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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 3:18:15 GMT
Committing suicide is healthy for you.
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 3:30:00 GMT
Here's a little hint - hunters always say cougars go down extremely easily with absolutely zero fight compared to boars and even guanaco and red deer to greyhounds. They think of cougars the same way we Americans think of coyotes. Idgaf lol let em say what ever tf they want. I never said a Puma wouldn't lose to multiple cowardly opponents piling ontop of it. All I was ever here to say was 1 on 1 ain't nobody doing shit and that's it. Leopard's have been killed by single staghounds apperantly, that's a worse "oof" if you ask me. Pumas merk coyotes; also, how many greyhounds we talking here? It takes 3 I think to take a lone wolf I've heard so you'll need more for a puma, and than double that for a big male. A big male puma will have a nice thick neck, with a massive chest and huge forearms about as thick as your calf attached with some nice, sharp claws and a big bulbous head with a huge sagittal crest good for crushing skulls. These dogs don't like pain so I wouldn't be surprised if they failed to get the job done themselves. |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 3:32:24 GMT
Committing suicide is healthy for you. Oxymoronic insult ☝️🤓 |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 3:42:26 GMT
I am going to just cover my eyes and not read the following posts.
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Post by CoolJohnson on Mar 4, 2023 5:19:24 GMT
Wrong. Most pumas have neck girths at 41-49 cm. Leopards usuLly have neck girths at 51-60 cm around the 60-70 kg mark. Their chests may overlap, but there are more leopards with the 86-87 cm chest girths. Also, I am impressed that there is a first confirmed adult kill of a boar, though it is female. It is close, but the leopard has the slight edge for now since there is documentation of killing adult male boars. No, there were multiple males from somewhere in Canada that averaged 54cms in neck size at 64kgs. Of course there are variables but a mature male puma around 60-65kgs is looking to have 48-55cms in neck girth. No male pumas over 70kgs have had their measurements taken. Easily over 60cms as well I'd reckon. I forgot the numbers on the chests, but all I remember was the Puma being superior. That's all. Yes, there's the first "confirmed" case even if the image of the female puma in texas chasing that giant hog and the studies using consistent terminology with adult boar predation being an occurrence but infrequent. But whatever. I'd say 450kg mustangs 350kg bull elk and 700kg bull moose are more impressive but what do I know? Also the video I posted earlier was another adult so we have 2 cases. The is some overlap in chest girth, but the leopard has the greater neck and possibly chest.  MALE LEOPARDS (ages 4-6) Weight: 66.10 kg Neck girth: 53.75 cm Chest girth: 79.10 cm (lowest chest girth was 76 cm)  MALE COUGARS Weight: 63.16 kg Neck girth: 41.45 cm Chest girth: 76.16 cm The video you showed looked like the boar was smaller than the puma, so a sub-adult? Leopards have killed 400+ kg Turkmen horses, 300+ kg Caspian red deer, 400-900 kg eland, and free-ranging cattle. Also, most moose outside Alaska are more in the 300-500 kg department. You mentioned about leopards losing to staghound? I posted about a 30-40 kg sub-adult female leopard killing a similar sized Eurasian wolf in Southern Russia. The leopard's dhole kills are bigger than the puma's coyote kills. There are also accounts of leopards killing bullmastiffs, Irish wolfhounds and etc. |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 5:51:17 GMT
Here's a little hint - hunters always say cougars go down extremely easily with absolutely zero fight compared to boars and even guanaco and red deer to greyhounds. They think of cougars the same way we Americans think of coyotes. Idgaf lol let em say what ever tf they want. I never said a Puma wouldn't lose to multiple cowardly opponents piling ontop of it. All I was ever here to say was 1 on 1 ain't nobody doing shit and that's it. Leopard's have been killed by single staghounds apperantly, that's a worse "oof" if you ask me. Pumas merk coyotes; also, how many greyhounds we talking here? It takes 3 I think to take a lone wolf I've heard so you'll need more for a puma, and than double that for a big male. A big male puma will have a nice thick neck, with a massive chest and huge forearms about as thick as your calf attached with some nice, sharp claws and a big bulbous head with a huge sagittal crest good for crushing skulls. These dogs don't like pain so I wouldn't be surprised if they failed to get the job done themselves. I've never heard of staghounds hunting leopards at all, I've heard of Dogos hunting leopards with like 1 picture which may have involved guns. I've also heard of Boergreyhounds/Maritsanes hunting leopards, but since that's illegal the leopard hunters give a vague "we hunt everything wink wink". Bully Kuttas too, hunt leopards. However they're usually bigger than the leopard and on top of that there is usually 2 or more of them. Depends on the greyhound on the wolf, for rugged hunting greyhounds around 100lbs they'll match a lone wolf pretty good, but most people use like 6, with 2 making first contact. Cougars are easier to take out than wolves, as they topple over easy and end up with a dog stuck to their neck. Patagonian greyhounds can 1v1 cougars and take the W, sometimes. 2-3 just crush the cougar's windpipe. It's not necessarily the wolf being stronger than the cougar (cougar is 15% stronger physically and the wolf plays right into the cat's hands, tries to fight some type of pokemon battle and gives the feline time to think), just the wolf being better at keeping the dogs at bay. Greyhounds do not like pain, there is however a video of 2 greyhounds nailing a subadult cougar on accident during a coyote hunt. Not so flattering for team cougar since its claws should still be plenty sharp and a greyhound should be deterred. The hunters I talk to use Galgo Barbucho Patagonicos, Dogals and Dogo Argentinos to hunt cougars. Only got pictures of the latter 2, there used to be some with the Patagonian Bearded Greyhounds but the guy who posted them deleted them in an argument. I did manage to dig up a few pictures of his dogs hunting guanaco, and got one picture of some lurcher and a cocker spaniel hunting a cougar. Cougars have great crowd control skills if they can outmuscle their opponent, they can at least put up a good show like boars do. Nope, they topple over on their back and get ravaged. Knives aren't even that necessary since they're not as powerful or durable as a boar so cougars, guanacos and red deer stags are usually killed by the dogs. Cougars run to the nearest outcrop they can, and if caught out in the open they've no answer as they are poor fighters. They are meant to fight in an ambush. Imagine Ted Bundy getting tackled by an MMA fighter while searching for teenage girls in a forest. Ted Bundy does not perform very well against the MMA fighter, he gets choked out and dies panicking. Let's say our MMA fighter is 180lbs, and then happens upon a 300lb body guard for a popular artist and tackles him. The body guard was ready for it, shakes him around a fair bit, and they're into it. MMA fighter puts body guard in a headlock and a bystander comes and notices that's the same bodyguard who was fucking his wife so he stabs him in the stomach and he dies. Our MMA fighter also tackles vegan athletes, with similar ease to killing Ted Bundy. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Mar 4, 2023 6:24:17 GMT
Committing suicide is healthy for you. Why do you care this much? Stop pushing people away FFS. Colein can you join so I can block guests again? |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 6:29:52 GMT
Committing suicide is healthy for you. Why do you care this much? Stop pushing people away FFS. Colein can you join so I can block guests again? Disrespecting wild boar and putting their formidability into living in groups, equating a 50lb peccary to a 200lb boar, using 65lb island wolf kills as pro-cougar evidence, pretending canids are cowardly when they can do all that shit alone... All of those, are exceedingly dumb and I dislike talking to brick walls. I mean I went into this a little hostile to begin with from the guy posting a video of a large-ish cougar on trail cam and saying "wow, that's pretty jaguar-like, yeah so a cougar >>>> leopard'' |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 6:56:41 GMT
No, there were multiple males from somewhere in Canada that averaged 54cms in neck size at 64kgs. Of course there are variables but a mature male puma around 60-65kgs is looking to have 48-55cms in neck girth. No male pumas over 70kgs have had their measurements taken. Easily over 60cms as well I'd reckon. I forgot the numbers on the chests, but all I remember was the Puma being superior. That's all. Yes, there's the first "confirmed" case even if the image of the female puma in texas chasing that giant hog and the studies using consistent terminology with adult boar predation being an occurrence but infrequent. But whatever. I'd say 450kg mustangs 350kg bull elk and 700kg bull moose are more impressive but what do I know? Also the video I posted earlier was another adult so we have 2 cases. The is some overlap in chest girth, but the leopard has the greater neck and possibly chest. MALE LEOPARDS (ages 4-6) Weight: 66.10 kg Neck girth: 53.75 cm Chest girth: 79.10 cm (lowest chest girth was 76 cm) MALE COUGARS Weight: 63.16 kg Neck girth: 41.45 cm Chest girth: 76.16 cm The video you showed looked like the boar was smaller than the puma, so a sub-adult? Leopards have killed 400+ kg Turkmen horses, 300+ kg Caspian red deer, 400-900 kg eland, and free-ranging cattle. Also, most moose outside Alaska are more in the 300-500 kg department. You mentioned about leopards losing to staghound? I posted about a 30-40 kg sub-adult female leopard killing a similar sized Eurasian wolf in Southern Russia. The leopard's dhole kills are bigger than the puma's coyote kills. There are also accounts of leopards killing bullmastiffs, Irish wolfhounds and etc. Those weren't the measurements I was talking about. They were from canada, dunno from what province though, they're on carnivora. 76cm chest girth for a 70kg puma- I hope you understand isn't accurate. It's more around 81cms for 64kgs so the measurements might be off just fyi I can post some indian leopard measurements where they fail to reach 50cm neck sizes at over 60kgs, but I have no need. They are similar in neck and chest if we are to use impressive specimens of both. No it didn't, pause the video when the Puma is on the same plane as the Boar and you can see their shoulder heights are similar, indicating an adult boar, plus the scream of the boar has more bass to it... That's an adult. Turkmen horses are kinda lanky, mustangs are far more impressive imo. Red deer can APPARENTLY reach 300kgs though I see no proof of that. They usually hover around maximum mule deer weight more often than not (200-230kgs) for big stags. And regardless elk are more impressive anyways, bigger, stronger, more dangerous antlers etc. I highly doubt any eland kill goes over 500kgs, their weight is greatly varied. Pumas also take domestic cattle. I wasn't talking about the shiras moose variety, the Canadian subspecies, whatever they are called can reach upto 700kgs and more. Shiras moose can also reach 550kgs, even if they are the smallest sub species, look it up. Bull moose predation is pretty extraordinary, and nothing really tops it imo. A female Puma likewise killed a wolf from the largest, strongest sub species of wolf on the planet that was not only a male- but also larger than herself. (McKenzie vally wolve's were introduced into Yellowstone) so the Puma edges out impressive predation on wolves bar non. Pumas have killed anatolian Shepherds (I think) and have almost killed gamebred, field tested dogo argentino's in one on one fights. Dunno about wolfhound, barely anybody owns them for the Puma to have a chance to kill one in the first place... If a wolf isn't going to be a problem a wolfhound especially will not. |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 7:03:10 GMT
Why do you care this much? Stop pushing people away FFS. Colein can you join so I can block guests again? Disrespecting wild boar and putting their formidability into living in groups, equating a 50lb peccary to a 200lb boar, using 65lb island wolf kills as pro-cougar evidence, pretending canids are cowardly when they can do all that shit alone... All of those, are exceedingly dumb and I dislike talking to brick walls. I mean I went into this a little hostile to begin with from the guy posting a video of a large-ish cougar on trail cam and saying "wow, that's pretty jaguar-like, yeah so a cougar >>>> leopard'' 65lb wolf lol. It wouldn't matter if the wolf was 140lbs, it would still end up dead. Wolves are afraid of Pumas and are afraid to scavenge from their kills if they are alone. This is a fact, look it up. Being in a group is cowardly lol Peccaries are sui-forms basically the same thing but smaller. Potato patoto. Pumas are not only heavier but more physically gifted in the forelimbs, with more damaging bite forces, larger sagittal crests and equal dimensions on both neck and chest girth. Why do we favor the Leopard again? Because it roars or something? |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 7:04:48 GMT
Committing suicide is healthy for you. Why do you care this much? Stop pushing people away FFS. Colein can you join so I can block guests again? I don't know how to do that? I don't even know how to post pictures 🤔 |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 7:12:37 GMT
The is some overlap in chest girth, but the leopard has the greater neck and possibly chest. MALE LEOPARDS (ages 4-6) Weight: 66.10 kg Neck girth: 53.75 cm Chest girth: 79.10 cm (lowest chest girth was 76 cm) MALE COUGARS Weight: 63.16 kg Neck girth: 41.45 cm Chest girth: 76.16 cm The video you showed looked like the boar was smaller than the puma, so a sub-adult? Leopards have killed 400+ kg Turkmen horses, 300+ kg Caspian red deer, 400-900 kg eland, and free-ranging cattle. Also, most moose outside Alaska are more in the 300-500 kg department. You mentioned about leopards losing to staghound? I posted about a 30-40 kg sub-adult female leopard killing a similar sized Eurasian wolf in Southern Russia. The leopard's dhole kills are bigger than the puma's coyote kills. There are also accounts of leopards killing bullmastiffs, Irish wolfhounds and etc. Those weren't the measurements I was talking about. They were from canada, dunno from what province though, they're on carnivora. 76cm chest girth for a 70kg puma- I hope you understand isn't accurate. It's more around 81cms for 64kgs so the measurements might be off just fyi I can post some indian leopard measurements where they fail to reach 50cm neck sizes at over 60kgs, but I have no need. They are similar in neck and chest if we are to use impressive specimens of both. No it didn't, pause the video when the Puma is on the same plane as the Boar and you can see their shoulder heights are similar, indicating an adult boar, plus the scream of the boar has more bass to it... That's an adult. Turkmen horses are kinda lanky, mustangs are far more impressive imo. Red deer can APPARENTLY reach 300kgs though I see no proof of that. They usually hover around maximum mule deer weight more often than not (200-230kgs) for big stags. And regardless elk are more impressive anyways, bigger, stronger, more dangerous antlers etc. I highly doubt any eland kill goes over 500kgs, their weight is greatly varied. Pumas also take domestic cattle. I wasn't talking about the shiras moose variety, the Canadian subspecies, whatever they are called can reach upto 700kgs and more. Shiras moose can also reach 550kgs, even if they are the smallest sub species, look it up. Bull moose predation is pretty extraordinary, and nothing really tops it imo. A female Puma likewise killed a wolf from the largest, strongest sub species of wolf on the planet that was not only a male- but also larger than herself. (McKenzie vally wolve's were introduced into Yellowstone) so the Puma edges out impressive predation on wolves bar non. Pumas have killed anatolian Shepherds (I think) and have almost killed gamebred, field tested dogo argentino's in one on one fights. Dunno about wolfhound, barely anybody owns them for the Puma to have a chance to kill one in the first place... If a wolf isn't going to be a problem a wolfhound especially will not. A wolfhound would eat a wolf. They take feral donkeys, guanaco and red deer stags. Wolfhounds are also physically superior to wolves, noted in that a wolfhound of the same height as a wolf is 180lbs while the wolf is 120lbs. An Irish Wolfhound is perfectly crafted to destroy a wolf hand over fist. Horrible matchup for wolf. Horrible matchup for cougar. Somewhat okay catch dog outsizing the animals by 65 and 55lbs respectively. There are maybe 10 instances of cougars killing domestic cattle, escaped pampered pet dogs have also killed domestic cattle. And also, these are lowest of the low cattle taken by exceptional cougars. I've not read one account of a cougar killing an adult bull moose. BTW let's not forget cougars hunt by ambush and ambush only. Sure, they do it, they're great at cervids and equids. Complete shit at suids and bovines. That's cougars. Cougars also deliberately select compromised or small opponents. Sol running a magnifying glass over this kills is a little bit necessary. There is an account of a cougar ambushing and skull biting an Anatolian Shepherd in the middle of the night, and the dog didn't even see it coming at all. I've seen cougars "almost kill" yearling Dogo Argentinos, and that's it. There is no such thing as gamebred Dogo Argentinos, but there are field tested ones. Field tested Dogos will have already beat cougars. Cougars can beat Dogos, but it is not to be expected and I haven't seen it happen w/o there being a good excuse for the dog. Wasn't even me looking for one, I instantly saw a pup that wasn't filled out running towards a cougar. The result isn't a surprise, a surprise would be the yearling Dogo winning. Good on team cougar that didn't happen. |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 7:12:50 GMT
Idgaf lol let em say what ever tf they want. I never said a Puma wouldn't lose to multiple cowardly opponents piling ontop of it. All I was ever here to say was 1 on 1 ain't nobody doing shit and that's it. Leopard's have been killed by single staghounds apperantly, that's a worse "oof" if you ask me. Pumas merk coyotes; also, how many greyhounds we talking here? It takes 3 I think to take a lone wolf I've heard so you'll need more for a puma, and than double that for a big male. A big male puma will have a nice thick neck, with a massive chest and huge forearms about as thick as your calf attached with some nice, sharp claws and a big bulbous head with a huge sagittal crest good for crushing skulls. These dogs don't like pain so I wouldn't be surprised if they failed to get the job done themselves. I've never heard of staghounds hunting leopards at all, I've heard of Dogos hunting leopards with like 1 picture which may have involved guns. I've also heard of Boergreyhounds/Maritsanes hunting leopards, but since that's illegal the leopard hunters give a vague "we hunt everything wink wink". Bully Kuttas too, hunt leopards. However they're usually bigger than the leopard and on top of that there is usually 2 or more of them. Depends on the greyhound on the wolf, for rugged hunting greyhounds around 100lbs they'll match a lone wolf pretty good, but most people use like 6, with 2 making first contact. Cougars are easier to take out than wolves, as they topple over easy and end up with a dog stuck to their neck. Patagonian greyhounds can 1v1 cougars and take the W, sometimes. 2-3 just crush the cougar's windpipe. It's not necessarily the wolf being stronger than the cougar (cougar is 15% stronger physically and the wolf plays right into the cat's hands, tries to fight some type of pokemon battle and gives the feline time to think), just the wolf being better at keeping the dogs at bay. Greyhounds do not like pain, there is however a video of 2 greyhounds nailing a subadult cougar on accident during a coyote hunt. Not so flattering for team cougar since its claws should still be plenty sharp and a greyhound should be deterred. The hunters I talk to use Galgo Barbucho Patagonicos, Dogals and Dogo Argentinos to hunt cougars. Only got pictures of the latter 2, there used to be some with the Patagonian Bearded Greyhounds but the guy who posted them deleted them in an argument. I did manage to dig up a few pictures of his dogs hunting guanaco, and got one picture of some lurcher and a cocker spaniel hunting a cougar. Cougars have great crowd control skills if they can outmuscle their opponent, they can at least put up a good show like boars do. Nope, they topple over on their back and get ravaged. Knives aren't even that necessary since they're not as powerful or durable as a boar so cougars, guanacos and red deer stags are usually killed by the dogs. Cougars run to the nearest outcrop they can, and if caught out in the open they've no answer as they are poor fighters. They are meant to fight in an ambush. Imagine Ted Bundy getting tackled by an MMA fighter while searching for teenage girls in a forest. Ted Bundy does not perform very well against the MMA fighter, he gets choked out and dies panicking. Let's say our MMA fighter is 180lbs, and then happens upon a 300lb body guard for a popular artist and tackles him. The body guard was ready for it, shakes him around a fair bit, and they're into it. MMA fighter puts body guard in a headlock and a bystander comes and notices that's the same bodyguard who was fucking his wife so he stabs him in the stomach and he dies. Our MMA fighter also tackles vegan athletes, with similar ease to killing Ted Bundy. 2 greyhounds killing an adult male Puma from patagonia... Lol. You'd be laughed out of the room if you told that to the filmer of that video you are talking about regarding those greyhounds and the Puma cub. He straight up said in the comments of his video that he and his 4 greyhounds would be in deep shit if it was a 130lb male Puma, HIS WORDS NOT MINE. That was not an adult puma, but a cub, and the man himself said "no lone dog can take a 130lb tom" FULL STOP, and that a pack of greyhounds are in deep shit with a single 130lb tom. He knows way more than you do, I'll take his word for it. Your galgo patagonicos or whatever will get more hell than they bargained for when they engage with a male Puma, that's for damn sure. Your idea of a male Puma defending itself is skewed to say the very least, they can kill numerous large dogs given the right circumstance. Pumas are formidable animals. Full stop. In the two fights I've seen between dogo argentinos and Pumas... The Puma was winning, very, very much so. |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 7:14:51 GMT
Disrespecting wild boar and putting their formidability into living in groups, equating a 50lb peccary to a 200lb boar, using 65lb island wolf kills as pro-cougar evidence, pretending canids are cowardly when they can do all that shit alone... All of those, are exceedingly dumb and I dislike talking to brick walls. I mean I went into this a little hostile to begin with from the guy posting a video of a large-ish cougar on trail cam and saying "wow, that's pretty jaguar-like, yeah so a cougar >>>> leopard'' 65lb wolf lol. It wouldn't matter if the wolf was 140lbs, it would still end up dead. Wolves are afraid of Pumas and are afraid to scavenge from their kills if they are alone. This is a fact, look it up. Being in a group is cowardly lol Peccaries are sui-forms basically the same thing but smaller. Potato patoto. Pumas are not only heavier but more physically gifted in the forelimbs, with more damaging bite forces, larger sagittal crests and equal dimensions on both neck and chest girth. Why do we favor the Leopard again? Because it roars or something? You saw a picture stating otherwise. Wolves aren't afraid. That picture = "cougar ambushes 65lb wolf, gets bloodied up in the process and scores a kill the second the wolf tries to run." can you just post the account of the female cougar killing the larger wolf? Peccaries are 25-65lbs, wild boar are 150-300lbs. How are you not grasping this difference? Huhhh? |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 7:16:34 GMT
I've never heard of staghounds hunting leopards at all, I've heard of Dogos hunting leopards with like 1 picture which may have involved guns. I've also heard of Boergreyhounds/Maritsanes hunting leopards, but since that's illegal the leopard hunters give a vague "we hunt everything wink wink". Bully Kuttas too, hunt leopards. However they're usually bigger than the leopard and on top of that there is usually 2 or more of them. Depends on the greyhound on the wolf, for rugged hunting greyhounds around 100lbs they'll match a lone wolf pretty good, but most people use like 6, with 2 making first contact. Cougars are easier to take out than wolves, as they topple over easy and end up with a dog stuck to their neck. Patagonian greyhounds can 1v1 cougars and take the W, sometimes. 2-3 just crush the cougar's windpipe. It's not necessarily the wolf being stronger than the cougar (cougar is 15% stronger physically and the wolf plays right into the cat's hands, tries to fight some type of pokemon battle and gives the feline time to think), just the wolf being better at keeping the dogs at bay. Greyhounds do not like pain, there is however a video of 2 greyhounds nailing a subadult cougar on accident during a coyote hunt. Not so flattering for team cougar since its claws should still be plenty sharp and a greyhound should be deterred. The hunters I talk to use Galgo Barbucho Patagonicos, Dogals and Dogo Argentinos to hunt cougars. Only got pictures of the latter 2, there used to be some with the Patagonian Bearded Greyhounds but the guy who posted them deleted them in an argument. I did manage to dig up a few pictures of his dogs hunting guanaco, and got one picture of some lurcher and a cocker spaniel hunting a cougar. Cougars have great crowd control skills if they can outmuscle their opponent, they can at least put up a good show like boars do. Nope, they topple over on their back and get ravaged. Knives aren't even that necessary since they're not as powerful or durable as a boar so cougars, guanacos and red deer stags are usually killed by the dogs. Cougars run to the nearest outcrop they can, and if caught out in the open they've no answer as they are poor fighters. They are meant to fight in an ambush. Imagine Ted Bundy getting tackled by an MMA fighter while searching for teenage girls in a forest. Ted Bundy does not perform very well against the MMA fighter, he gets choked out and dies panicking. Let's say our MMA fighter is 180lbs, and then happens upon a 300lb body guard for a popular artist and tackles him. The body guard was ready for it, shakes him around a fair bit, and they're into it. MMA fighter puts body guard in a headlock and a bystander comes and notices that's the same bodyguard who was fucking his wife so he stabs him in the stomach and he dies. Our MMA fighter also tackles vegan athletes, with similar ease to killing Ted Bundy. 2 greyhounds killing an adult male Puma from patagonia... Lol. You'd be laughed out of the room if you told that to the filmer of that video you are talking about regarding those greyhounds and the Puma cub. He straight up said in the comments of his video that he and his 4 greyhounds would be in deep shit if it was a 130lb male Puma, HIS WORDS NOT MINE. That was not an adult puma, but a cub, and the man himself said "no lone dog can take a 130lb tom" FULL STOP, and that a pack of greyhounds are in deep shit with a single 130lb tom. He knows way more than you do, I'll take his word for it. Your galgo patagonicos or whatever will get more hell than they bargained for when they engage with a male Puma, that's for damn sure. Your idea of a male Puma defending itself is skewed to say the very least, they can kill numerous large dogs given the right circumstance. Pumas are formidable animals. Full stop. In the two fights I've seen between dogo argentinos and Pumas... The Puma was winning, very, very much so. He wouldn't know, nobody hunts cougars there. He is in Arizona or somewhere in the USA, where using catch dogs on cougars is unheard of. Perhaps invite him here, I'd love to tell him why he's very wrong. He will listen to me on the edge of his seat and go ''wait wtf? they do that? god damn, that's cool!" In the 100 fights I've seen between dogo argentinos, dogo argentino x greyhound crosses, patagonian greyhounds and Pumas... The Dogo was winning, very, very much so. |
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