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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 7:15:08 GMT
You should agree with it if they're doing it monteria style, but just hounding leopards and shooting them no I think that's shitty invasive or not. I agree, it's inherently cowardly and shitty. I talk about cats being like Jeffrey Dahmer, and it's true. Scenthounds are like narcs or rats (human kind). Snivelling spineless cowards. They're like "over here boss, he's hiding over here!", then the prey animal is like "you piece of shit, I'll kill you!" and then they're like "gulp! Noooooo!!! why me! I'm scared!" and they piss their pants, then the human comes and shoots the animal and the scenthounds are like "haha! gotcha! yay! neener neener neener" and mock them and bite them while they convulse and die in enraged agony. It's just clearly all bad and they're clearly the bad guys in that exchange. They're assholes harassing and taunting an animal, cowards when confronted with a fight, and then they gloat and be obnoxious when their "daddy" human kills the prey. People who don't care about hunting with dogs see this stuff, and then that's it, their mind is made up. That's hunting with dogs and from then on they have blinders on and all hunting with dogs is about a cowardly annoying dog being a narc rat betraying animals and then hiding behind daddy human and poking their tongue out when he protects them from harm with a gun. Who wouldn't hate that? I do. I would cheer for the wild animal for fucking up the hounds too. But this is just one niche form of hunting with dogs, and fundamentally opposite to some other forms of hunting with dogs. In some forms of hunting with dogs the human is hiding behind the dog and the dog is extremely brave and doing everything. Fully engaging dangerous animals with nothing but it's face, and fully putting their lives on the line, losing their lives regularly as par for the course, and when they do the human shrugs and wanders off. The fact these brave dogs get tarred with the same brush as scenthounds, and portrayed as "hiding behind daddy human with a gun" is a grave injustice and just patently false. Yes, it also doesn't have any entertainment value whatsoever. I used to want to own a coonhound, I thought they were cool and badass, I also saw pointers advertised but thought they were lame. I asked my grandma to buy a coonhound to throw out with Bo and Luke I believe. Then I got my head in the game and started liking ridgebacks and wanted them to get one of those instead. Was never going to happen but I don't know why I thought coonhounds were cool. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 31, 2023 8:12:10 GMT
I agree, it's inherently cowardly and shitty. I talk about cats being like Jeffrey Dahmer, and it's true. Scenthounds are like narcs or rats (human kind). Snivelling spineless cowards. They're like "over here boss, he's hiding over here!", then the prey animal is like "you piece of shit, I'll kill you!" and then they're like "gulp! Noooooo!!! why me! I'm scared!" and they piss their pants, then the human comes and shoots the animal and the scenthounds are like "haha! gotcha! yay! neener neener neener" and mock them and bite them while they convulse and die in enraged agony. It's just clearly all bad and they're clearly the bad guys in that exchange. They're assholes harassing and taunting an animal, cowards when confronted with a fight, and then they gloat and be obnoxious when their "daddy" human kills the prey. People who don't care about hunting with dogs see this stuff, and then that's it, their mind is made up. That's hunting with dogs and from then on they have blinders on and all hunting with dogs is about a cowardly annoying dog being a narc rat betraying animals and then hiding behind daddy human and poking their tongue out when he protects them from harm with a gun. Who wouldn't hate that? I do. I would cheer for the wild animal for fucking up the hounds too. But this is just one niche form of hunting with dogs, and fundamentally opposite to some other forms of hunting with dogs. In some forms of hunting with dogs the human is hiding behind the dog and the dog is extremely brave and doing everything. Fully engaging dangerous animals with nothing but it's face, and fully putting their lives on the line, losing their lives regularly as par for the course, and when they do the human shrugs and wanders off. The fact these brave dogs get tarred with the same brush as scenthounds, and portrayed as "hiding behind daddy human with a gun" is a grave injustice and just patently false. Yes, it also doesn't have any entertainment value whatsoever. I used to want to own a coonhound, I thought they were cool and badass, I also saw pointers advertised but thought they were lame. I asked my grandma to buy a coonhound to throw out with Bo and Luke I believe. Then I got my head in the game and started liking ridgebacks and wanted them to get one of those instead. Was never going to happen but I don't know why I thought coonhounds were cool. Well it's the culture in your area I guess to think hounds are badass and legit (though generally speaking florida is more curs I think, but that line can get blurry). All these rugged outdoorsy guys are passionate about hounds, but it's a very niche thing and you have to switch off "AvA brain" completely to not think they're gay as hell. Curs are ok, curs are fighters, just cautious and smart tactical fighters who "float like a butterfly and sting like a bee". That's fine. But scenthounds are straight up pussies, they are SUPPOSED to be. They are valued for their pussiness. That pussiness means you get a clean shot on the animal at the end, and THAT is what these hunters are addicted to. The dopamine rush they get with that shot. They'll turn a blind eye to the inherit shitty character of their dogs and just look at it from a totally different angle where they themselves are the hero and the dog is nothing, just background noise. I've always been fight focussed and animal focussed as opposed to worrying about myself and what I'm doing. I watch dogs the way other people watch lions on a nat geo documentary, like the animal is the hero, so when you do that scenthounds just get a big thumbs down. They're "lackeys" and snivelling sidekicks with a big man hero. The people who like them want to be that hero and want the cool "weapons" of a hero like batman. I want to appreciate dogs like they are batman, so scenthounds are off the table. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 11:55:20 GMT
Yes, it also doesn't have any entertainment value whatsoever. I used to want to own a coonhound, I thought they were cool and badass, I also saw pointers advertised but thought they were lame. I asked my grandma to buy a coonhound to throw out with Bo and Luke I believe. Then I got my head in the game and started liking ridgebacks and wanted them to get one of those instead. Was never going to happen but I don't know why I thought coonhounds were cool. Well it's the culture in your area I guess to think hounds are badass and legit (though generally speaking florida is more curs I think, but that line can get blurry). All these rugged outdoorsy guys are passionate about hounds, but it's a very niche thing and you have to switch off "AvA brain" completely to not think they're gay as hell. Curs are ok, curs are fighters, just cautious and smart tactical fighters who "float like a butterfly and sting like a bee". That's fine. But scenthounds are straight up pussies, they are SUPPOSED to be. They are valued for their pussiness. That pussiness means you get a clean shot on the animal at the end, and THAT is what these hunters are addicted to. The dopamine rush they get with that shot. They'll turn a blind eye to the inherit shitty character of their dogs and just look at it from a totally different angle where they themselves are the hero and the dog is nothing, just background noise. I've always been fight focussed and animal focussed as opposed to worrying about myself and what I'm doing. I watch dogs the way other people watch lions on a nat geo documentary, like the animal is the hero, so when you do that scenthounds just get a big thumbs down. They're "lackeys" and snivelling sidekicks with a big man hero. The people who like them want to be that hero and want the cool "weapons" of a hero like batman. I want to appreciate dogs like they are batman, so scenthounds are off the table. Agreed. There are also many, many instances of Wolves, German Shepherds, livestock guardian dogs, herding dogs, or even a large pet dog killing Scenthounds. The only instances I have seen of other dogs being killed by Scenthounds is a small pampered pet dog who really has no line of defense against Scenthounds. The men who use Scenthounds will throw a fit about fights with other dogs because thats how they raised them. They raised them to be tough when there is no fighting involved, but if there is fighting, they run from it. They then are faced with the reality that is good with hunting, but means they can get their ass kicked by any larger dog. EVEN PACKS of Scenthounds have been killed by other dogs. That should prove this. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 19, 2023 12:23:49 GMT
Well it's the culture in your area I guess to think hounds are badass and legit (though generally speaking florida is more curs I think, but that line can get blurry). All these rugged outdoorsy guys are passionate about hounds, but it's a very niche thing and you have to switch off "AvA brain" completely to not think they're gay as hell. Curs are ok, curs are fighters, just cautious and smart tactical fighters who "float like a butterfly and sting like a bee". That's fine. But scenthounds are straight up pussies, they are SUPPOSED to be. They are valued for their pussiness. That pussiness means you get a clean shot on the animal at the end, and THAT is what these hunters are addicted to. The dopamine rush they get with that shot. They'll turn a blind eye to the inherit shitty character of their dogs and just look at it from a totally different angle where they themselves are the hero and the dog is nothing, just background noise. I've always been fight focussed and animal focussed as opposed to worrying about myself and what I'm doing. I watch dogs the way other people watch lions on a nat geo documentary, like the animal is the hero, so when you do that scenthounds just get a big thumbs down. They're "lackeys" and snivelling sidekicks with a big man hero. The people who like them want to be that hero and want the cool "weapons" of a hero like batman. I want to appreciate dogs like they are batman, so scenthounds are off the table. Agreed. There are also many, many instances of Wolves, German Shepherds, livestock guardian dogs, herding dogs, or even a large pet dog killing Scenthounds. The only instances I have seen of other dogs being killed by Scenthounds is a small pampered pet dog who really has no line of defense against Scenthounds. The men who use Scenthounds will throw a fit about fights with other dogs because thats how they raised them. They raised them to be tough when there is no fighting involved, but if there is fighting, they run from it. They then are faced with the reality that is good with hunting, but means they can get their ass kicked by any larger dog. EVEN PACKS of Scenthounds have been killed by other dogs. That should prove this.  I actually agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 13:13:08 GMT
Agreed. There are also many, many instances of Wolves, German Shepherds, livestock guardian dogs, herding dogs, or even a large pet dog killing Scenthounds. The only instances I have seen of other dogs being killed by Scenthounds is a small pampered pet dog who really has no line of defense against Scenthounds. The men who use Scenthounds will throw a fit about fights with other dogs because thats how they raised them. They raised them to be tough when there is no fighting involved, but if there is fighting, they run from it. They then are faced with the reality that is good with hunting, but means they can get their ass kicked by any larger dog. EVEN PACKS of Scenthounds have been killed by other dogs. That should prove this. I actually agree. I just still find it embarrassing that a lone wolf or a lone German Shepherd can go against a pack of scenthounds and still win. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 19, 2023 13:39:55 GMT
I actually agree. I just still find it embarrassing that a lone wolf or a lone German Shepherd can go against a pack of scenthounds and still win. Yes. I've had a very hard time in the past where a bunch of scenthounds (whether coonhounds or hamiltonstovares or whatever) get decimated and schooled by one animal, and then dog haters are like "well yes I understand the pitbull is a better fighter, but still I think this case of 18 hamilton hounds being destroyed by one lynx indicates the pitbull stands no chance". And no, actually, it doesn't. A pitbull would kill 47 of them, it's not an issue, these are extraordinarily reluctant and standoffish fighters where how low their fighting bar is can't be overstated. There is also mention in hunting circles of patterdales and jagd terriers beating up and even killing coonhounds. Crucially this testimony is not coming from enthusiastic patterdale and jagd fans, it's coming from irritated and annoyed coonhound fans. That just makes it definitely true. We're talking about a scenthound emphatically losing to a dog 1/4 it's size, sometimes less. They are anti-fight animals to a weird level and people generalising "dogs" based on asshole scenthound ineptitude is probably my number 1 pet hate. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 13:52:15 GMT
I just still find it embarrassing that a lone wolf or a lone German Shepherd can go against a pack of scenthounds and still win. Yes. I've had a very hard time in the past where a bunch of scenthounds (whether coonhounds or hamiltonstovares or whatever) get decimated and schooled by one animal, and then dog haters are like "well yes I understand the pitbull is a better fighter, but still I think this case of 18 hamilton hounds being destroyed by one lynx indicates the pitbull stands no chance". And no, actually, it doesn't. A pitbull would kill 47 of them, it's not an issue, these are extraordinarily reluctant and standoffish fighters where how low their fighting bar is can't be overstated. There is also mention in hunting circles of patterdales and jagd terriers beating up and even killing coonhounds. Crucially this testimony is not coming from enthusiastic patterdale and jagd fans, it's coming from irritated and annoyed coonhound fans. That just makes it definitely true. We're talking about a scenthound emphatically losing to a dog 1/4 it's size, sometimes less. They are anti-fight animals to a weird level and people generalising "dogs" based on asshole scenthound ineptitude is probably my number 1 pet hate. The only Scenthounds I like watching are Beagles and Foxhounds. Plotthounds too but it depends. Many fucking Plotthound owners issues are that they themselves are idiots. They’re like “well why did my dogs fight a livestock guardian dog when they’re supposed to be pursuing a deer!” |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 19, 2023 14:04:51 GMT
For me scent hound appreciation is limited to foxhounds and otterhounds, in Britain. I'm open to bloodhounds showcasing their tracking abilities. But yeah I find myself very turned off by most scenthound content.
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