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Post by lincoln on Jan 30, 2023 15:56:06 GMT
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Post by lincoln on Jan 30, 2023 15:57:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 18:55:15 GMT
When in doubt, vote against bobcat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 19:15:30 GMT
A bobcat is a buzzsaw with 4 legs and a very bad attitude, so I voted for it. I haven't got a clue what in the hell a fossa is. I never even heard of it until I found this place.
Knowing you guys, a fossa is something y'all just made up to keep things interesting. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 19:39:38 GMT
A bobcat is a buzzsaw with 4 legs and a very bad attitude, so I voted for it. I haven't got a clue what in the hell a fossa is. I never even heard of it until I found this place. Knowing you guys, a fossa is something y'all just made up to keep things interesting. lol Bobcats get killed by mediocre scenthounds www.biggamehoundsmen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16544They're seen even lower than raccoons by the dogs who at least may get the courtesy of a bay, and then coyotes definitely get the courtesy most of the time. You may reasonably say they use packs and of course the bobcat has no chance, but for something with buzz saws the wussiest dogs in the dog kingdom should respect them regardless right? They respect raccoons and coyotes... They're insanely fragile small game specialists, and if I ever have to vote bobcat vs similarly sized carnivore I'll be voting against the bobcat. The fossa is some lemur hunting guy from Madagascar AND it has actual stamina too so it'll win just about every time. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Jan 30, 2023 19:50:02 GMT
Are Bobcats really that weak?
The Eurasian Lynx is just in a completely different class since they can actually fight with other animals and even kill dogs.
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Post by lincoln on Jan 30, 2023 19:55:08 GMT
A bobcat is a buzzsaw with 4 legs and a very bad attitude, so I voted for it. I haven't got a clue what in the hell a fossa is. I never even heard of it until I found this place. Knowing you guys, a fossa is something y'all just made up to keep things interesting. lol You don’t what a fossa is? Is it really this unknown? My Zoology teacher didn’t know what it was either |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 20:02:59 GMT
Are Bobcats really that weak? The Eurasian Lynx is just in a completely different class since they can actually fight with other animals and even kill dogs. Bobcats are supposed to surpass lynxes pound for pound, but the Eurasian lynx is much larger and pound for pound tougher than the Canadian lynx. So they can kill dogs, yes. I've seen bobcats in person, they have problems with stray cats. Plenty of them have wounds from bobcat encounters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 20:03:25 GMT
A bobcat is a buzzsaw with 4 legs and a very bad attitude, so I voted for it. I haven't got a clue what in the hell a fossa is. I never even heard of it until I found this place. Knowing you guys, a fossa is something y'all just made up to keep things interesting. lol You don’t what a fossa is? Is it really this unknown? My Zoology teacher didn’t know what it was either Anyone who's watched Wild Kratts knows. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Jan 30, 2023 20:06:12 GMT
A bobcat is a buzzsaw with 4 legs and a very bad attitude, so I voted for it. I haven't got a clue what in the hell a fossa is. I never even heard of it until I found this place. Knowing you guys, a fossa is something y'all just made up to keep things interesting. lol There is an actual animal called the Fossa. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossa_(animal)It was featured as the main antagonist of the movie 'Madagascar'. Maybe your younger relatives may have seen the movie? |
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Post by lincoln on Jan 30, 2023 20:07:46 GMT
You don’t what a fossa is? Is it really this unknown? My Zoology teacher didn’t know what it was either Anyone who's watched Wild Kratts knows. Yes, there needs to be more cartoons like that |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 23:49:12 GMT
A bobcat is a buzzsaw with 4 legs and a very bad attitude, so I voted for it. I haven't got a clue what in the hell a fossa is. I never even heard of it until I found this place. Knowing you guys, a fossa is something y'all just made up to keep things interesting. lol Bobcats get killed by mediocre scenthounds www.biggamehoundsmen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16544They're seen even lower than raccoons by the dogs who at least may get the courtesy of a bay, and then coyotes definitely get the courtesy most of the time. You may reasonably say they use packs and of course the bobcat has no chance, but for something with buzz saws the wussiest dogs in the dog kingdom should respect them regardless right? They respect raccoons and coyotes... They're insanely fragile small game specialists, and if I ever have to vote bobcat vs similarly sized carnivore I'll be voting against the bobcat. The fossa is some lemur hunting guy from Madagascar AND it has actual stamina too so it'll win just about every time. From your link: "I have bobcat dogs but a few times over the years they have trashed on me and caught coyotes. I am sure it will vary with different areas and such but the coyotes didn't leave a scratch. In my opinion a decent sized bobcat is a whole lot tougher than a coyote. It will also depend on where they catch at, bobcats like culverts and holes, it makes it harder on dogs to get in there. The coyotes that I have caught were in fairly open places. by cat and bear » Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:32 pm A cat especially a big tom, will make any dog back up, they will grab on underneath their chest, and put a locking grip on a dog, or be on their head before the dog knows what happended, a caught coyote in my opinion isnt even close. cats are fast and tough, in a scrap. orbowhunter1971 They can be very tough, due to their outstanding agility, speed, and ability to latch onto a dog. The worst thing is the infections they cause when they bite a dog. Most bobcat hunters keep meds with them if their dogs get bitten by a cat because the infection can spread very rapidly." Keep in mind bobcats are small, a large male cat might only be around 25 pounds depending on where they are at and females are even smaller at around 15 pounds. Eastern coyotes tend to be a lot larger too so naturally they would be tougher. They tend to have some sexual dimorphism too where females are mostly small game hunters and only the males would take out deer. Afaik these hunting dogs are all easily over 50 pounds, some over 70. Frankly even if it was one on one, the bobcat would stand little chance against a dog 2-4x its size. Id favor the bobcat here against the fossa because of its athleticm and also longer limbs that would help it in a grappling match |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 0:03:26 GMT
Bobcats get killed by mediocre scenthounds www.biggamehoundsmen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16544They're seen even lower than raccoons by the dogs who at least may get the courtesy of a bay, and then coyotes definitely get the courtesy most of the time. You may reasonably say they use packs and of course the bobcat has no chance, but for something with buzz saws the wussiest dogs in the dog kingdom should respect them regardless right? They respect raccoons and coyotes... They're insanely fragile small game specialists, and if I ever have to vote bobcat vs similarly sized carnivore I'll be voting against the bobcat. The fossa is some lemur hunting guy from Madagascar AND it has actual stamina too so it'll win just about every time. From your link: "I have bobcat dogs but a few times over the years they have trashed on me and caught coyotes. I am sure it will vary with different areas and such but the coyotes didn't leave a scratch. In my opinion a decent sized bobcat is a whole lot tougher than a coyote. It will also depend on where they catch at, bobcats like culverts and holes, it makes it harder on dogs to get in there. The coyotes that I have caught were in fairly open places. by cat and bear » Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:32 pm A cat especially a big tom, will make any dog back up, they will grab on underneath their chest, and put a locking grip on a dog, or be on their head before the dog knows what happended, a caught coyote in my opinion isnt even close. cats are fast and tough, in a scrap. orbowhunter1971 They can be very tough, due to their outstanding agility, speed, and ability to latch onto a dog. The worst thing is the infections they cause when they bite a dog. Most bobcat hunters keep meds with them if their dogs get bitten by a cat because the infection can spread very rapidly." Keep in mind bobcats are small, a large male cat might only be around 25 pounds depending on where they are at and females are even smaller at around 15 pounds. Eastern coyotes tend to be a lot larger too so naturally they would be tougher. They tend to have some sexual dimorphism too where females are mostly small game hunters and only the males would take out deer. Afaik these hunting dogs are all easily over 50 pounds, some over 70. Frankly even if it was one on one, the bobcat would stand little chance against a dog 2-4x its size. Id favor the bobcat here against the fossa because of its athleticm and also longer limbs that would help it in a grappling match Only the first guy would know. Yes, culverts and holes are where bobcats are most dangerous. Coyotes are around 45lbs, male bobcats are around 25lbs. The dogs are around 60lbs. Side by side you wouldn't be whining about the size difference as bobcats and coyotes are light and will look closer to the dog's size. One on one they all lose, but the one who warrants the least caution is the bobcat. Against the wussiest dogs in the dog kingdom. I mean... we're not talking about spitz or curs, we're talking about an animal who will stand around barking and nipping a 20lb raccoon. And yet a 20-25lb bobcat is easy money and dies instantaneously when assailed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 0:16:35 GMT
From your link: "I have bobcat dogs but a few times over the years they have trashed on me and caught coyotes. I am sure it will vary with different areas and such but the coyotes didn't leave a scratch. In my opinion a decent sized bobcat is a whole lot tougher than a coyote. It will also depend on where they catch at, bobcats like culverts and holes, it makes it harder on dogs to get in there. The coyotes that I have caught were in fairly open places. by cat and bear » Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:32 pm A cat especially a big tom, will make any dog back up, they will grab on underneath their chest, and put a locking grip on a dog, or be on their head before the dog knows what happended, a caught coyote in my opinion isnt even close. cats are fast and tough, in a scrap. orbowhunter1971 They can be very tough, due to their outstanding agility, speed, and ability to latch onto a dog. The worst thing is the infections they cause when they bite a dog. Most bobcat hunters keep meds with them if their dogs get bitten by a cat because the infection can spread very rapidly." Keep in mind bobcats are small, a large male cat might only be around 25 pounds depending on where they are at and females are even smaller at around 15 pounds. Eastern coyotes tend to be a lot larger too so naturally they would be tougher. They tend to have some sexual dimorphism too where females are mostly small game hunters and only the males would take out deer. Afaik these hunting dogs are all easily over 50 pounds, some over 70. Frankly even if it was one on one, the bobcat would stand little chance against a dog 2-4x its size. Id favor the bobcat here against the fossa because of its athleticm and also longer limbs that would help it in a grappling match Only the first guy would know. Yes, culverts and holes are where bobcats are most dangerous. Coyotes are around 45lbs, male bobcats are around 25lbs. The dogs are around 60lbs. Side by side you wouldn't be whining about the size difference as bobcats and coyotes are light and will look closer to the dog's size. One on one they all lose, but the one who warrants the least caution is the bobcat. Against the wussiest dogs in the dog kingdom. I mean... we're not talking about spitz or curs, we're talking about an animal who will stand around barking and nipping a 20lb raccoon. And yet a 20-25lb bobcat is easy money and dies instantaneously when assailed. I don't think any of these three guys are saying bobcats are "easy money" and these three are literally the first three guys in your link. Weight does matter more than visual size because weight determines who will dominate in a grappling match, which is what both the bobcat and dog would try to accomplish, the bobcat with its arms and the dog with its head. Visual size is a positive in that it increases your reach but also a negetive because it increases your "hit box" giving the dog more places to bite. Anecdotally Raccoons have been a problem in my old neighborhood as they have seriously hurt some similarly sized neighborhood dogs and cats and there are plenty of cases online of this occurring. Raccoons also are known to puff up in a threat display to dissuade other predators from attacking such as coyotes and bobcats and presumably dogs. Although coyotes do seem to take small raccoons pretty regularly. Also bobcats do have low stamina so this comment is very interesting "I have caught bobcats in Or.,Wash., Cal., Nevada and Colorado. It does vary with where you are at and the cats are bigger in the Great Lakes area. They say they bay up more there and in the book Traveller by B.S. Jones [ I love the name of the author] he talks of dogs being killed by bobcats in Florida. Our big toms go 26 to 35 lbs here in Western Oregon. I have caught a 30lb tom that the dogs killed without leaving a mark on a dog. They can run themselves out to the point they can not fight. Dewey" As for the actual matchup, at equal lengths, the bobcat should have more robust and longer limbs so it should be able to control a grappling match with the fossa. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 0:37:33 GMT
Ah but they totally are saying that. Many of them. I'm paying attention to the ones with practical experience. Not coyote only hunters giving their opinion like ''Ah a bobcat is like a chainsaw, would slice up a hound real quick!'' etc.
''I will have to differ on this subject.
A coyote is harder to kill
A coyote has to be chocked out finally
A good kill cat dog can kill a cat quick, lot quicker than a coyote.
A cat dog will get a few cuts but, a cat can,t stand to be bitten in the midsection.
A cat dog that is not afraid to get bit or scratched a little will grab the cat take the air right out of them.
Very few straight trail hounds can kill a coyote by them selves.
but a lot can kill a bobcat by them selves. This is on average coyote & average bobcat. 40 lb bobcat can be vrry tough & a 50 lb coyote can be tough. I caught a 62 lb coyote one time.
Just my 2 cents worth''
The same guy goes on to say:
''I am talking one on one
A pack can do it all in short order''
''I remember meeting a bobcat hunter in a breakfast cafe one morning, he was telling me how they have been doing etc, etc, and I was right with him until he told me how those bobcats will lay down and rip a dogs guts out with their hind feet. At that point, I hate to admit it, but I then doubted everything else he had said up to that point. I just have never seen it.
It seems logical, and I have sure had my forearm scratched by a house cat kitty doing that very thing, but I just have never had a dog badly injured by a bobcat. I have had my dogs kill a lot of bobcats on the ground, much to my dismay. Our cat season is snow season, and dont like to put down on a track that wont lead to at least 30 pounds of bobcat.
I cant comment on coyote, because I have never hunted them with dogs. But I will say this; our bobcats get big, but our coons actually can get just as big, and I would rather my dog fight a bobcat to the death, than to fight a coon of similar weight to the death. That dog MIGHT eventually beat the big coon, but the dog will be COMPLETELY exhausted. I have never seen that kind of hunt stopping exhaustion from a bobcat kill.
There is nothing I have hunted that seems as fragile as a bobcat. I wish they did not die so easily. And I wish I could find dogs that could hold a bobcat tightly bayed, but never ever kill it. They are valiant fighters and well equiped with cutting tools, but somehow, just not very tough in my opinion. I wish they were.''
''Hipshooter and David, you guys are certainly correct about the average bobcat being very easily killed by dogs that will FIGHT. Now if your dog just bays and nips he may never get the job done. When a dog gives a deep bite in the chest of the cat the fight is over. Just talking Texas cats now (25-30lbs.)''
''Cats are easy for a hound to kill, except if the cat is in a hole that the hounds can't get to him. A dog that will go in and grab a cat will kill it quickly. A lots of dogs just go in get slapped and back off, that will not kill a cat. I seen many cats killed that have never let a mark on a dog. The bites and cuts will get infected easily. I have caught more coyotes on the ground than I would like to emit to. If the dogs go in and work together they will kill then also. They seem to get hurt a lot more from a coyote. Dewey''
There's more, but the key difference is those people actually know.
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