have a list of feats to combat those basenji feats, but I don't think I have that for any dog. We can believe the basenji is a super dog, OR go with just being lucky to have a forum of basenji owners where some are having that discussion. I lean towards the latter. Over the decades I've seen/read some things which lead me to believe Shibas also "punch above their weight" a little, and logically my knowledge of dogs dictates they are really the same thing for all intents and purposes. I like the basenji better btw, but realistically I doubt there's a big difference in ability. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 4, 2023 7:33:49 GMT
BolushiThose huge northern coyotes are about 66cm at the shoulder; I've read that those in the South are significantly smaller, haven't properly looked into their weight but if the 11.5kg figure is correct, you'll end up at 56cm. It's astonishing to see that those large coyotes basically have the frame of an African wild dog but are so much lighter. That really shows you that even in lanky wild canids you'll be able to distinguish between many different bulk levels. This is interesting to me because I speculated AWDS and Dholes would weigh more at equal height relative to wolves and coyotes (and jackals and etc). Based on the explosive athleticism/acceleration advantage I perceive (purely eye test, admittedly) dholes and AWDs having over wolves and coyotes. This made me assume they'd have denser heavier muscle (and possibly more muscle mass), plus there is a slight bone robusticity advantage in the bone robusticity study (AWD with 8.2 ml% for the humerus, vs 7.85 ml% for grey wolf and 8.02 for coyote). I believe cuon alpinus is not known? But being shorter, and btw arguably less long-range than the AWD ... we may see a bump up from AWD similar to the bump from wolf to coyote, maybe greater. But, all that said, this speculative theory kind of fizzled out for me when I started doing research for my optimal dog weights thread. It SEEMS to me that AWDs and wolves maybe weigh a similar amount, by my best research and calculations it seemed 30 inch wolves probably weigh around 80 lbs and max AWDs around 30" also seem to achieve that weight. Now... my calculations can definitely be off and wrong, in fact I really struggle to see how they couldn't be. An AWD really SHOULD weigh more than a wolf of equal dimensions from basically every angle of enquiry. Especially lifestyle and the adaptations that should be associated with those differences. |
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