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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 31, 2022 11:43:41 GMT
Hmmm... does seem like the whale would struggle here. I'm a cetacean > Shark guy, but I feel like this was probably a fairly slowish cetacean, and this shark seems to be a total monster. 1 on 1 I'd give a slight edge, hesitantly, to livyatan but with 2 sharks coming at it from different angle I just think it might be screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 12:33:45 GMT
Hmmm... does seem like the whale would struggle here. I'm a cetacean > Shark guy, but I feel like this was probably a fairly slowish cetacean, and this shark seems to be a total monster. 1 on 1 I'd give a slight edge, hesitantly, to livyatan but with 2 sharks coming at it from different angle I just think it might be screwed. Do you think Angustidens should be used instead? It should be noted that most sources state that Angustidens was 9.3 m long depsite there being multiple teeth indicating a lengh of around 11.9 m. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 12:50:10 GMT
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 31, 2022 13:00:59 GMT
I think chubatensis is the better matchup. Actually when I see that I start thinking livyatan has a chance. I was imagining livyatan being only a little longer. Still, those two sharks will be a problem if they decide to attack.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 13:09:00 GMT
I think chubatensis is the better matchup. Actually when I see that I start thinking livyatan has a chance. I was imagining livyatan being only a little longer. Still, those two sharks will be a problem if they decide to attack. I generally favour sharks over cetaceans. I'm also pretty sure that some Great whites have been hunting False Killer whales, both are similar in size. Anyways, two Chubutensis would be way faster and would bite at the fins of the whale and cause tremendous blood loss - resulting in death. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 31, 2022 13:17:23 GMT
Hunting maybe. With their devastating ambush a great white definitely has the potential to assassinate it's superiors (I think they could actually, if they didn't have in-built reservations, assassinate far more impressive animals than they do), BUT face to face encounter... I think a false kw will "figure them out" and dismantle them, if they have to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 13:32:20 GMT
Hunting maybe. With their devastating ambush a great white definitely has the potential to assassinate it's superiors (I think they could actually, if they didn't have in-built reservations, assassinate far more impressive animals than they do), BUT face to face encounter... I think a false kw will "figure them out" and dismantle them, if they have to. The whale had a damaged dorsal fin, surely it must have seen the shark ^ www.cascadiaresearch.org/hawaii/july2010.htmI just realised this link doesn't work so I'll quote what it says: False killer whale with recent shark bite wound and a long-term injury to the dorsal fin, August 5, 2010. Photo by Dan McSweeney. This individual is HIPc127 in our catalog, first documented off Maui in March 2000 (with the bent dorsal fin), and seen several times since both off Maui and the island of Hawai‘i. The shark bite wound behind the dorsal fin is the first time we've documented evidence of an attack by a large shark on a false killer whale in Hawai‘i. " Another damaged dorsal fin ^ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3929637/"Cases where an adult Stejneger's beaked whale (Mesoplodon stejnegeri), with a mean mass of around 1,100 kg (2,400 lb),[84] ...were hunted and killed by great white sharks have also been observed." Source is "Mammals of North America" by D.E. Wilson and R.W. Kays for Princeton. Just showing how gws can hunt similar animals ^ |
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 31, 2022 14:19:21 GMT
Just to be clear I'm not surprised, in fact I think GWS can probably kill bigger better animals than we think, but I still question their ability in a face to face encounter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 14:25:44 GMT
Just to be clear I'm not surprised, in fact I think GWS can probably kill bigger better animals than we think, but I still question their ability in a face to face encounter. Well the shark bit the dorsal fin... which would be quite hard to do from an ambush. Also, I don't see why people question the fighting ability of a shark. Especially when comparing it to something like a False Killer whale that eats on small fish. There are multiple videos of gws fighting on youtube and they seem just fine lol. You don't need to be smart to be a good fighter (which is obvious in a large array of animals). |
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 31, 2022 14:49:32 GMT
I will be honest and say I haven't seen these videos of GWS fighting on youtube. I was a big shark guy between 1999 and 2002, but have kind of neglected them since. I didn't think GWS "fought". That would be surprising. NOW cheetahs also fight, and that's neither here nor there, sometimes intraspecific conflict is so ritualised in accordance with the animal's inherent nature and tendencies it doesn't actually translate to fighting other animals. Still would like to watch great whites fighting and assess their fighting ability.
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