Hunting Dogo Argentino vs Fighting Alabai

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Alabai may be too big for the Dogo, a 180lb fighting Alabai should clobber a 120lb hunting Dogo but I've also seen more Dogo victories than Alabai victories on my.mail.ru

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I always forget to add a poll. Lol.

[lincoln]

Oct 20, 2022 20:27:25 GMT Bolushi said:

Alabai may be too big for the Dogo, a 180lb fighting Alabai should clobber a 120lb hunting Dogo but I've also seen more Dogo victories than Alabai victories on my.mail.ru

So is this hypothetical situation between a 120 pound dogo and 180 pound Alabai? Or different sizes?

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Oct 21, 2022 8:45:11 GMT lincoln said:

Oct 20, 2022 20:27:25 GMT Bolushi said:

Alabai may be too big for the Dogo, a 180lb fighting Alabai should clobber a 120lb hunting Dogo but I've also seen more Dogo victories than Alabai victories on my.mail.ru

So is this hypothetical situation between a 120 pound dogo and 180 pound Alabai? Or different sizes?

Yes, the Dogo is inevitably going to be much smaller than the Alabai. The Alabai can be 140-150-160-170-180-190-200lbs if we want, I just used what I figured was average.

[Hardcastle]

TBH don't like the dogos chances because of the size difference and the fact the alabai is a fighting dog. If it was just an LGD alabai vs a hunting dogo the dogo MAY be able to overcome the size advantage with it's skill and experience advantage, but since it's a fighting alabai it will know all the tricks and be able to use it's weight advantage well.
The size difference is huge too. 120 lbs is very generous for a real hunting dogo, most won't be that big. Dogos are actually on the smaller side for boarhounds, they're almost more like bulldog x boarhound blends with a really heavy dose of bull and a lower percentage of running dog, than the typical boarhound design. My bull arab is actually short for a bull arab and she is 26 inches tall, but that's about as tall as male dogos get. She also only weighs 80 lbs.
This is what that looks like -

So a 26" dogo weighing 120 lbs? That's one burly blocky chunk of dog, wouldn't be fit to hunt tbh, just catch. I think some lead-in catch dogos in the USA might be 110-120 lbs but not the real ones that do everything. I think it's stamina couldn't be great with that much meat weighing down on it's little frame.

It's tough, you want to get the size so the alabai doesn't have too much of a size advantage, but you actually start handicapping a dogo when it gets too much size. It's just a way way way smaller dog regardless of how much meat is on it's bones. And yeah, I think the alabai takes this. The dogo would be better against other animals than the alabai, but against eachother I say alabai.

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Oct 22, 2022 0:02:53 GMT Hardcastle said:

TBH don't like the dogos chances because of the size difference and the fact the alabai is a fighting dog. If it was just an LGD alabai vs a hunting dogo the dogo MAY be able to overcome the size advantage with it's skill and experience advantage, but since it's a fighting alabai it will know all the tricks and be able to use it's weight advantage well.
The size difference is huge too. 120 lbs is very generous for a real hunting dogo, most won't be that big. Dogos are actually on the smaller side for boarhounds, they're almost more like bulldog x boarhound blends with a really heavy dose of bull and a lower percentage of running dog, than the typical boarhound design. My bull arab is actually short for a bull arab and she is 26 inches tall, but that's about as tall as male dogos get. She also only weighs 80 lbs.
This is what that looks like -

So a 26" dogo weighing 120 lbs? That's one burly blocky chunk of dog, wouldn't be fit to hunt tbh, just catch. I think some lead-in catch dogos in the USA might be 110-120 lbs but not the real ones that do everything. I think it's stamina couldn't be great with that much meat weighing down on it's little frame.

It's tough, you want to get the size so the alabai doesn't have too much of a size advantage, but you actually start handicapping a dogo when it gets too much size. It's just a way way way smaller dog regardless of how much meat is on it's bones. And yeah, I think the alabai takes this. The dogo would be better against other animals than the alabai, but against eachother I say alabai.

What are your thoughts on 130lb Dogos? I even heard about a 140lb Dogo which sounds like an absolute disaster.

[Hardcastle]

Yes, but it depends how tall they are. A lot of weight can squeeze comfortably into a couple more inches of height. In fact from what I have seen, 20 lbs seems to squeeze in without ill effect every 2 inches.
If it was an atypically tall dogo of say 30" (and I don't know if that happens, but hypothetically) maybe 120 lbs would be ok. For 140 lbs you'd need more like 32", and I don't believe such a dogo exists. 34" boarhounds can be 160 lbs and be ok. 36" boarhounds (pretty much just danes and bully kuttas or maybe a dane x wolfhound) can be 180 lbs. I mean they can be higher, but still functional (within reason- still diminished lbs for lbs compared to a 90 lbs dog) possibly up to 180.

Bulldogs are maybe a little different. Caporal was 25 inches and 108 lbs and obviously optimal functionality. I think an optimal boarhound at that height would be 80 lbs.
Dogos seem to be somewhere in between like I said, or some of the modern ones anyway, and those used as lead-in catch dogs.

I think this basically checks out-

Boarhounds
24" - 60 lbs
26" - 80 lbs
28" - 100 lbs
30" - 120 lbs
32" - 140 lbs
34" - 160 lbs
36" - 180 lbs

Bulldogs
17" - 30 lbs
19" - 50 lbs
21" - 70 lbs
23" - 90 lbs
25" - 110 lbs
27" - 130 lbs

Wild dogs (Coyotes and wolves)
24" - 20 lbs
26" - 40 lbs
28" - 50 lbs
30" - 80 lbs
32" - 100 lbs
34" - 120 lbs
36" - 140 lbs

[Hardcastle]

LGDS
24" - 75 lbs
26" - 95 lbs
28" - 115 lbs
30" - 135 lbs
32" - 155 lbs
34" - 175 lbs
36" - 195 lbs

[Hardcastle]

Sighthounds don't work out quite as well-

22" - 10 lbs
24" - 30 lbs
26" - 50 lbs
28" - 70 lbs
30" - 90 lbs
32" - 110 lbs
34" - 130 lbs
36" - 150 lbs

because whippets at 22" actually weigh 28 lbs, and wolfhounds typically weigh about 150 lbs at 34", but both aren't really pure sighthounds. The rest work out I think.

[theundertaker45]

Very busy at the moment and almost can't post; but here is a quick comparison I can offer for this thread as I coincidentally happened to prepare some models of domestic dogs.

[Hardcastle]

Random, but highly appreciated. Looks accurate, have unfortunately seen a small handful of sketchy dogo vs alabai fights from russia and china (without seeking them out) and that's about what it looks like. Easy to see how it's a big uphill battle for the dogo but considering that they do reasonably ok with mixed results.

[Bolushi]

May 14, 2023 12:19:50 GMT theundertaker45 said:

Very busy at the moment and almost can't post; but here is a quick comparison I can offer for this thread as I coincidentally happened to prepare some models of domestic dogs.

It's amazing Dogos win at all with that kind of size difference. Looks like 160-175lbs vs 100-115lbs.

[Hardcastle]

A better contender from the boarhound ranks?


Still might be fighting uphill a little in just sheer power.

[Bolushi]

May 14, 2023 22:11:27 GMT Hardcastle said:

A better contender from the boarhound ranks?


Still might be fighting uphill a little in just sheer power.

I think LGDs may be a little like cats in that they get better as they get bigger- to a certain point. Like, a 165lb Alabai might be a good match for a 165lb gripper but a 100lb Alabai vs 100lb gripper is a whitewash shit show.