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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 0:28:48 GMT
Look, I don't know why researchers don't highlight the times in which Pumas killed adult boar, they should because thay would shut a lot of people up regarding their capability in controlling feral swine. Anyway I found it: http://instagr.am/p/CdL_YzVuw96 Translated: Wild boar skull (Sus scrofa) preyed on by puma (Puma concolor). Commentor: Did the Puma kill and adult wild boar!?! Response: Yes. That time I was working with puma monitoring and we recorded this ADULT and 2 cubs preyed upon by pumas. There you go. Look how hard I had to look for that when in reality it probably happened a multitude of times during the texas study and Florida study but they just don't mention it. Arguments from silence aren't good arguments and I've already stated a multitude of times that their terminology IMPLIES that adult feral hog predation happened, but I guess we have to be so incredibly rigid? If you want specifics please take the time to email the researchers first hand, I'd like to get confirmation of more adult hog mortality due to Pumas as well. That hog in the gif clip reminds me of the size disparity between that texas female and that large male hog, which the female puma likely killed. The fact the guy was surprised out of his mind is very telling. |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 0:30:02 GMT
Also last I checked Leopard's and Puma's had similar neck sizes with the Puma being larger in chest girth. 64kg Puma: 54cm neck 66kg Leopard: 54cm neck I forgot the chest size but the puma was like 2cms more robust or something. Anyway, yeah. No reason to believe a leopard is stronger than a male puma at parity. Wrong. Most pumas have neck girths at 41-49 cm. Leopards usuLly have neck girths at 51-60 cm around the 60-70 kg mark. Their chests may overlap, but there are more leopards with the 86-87 cm chest girths. Also, I am impressed that there is a first confirmed adult kill of a boar, though it is female. It is close, but the leopard has the slight edge for now since there is documentation of killing adult male boars. No, there were multiple males from somewhere in Canada that averaged 54cms in neck size at 64kgs. Of course there are variables but a mature male puma around 60-65kgs is looking to have 48-55cms in neck girth. No male pumas over 70kgs have had their measurements taken. Easily over 60cms as well I'd reckon. I forgot the numbers on the chests, but all I remember was the Puma being superior. That's all. Yes, there's the first "confirmed" case even if the image of the female puma in texas chasing that giant hog and the studies using consistent terminology with adult boar predation being an occurrence but infrequent. But whatever. I'd say 450kg mustangs 350kg bull elk and 700kg bull moose are more impressive but what do I know? Also the video I posted earlier was another adult so we have 2 cases. |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 0:34:49 GMT
Look, I don't know why researchers don't highlight the times in which Pumas killed adult boar, they should because thay would shut a lot of people up regarding their capability in controlling feral swine. Anyway I found it: http://instagr.am/p/CdL_YzVuw96 Translated: Wild boar skull (Sus scrofa) preyed on by puma (Puma concolor). Commentor: Did the Puma kill and adult wild boar!?! Response: Yes. That time I was working with puma monitoring and we recorded this ADULT and 2 cubs preyed upon by pumas. There you go. Look how hard I had to look for that when in reality it probably happened a multitude of times during the texas study and Florida study but they just don't mention it. Arguments from silence aren't good arguments and I've already stated a multitude of times that their terminology IMPLIES that adult feral hog predation happened, but I guess we have to be so incredibly rigid? If you want specifics please take the time to email the researchers first hand, I'd like to get confirmation of more adult hog mortality due to Pumas as well. That hog in the gif clip reminds me of the size disparity between that texas female and that large male hog, which the female puma likely killed. The fact the guy was surprised out of his mind is very telling. Well looks like your charade got blown sky high. How will you live with yourself now knowing Puma's have killed adult boar's... IN BRAZIL OF ALL PLACES. A probably 55kgs puma killed an adult boar. Imagine a 75kg west texas male? Easy meals on wheels for the Puma. |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 0:36:24 GMT
That was likely Not an adult.
All of those animals are ungulates or equids who can kick cougar ass. All of those animals are practically immune to cougars, boars are in that tier if not higher considering we have one single case and if we want to be nice we can take your side and say 2.
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 0:36:45 GMT
The fact the guy was surprised out of his mind is very telling. Well looks like your charade got blown sky high. How will you live with yourself now knowing Puma's have killed adult boar's... IN BRAZIL OF ALL PLACES. A probably 55kgs puma killed an adult boar. Imagine a 75kg west texas male? Easy meals on wheels for the Puma. Shut the fuck up lol |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 0:39:53 GMT
Neither are great fighters, but cougars are worse. Cougars are no more successful against street dogs. Cougars are not more interspecifically combative... not at all. Only in the everglades where 100 cougars are in a 100 square mile box or whatever. Leopards are more combative, they last longer against dogs and fight better. Male cougars ambush female wolves that are totally oblivious to their presence until it's too late. (waiting for the "but this cougar killed a male wolf!!!" cries, the last part is invariably true always) A small female Puma from Yellowstone killed a male wolf larger than herself... Lol. No ambush, the wolf ran because it knew it is stupid to challenge a puma... Smaller than itself or not, female or not... Pumas kill eachother more in fights, therefore they are more combative during intraspecific circumstances. Nothing you can say about that. I know, leopard's roar so they sound so heckin cool! But in reality Puma's are the ones slugging harder in those fights based off of mortality for both species and by observing male pumas who've had their skulls crushed by other males. No it didn't, go post the account plz. Wolves do challenge them, a lot, experienced male wolves. They don't give a shit about cougars, they're smarter than you. The cougars themselves are smarter than you. I like to listen to the animals, not the tiny dick fanboys advocating for them. |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 1:06:47 GMT
A small female Puma from Yellowstone killed a male wolf larger than herself... Lol. No ambush, the wolf ran because it knew it is stupid to challenge a puma... Smaller than itself or not, female or not... Pumas kill eachother more in fights, therefore they are more combative during intraspecific circumstances. Nothing you can say about that. I know, leopard's roar so they sound so heckin cool! But in reality Puma's are the ones slugging harder in those fights based off of mortality for both species and by observing male pumas who've had their skulls crushed by other males. No it didn't, go post the account plz. Wolves do challenge them, a lot, experienced male wolves. They don't give a shit about cougars, they're smarter than you. The cougars themselves are smarter than you. I like to listen to the animals, not the tiny dick fanboys advocating for them. Oww my feelings... Anyway, how are Mustangs and elk and moose above Pumas if they regularly kill them? Hmm? Riddle me that. I'm starting to think that you just genuinely don't like the idea of pumas being like... Capable? Or something. Anyway, Pumas kill adult boars, mustangs, elk, moose, guanaco and a bunch of other stuff so I'd say they are pretty litty🔥💯 Anyway go look up "puma doesn't run instead kills wolf" and it will come up. Adult boar predation is more prevalent than what you are giving credit for. That photo of that female Puma and huge boar? She likely killed it. The studies that encompass Boar mortality due to Pumas? There were certaintly adults in there just based completely off of their terminology, which they use very literally btw so I know that for a fact. And if I'm a puma fan than your a puma hater lol. |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 1:10:27 GMT
A small female Puma from Yellowstone killed a male wolf larger than herself... Lol. No ambush, the wolf ran because it knew it is stupid to challenge a puma... Smaller than itself or not, female or not... Pumas kill eachother more in fights , therefore they are more combative during intraspecific circumstances. Nothing you can say about that. I know, leopard's roar so they sound so heckin cool! But in reality Puma's are the ones slugging harder in those fights based off of mortality for both species and by observing male pumas who've had their skulls crushed by other males. No it didn't, go post the account plz. Wolves do challenge them, a lot, experienced male wolves. They don't give a shit about cougars, they're smarter than you. The cougars themselves are smarter than you. I like to listen to the animals, not the tiny dick fanboys advocating for them. P.s lone wolves are terrified of Pumas. They are do afraid they refuse to even scavenge from a carcass if they think they're nearby. 1 on 1 the Puma is gonna whoop a wolf, and the wolf knows it. That's why they show up in pack of 8 just to attack them. Pumas a formidable, powerful, dangerous animals and wolves know that. That's why they are so eager to kill a Puma, because 1 less Puma lessens the chance of one of them getting picked off when they're alone doing whatever. |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 1:43:22 GMT
No it didn't, go post the account plz. Wolves do challenge them, a lot, experienced male wolves. They don't give a shit about cougars, they're smarter than you. The cougars themselves are smarter than you. I like to listen to the animals, not the tiny dick fanboys advocating for them. Oww my feelings... Anyway, how are Mustangs and elk and moose above Pumas if they regularly kill them? Hmm? Riddle me that. I'm starting to think that you just genuinely don't like the idea of pumas being like... Capable? Or something. Anyway, Pumas kill adult boars, mustangs, elk, moose, guanaco and a bunch of other stuff so I'd say they are pretty litty🔥💯 Anyway go look up "puma doesn't run instead kills wolf" and it will come up. Adult boar predation is more prevalent than what you are giving credit for. That photo of that female Puma and huge boar? She likely killed it. The studies that encompass Boar mortality due to Pumas? There were certaintly adults in there just based completely off of their terminology, which they use very literally btw so I know that for a fact. And if I'm a puma fan than your a puma hater lol. Cougars are not very high in the animal formidability hierarchy, and then bottom of the barrel in combat skill. Cowardly ambush predators, flee when assailed, have a star record. All of those animals, minus maybe a buck deer, would beat the shit out of a cougar in a face to face fight. Some invariably face to face or not, like boars. |
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 1:44:40 GMT
No it didn't, go post the account plz. Wolves do challenge them, a lot, experienced male wolves. They don't give a shit about cougars, they're smarter than you. The cougars themselves are smarter than you. I like to listen to the animals, not the tiny dick fanboys advocating for them. P.s lone wolves are terrified of Pumas. They are do afraid they refuse to even scavenge from a carcass if they think they're nearby. 1 on 1 the Puma is gonna whoop a wolf, and the wolf knows it. That's why they show up in pack of 8 just to attack them. Pumas a formidable, powerful, dangerous animals and wolves know that. That's why they are so eager to kill a Puma, because 1 less Puma lessens the chance of one of them getting picked off when they're alone doing whatever. Wolves don't know that, they do not give a flying motherfucking fuck about oversized house cats.  |
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Post by Axs on Mar 4, 2023 2:07:15 GMT
Oww my feelings... Anyway, how are Mustangs and elk and moose above Pumas if they regularly kill them? Hmm? Riddle me that. I'm starting to think that you just genuinely don't like the idea of pumas being like... Capable? Or something. Anyway, Pumas kill adult boars, mustangs, elk, moose, guanaco and a bunch of other stuff so I'd say they are pretty litty🔥💯 Anyway go look up "puma doesn't run instead kills wolf" and it will come up. Adult boar predation is more prevalent than what you are giving credit for. That photo of that female Puma and huge boar? She likely killed it. The studies that encompass Boar mortality due to Pumas? There were certaintly adults in there just based completely off of their terminology, which they use very literally btw so I know that for a fact. And if I'm a puma fan than your a puma hater lol. Cougars are not very high in the animal formidability hierarchy, and then bottom of the barrel in combat skill. Cowardly ambush predators, flee when assailed, have a star record. All of those animals, minus maybe a buck deer, would beat the shit out of a cougar in a face to face fight. Some invariably face to face or not, like boars. Mmm hmm. Cougar's are above Leopard's though so I guess that's cool... Hey, did you know Leopard's only started expanding outwards towards eurasia after the eurasian puma went extinct? Likely showing that pumas limited Leopard's when they were symapyric lol. So if the Puma is low on the totem pole that's cool, but they are still above Leopard's though! Sucks to suck but you can still taunt those lower than you lol. Puma > Leopard The Puma's dominance over the Leopard goes back a few millennia. You are making the puma seem more badass by trying to insinuate that their prey is far more dangerous than they are. Please keep it up! Keep telling us how badass Puma's are for slaying beasts 10x out of their own weight class! Too bad the puma never red your opinions on how dangerous their prey is and how weak they are, probably because they are too busy suffocating some-750lb bull elk and may just casually kill a wolf if it's feeling cute afterwards. You wanna know what's really cowardly? Having to gang up on an opponent to kill it. Say what you want but Pumas handle their shit ALONE, with no backup. Wolves are cowards in that respect. Soon enough you begin to realise that nature by it's very foundation is cowardly. Don't hate the player hate the game playa |
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 2:09:29 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 2:57:07 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Mar 4, 2023 2:59:42 GMT
Here's a little hint - hunters always say cougars go down extremely easily with absolutely zero fight compared to boars and even guanaco and red deer to greyhounds. They think of cougars the same way we Americans think of coyotes.
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Post by Colein on Mar 4, 2023 3:16:21 GMT
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