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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 2:39:57 GMT
Who would win in a fight between these 3 hunting dogs?
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 11, 2023 2:47:00 GMT
Catahoula for sure. The other two are very reluctant fighters, it's actually favoured in their selection to shirk at combat and this has been observed and noted in the scenthound lineage since ancient greek and roman times. The catahoula is part scenthound but is toughened up with other components to elevate it from soft bailer to rough cur. It now will engage and bite and fight, but still has a healthy sense of self-preservation. The coonhounds mentioned aren't ready for the catahoula's smoke. It is also typically larger.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 3:06:55 GMT
Catahoulas tear shit up, I think it could beat both at once.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2023 17:06:37 GMT
Catahoula for sure. The other two are very reluctant fighters, it's actually favoured in their selection to shirk at combat and this has been observed and noted in the scenthound lineage since ancient greek and roman times. The catahoula is part scenthound but is toughened up with other components to elevate it from soft bailer to rough cur. It now will engage and bite and fight, but still has a healthy sense of self-preservation. The coonhounds mentioned aren't ready for the catahoula's smoke. It is also typically larger. You’re correct, but the reason I thought American Leopard Hound would be a hot shot is because American Leopard Hounds are bred to be very rough against large game, despite being a Scenthound. They are basically in the same league as Plotthounds. The Bluetick is also pretty rough from observations. But combatively im not sure the other two would stand a chance against a Catahoula. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 30, 2023 9:56:56 GMT
From everything I can gather it seems the softest, or most cautious and skittish, coonhounds are - Treeing walkers, Redbones, American foxhounds and American English (aka red ticked). I'd probably give a special nod to treeing walkers and red ticks being super skittish and standoffish. I have seen tiny bobcats make whole packs of treeing walkers stand back (and actually the bobcat hunters LIKE this behaviour and select for it). Black and tans are fairly laid back and not easily shaken, but also aren't that pushy with game (a bit like bloodhounds, and they are influenced by bloodhounds quite a bit) Blue ticks and American leopard are pushy and persuasive and a little rough, but also still very cautious and jumpy like proper scenthounds. Still I have seen/heard of them killing things. Plotthounds, despite being the smallest, are the most rough and behave almost more like a curr; using a lot of biting and following prey into holes and etc.  For what it's worth, I think English Foxhounds are probably on par with blueticks and Leopard hounds, maybe even rougher. Ditto for Otterhounds. Both also btw traditionally kill their quarry by ripping it to pieces in a pack. I believe the american wildlife being quite dangerous actually forced american scenthounds to get extra wary and cautious with a heightened self-preservation instinct, that and americans love guns and like to be the one doing the shooting and killing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 17:57:32 GMT
From everything I can gather it seems the softest, or most cautious and skittish, coonhounds are - Treeing walkers, Redbones, American foxhounds and American English (aka red ticked). I'd probably give a special nod to treeing walkers and red ticks being super skittish and standoffish. I have seen tiny bobcats make whole packs of treeing walkers stand back (and actually the bobcat hunters LIKE this behaviour and select for it). Black and tans are fairly laid back and not easily shaken, but also aren't that pushy with game (a bit like bloodhounds, and they are influenced by bloodhounds quite a bit) Blue ticks and American leopard are pushy and persuasive and a little rough, but also still very cautious and jumpy like proper scenthounds. Still I have seen/heard of them killing things. Plotthounds, despite being the smallest, are the most rough and behave almost more like a curr; using a lot of biting and following prey into holes and etc. For what it's worth, I think English Foxhounds are probably on par with blueticks and Leopard hounds, maybe even rougher. Ditto for Otterhounds. Both also btw traditionally kill their quarry by ripping it to pieces in a pack. I believe the american wildlife being quite dangerous actually forced american scenthounds to get extra wary and cautious with a heightened self-preservation instinct, that and americans love guns and like to be the one doing the shooting and killing. Time to make a response. Yeah, Treeing Walker Coonhounds issues is how they are raised. Many Treeing Walker Coonhound owners I see invest too much time in treeing quarry. Thats all they care about, is treeing. All that dogs stats, into treeing. But when the fight comes to them, they are out faster than Hussein Bolt, with their tails behind their legs. I have seen some Treeing Walkers with a shit load of grit and would lug a raccoon in a heartbeat. I’ve also see one continue baying because the raccoon attempted to fight back. Most Black & Tans I see are a clusterfuck; you either have a Black & Tan that is the same as a Treeing Walker or as rough as Blueticks and American Leopard Hounds.
And yeah, British Foxhounds are very rough and gritty. There have been instances of them going after horses and cattle during a hunt and end up either harming or killing the livestock. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 19:01:35 GMT
I always just ''knew'' Treeing Walkers were complete pussies and the biggest pussy of all simply due to ''Treeing'' in the name.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 30, 2023 20:09:17 GMT
"Treeing" sometimes can take some persuasion. Many cunning old mountain lions and black bears actually don't want to tree and seem to know it can seal their fate. Sometimes it takes a rough biter to get them up a tree (so I've heard), so I wouldn't necessarily say "treeing" is a red flag for me, BUT all the softest wussiest hounds I've seen TEND to have that coat colour. The show "Mountain Men" is actually a pretty fun show IMO and my favourite guy on it is Rich Lewis, "the mountain lion hunter" (who also hunts a lot of bobcats and etc)  I like him, but his dogs are incredibly stand-offish and really shirk at fighting ANYTHING. And I don't know for sure but they LOOK like treeing walkers to me. I'm definitely not a "coonhound guy" so could be wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 20:11:52 GMT
They look like beagles or foxhounds too...
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 30, 2023 20:22:34 GMT
Well I don't think they're pure beagles, lol, but it did actually cross my mind "is he crossing them with beagles or wtf are those things?".
They're very gay, I mean... kind of?
like they tear off after a mountain lion all enthusiastically and jump down cliffs and shit. They almost seem tough and cool on the chase, but as soon as a measly bobcat or anything hisses at them they visibly shit their proverbial pants and run away barking. Its all in all pretty embarassing for dogs to see them work. Dog haters would lick their chops watching that show.
Scenthounds in general kind of leave a bad taste in my mouth, whether dogs like these in america or those european hamiltonstovares or whatever, they just seem to be in the "animal news" cycle every other week being owned and schooled by wild animals and making dog haters be all "see?!?!?" before casting broad conclusions over all dogs and all hunting with dogs and setting all progress on gaining respect for dogs backwards.
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Post by lincoln on Jan 30, 2023 20:28:09 GMT
"Treeing" sometimes can take some persuasion. Many cunning old mountain lions and black bears actually don't want to tree and seem to know it can seal their fate. Sometimes it takes a rough biter to get them up a tree (so I've heard), so I wouldn't necessarily say "treeing" is a red flag for me, BUT all the softest wussiest hounds I've seen TEND to have that coat colour. The show "Mountain Men" is actually a pretty fun show IMO and my favourite guy on it is Rich Lewis, "the mountain lion hunter" (who also hunts a lot of bobcats and etc) I like him, but his dogs are incredibly stand-offish and really shirk at fighting ANYTHING. And I don't know for sure but they LOOK like treeing walkers to me. I'm definitely not a "coonhound guy" so could be wrong. I watched that a few times when I was younger, Rich was my favorite too, simply because he used dogs and animals were actually in his parts, I remember there was an episode (I think it was an older episode) where his dogs rushed a cougar and one bit the cougar and got scratched up a bit. My favorite dog of his was named Hatchet, he was my favorite because I remember an episode where he hunted a cougar by himself and at the time that was impressive to young me. Not sure if he still uses him because I haven’t watched for a little while |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 20:38:57 GMT
From everything I can gather it seems the softest, or most cautious and skittish, coonhounds are - Treeing walkers, Redbones, American foxhounds and American English (aka red ticked). I'd probably give a special nod to treeing walkers and red ticks being super skittish and standoffish. I have seen tiny bobcats make whole packs of treeing walkers stand back (and actually the bobcat hunters LIKE this behaviour and select for it). Black and tans are fairly laid back and not easily shaken, but also aren't that pushy with game (a bit like bloodhounds, and they are influenced by bloodhounds quite a bit) Blue ticks and American leopard are pushy and persuasive and a little rough, but also still very cautious and jumpy like proper scenthounds. Still I have seen/heard of them killing things. Plotthounds, despite being the smallest, are the most rough and behave almost more like a curr; using a lot of biting and following prey into holes and etc. For what it's worth, I think English Foxhounds are probably on par with blueticks and Leopard hounds, maybe even rougher. Ditto for Otterhounds. Both also btw traditionally kill their quarry by ripping it to pieces in a pack. I believe the american wildlife being quite dangerous actually forced american scenthounds to get extra wary and cautious with a heightened self-preservation instinct, that and americans love guns and like to be the one doing the shooting and killing. I think Blueticks are used in Africa sometimes. They tree leopards for them to be shot. I don’t agree with this because its a native cat, but it shows the Blueticks use. |
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Post by lincoln on Jan 30, 2023 20:39:37 GMT
Well I don't think they're pure beagles, lol, but it did actually cross my mind "is he crossing them with beagles or wtf are those things?". They're very gay, I mean... kind of? like they tear off after a mountain lion all enthusiastically and jump down cliffs and shit. They almost seem tough and cool on the chase, but as soon as a measly bobcat or anything hisses at them they visibly shit their proverbial pants and run away barking. Its all in all pretty embarassing for dogs to see them work. Dog haters would lick their chops watching that show. Scenthounds in general kind of leave a bad taste in my mouth, whether dogs like these in america or those european hamiltonstovares or whatever, they just seem to be in the "animal news" cycle every other week being owned and schooled by wild animals and making dog haters be all "see?!?!?" before casting broad conclusions over all dogs and all hunting with dogs and setting all progress on gaining respect for dogs backwards. I remember there was an episode where one of his dogs actually went through with facing the bobcat and actually scrapped with it. I remember younger me being impressed about that |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 22:11:28 GMT
From everything I can gather it seems the softest, or most cautious and skittish, coonhounds are - Treeing walkers, Redbones, American foxhounds and American English (aka red ticked). I'd probably give a special nod to treeing walkers and red ticks being super skittish and standoffish. I have seen tiny bobcats make whole packs of treeing walkers stand back (and actually the bobcat hunters LIKE this behaviour and select for it). Black and tans are fairly laid back and not easily shaken, but also aren't that pushy with game (a bit like bloodhounds, and they are influenced by bloodhounds quite a bit) Blue ticks and American leopard are pushy and persuasive and a little rough, but also still very cautious and jumpy like proper scenthounds. Still I have seen/heard of them killing things. Plotthounds, despite being the smallest, are the most rough and behave almost more like a curr; using a lot of biting and following prey into holes and etc. For what it's worth, I think English Foxhounds are probably on par with blueticks and Leopard hounds, maybe even rougher. Ditto for Otterhounds. Both also btw traditionally kill their quarry by ripping it to pieces in a pack. I believe the american wildlife being quite dangerous actually forced american scenthounds to get extra wary and cautious with a heightened self-preservation instinct, that and americans love guns and like to be the one doing the shooting and killing. I think Blueticks are used in Africa sometimes. They tree leopards for them to be shot. I don’t agree with this because its a native cat, but it shows the Blueticks use. You should agree with it if they're doing it monteria style, but just hounding leopards and shooting them no I think that's shitty invasive or not. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 31, 2023 7:09:13 GMT
I think Blueticks are used in Africa sometimes. They tree leopards for them to be shot. I don’t agree with this because its a native cat, but it shows the Blueticks use. You should agree with it if they're doing it monteria style, but just hounding leopards and shooting them no I think that's shitty invasive or not. I agree, it's inherently cowardly and shitty. I talk about cats being like Jeffrey Dahmer, and it's true. Scenthounds are like narcs or rats (human kind). Snivelling spineless cowards. They're like "over here boss, he's hiding over here!", then the prey animal is like "you piece of shit, I'll kill you!" and then they're like "gulp! Noooooo!!! why me! I'm scared!" and they piss their pants, then the human comes and shoots the animal and the scenthounds are like "haha! gotcha! yay! neener neener neener" and mock them and bite them while they convulse and die in enraged agony. It's just clearly all bad and they're clearly the bad guys in that exchange. They're assholes harassing and taunting an animal, cowards when confronted with a fight, and then they gloat and be obnoxious when their "daddy" human kills the prey. People who don't care about hunting with dogs see this stuff, and then that's it, their mind is made up. That's hunting with dogs and from then on they have blinders on and all hunting with dogs is about a cowardly annoying dog being a narc rat betraying animals and then hiding behind daddy human and poking their tongue out when he protects them from harm with a gun. Who wouldn't hate that? I do. I would cheer for the wild animal for fucking up the hounds too. But this is just one niche form of hunting with dogs, and fundamentally opposite to some other forms of hunting with dogs. In some forms of hunting with dogs the human is hiding behind the dog and the dog is extremely brave and doing everything. Fully engaging dangerous animals with nothing but it's face, and fully putting their lives on the line, losing their lives regularly as par for the course, and when they do the human shrugs and wanders off. The fact these brave dogs get tarred with the same brush as scenthounds, and portrayed as "hiding behind daddy human with a gun" is a grave injustice and just patently false. |
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