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Post by lincoln on Dec 3, 2022 23:45:04 GMT
Like I said, they don’t know what a A.P.B.T is so even if it’s just a bully mix it still gets called a “Pitbull” |
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 4, 2022 0:15:49 GMT
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Post by Johnson on Dec 4, 2022 0:26:00 GMT
Like I said, they don’t know what a A.P.B.T is so even if it’s just a bully mix it still gets called a “Pitbull” They do know it since they can test the DNA. I think you are just making up stuff about 'no one knowing' of the pitbull. |
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Post by lincoln on Dec 4, 2022 0:35:06 GMT
Like I said, they don’t know what a A.P.B.T is so even if it’s just a bully mix it still gets called a “Pitbull” They do know it since they can test the DNA. I think you are just making up stuff about 'no one knowing' of the pitbull. They don’t care about the dna. Did you really think they care about that enough to actually do a dna test? They don’t, they just go off looks and peoples word on what bit them. what I say is true, most people have never seen a legit A.P.B.T |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 0:45:41 GMT
Like I said, they don’t know what a A.P.B.T is so even if it’s just a bully mix it still gets called a “Pitbull” They do know it since they can test the DNA. I think you are just making up stuff about 'no one knowing' of the pitbull. They can, but they don't. Prove they do. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 0:50:15 GMT
They do know it since they can test the DNA. I think you are just making up stuff about 'no one knowing' of the pitbull. They don’t care about the dna. Did you really think they care about that enough to actually do a dna test? They don’t, they just go off looks and peoples word on what bit them. what I say is true, most people have never seen a legit A.P.B.T We have a biased study targeting gripping dogs and 2 select areas showing BSL ever so slightly improves public safety, thus justifying mass murder of dogs and abusing the public. That's quite damning evidence ain't it? |
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Post by Johnson on Dec 4, 2022 1:05:02 GMT
They do know it since they can test the DNA. I think you are just making up stuff about 'no one knowing' of the pitbull. They don’t care about the dna. Did you really think they care about that enough to actually do a dna test? They don’t, they just go off looks and peoples word on what bit them. what I say is true, most people have never seen a legit A.P.B.T So you are telling me A.P.B.T. does not exist anymore? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 1:24:16 GMT
They don’t care about the dna. Did you really think they care about that enough to actually do a dna test? They don’t, they just go off looks and peoples word on what bit them. what I say is true, most people have never seen a legit A.P.B.T So you are telling me A.P.B.T. does not exist anymore? They exist, but you'd be hard pressed to find real APBT attacks. |
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Post by Johnson on Dec 4, 2022 3:48:26 GMT
They do know it since they can test the DNA. I think you are just making up stuff about 'no one knowing' of the pitbull. They don’t care about the dna. Did you really think they care about that enough to actually do a dna test? They don’t, they just go off looks and peoples word on what bit them. what I say is true, most people have never seen a legit A.P.B.T Pitbulls are considered to be an identifiable breed by the appellate courts. "The trial court found that the American Pit Bull Terrier is a recognized breed of dog readily identifiable by laymen." - Garcia v. Village of Tijeras, Court of Appeals of New Mexico (1988) "Plaintiffs contend that there is no such thing as a pit bull dog... Veterinarians opine that ordinary citizens may be trained to identify the breed of a dog based on the dog's physical appearance. In fact, one resident of the County gave testimony that he was able to determine the breed of the dog he owned after comparing its physical conformation to that of other pit bulls he had seen in the media... Presently, there exists no better method of identifying a pit bull dog than by its appearance. Even if a scientific method is developed to identify breeds of dogs, an enforcement scheme will still depend on initial visual identification... If, after consulting the ordinance, an owner remains in a quandary as to whether the ordinance applied to him, the owner could seek guidance from a dictionary, a guidebook to dogs or from his or her veterinarian." American Dog Owners v. Dade County, Fla., 728 F. Supp. 1533 - Dist. Court, SD Florida 1989 "Pit bull dogs possess unique and readily identifiable physical and behavioral traits which are capable of recognition both by dog owners of ordinary intelligence..." - Ohio v. Anderson, Supreme Court of Ohio (1991) "pitbull dogs are distinctive enough that the ordinary dog owner knows or can discover with reasonable effort whether he or she owns such a dog" - Ohio v. Anderson, Supreme Court of Ohio (1991) "This court has previously held that the term "pit bull" is not unconstitutionally void for vagueness. In State v. Anderson, we stated: " In sum, we believe that the physical and behavioral traits of pit bulls together with the commonly available knowledge of dog breeds typically acquired by potential dog owners or otherwise possessed by veterinarians or breeders are sufficient to inform a dog owner as to whether he owns a dog commonly known as a pit bull dog." -Toledo v. Tellings, 2007 Ohio 3724 - Ohio: Supreme Court 2007 So, the owner should be able to identify the pitbull. If not he can get his info from vets and breeders. There are 100% APBTs in shelters. These are the ones that got DNA tested on Embark. This means there are a lot of dangerous APBTs as well as Staffordshire Terriers as well as mixes.  Even if you want to point out how pure APBT are rare, then I could point out that all pitbulls or pitbull-type dogs are unsafe, which is why some countries outright banned them. Better safe than sorry. |
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Post by lincoln on Dec 4, 2022 3:58:00 GMT
They don’t care about the dna. Did you really think they care about that enough to actually do a dna test? They don’t, they just go off looks and peoples word on what bit them. what I say is true, most people have never seen a legit A.P.B.T So you are telling me A.P.B.T. does not exist anymore? They do, they are just not the “Pitbulls” you see on a daily basis |
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Post by lincoln on Dec 4, 2022 4:08:36 GMT
They don’t care about the dna. Did you really think they care about that enough to actually do a dna test? They don’t, they just go off looks and peoples word on what bit them. what I say is true, most people have never seen a legit A.P.B.T Pitbulls are considered to be an identifiable breed by the appellate courts. "The trial court found that the American Pit Bull Terrier is a recognized breed of dog readily identifiable by laymen." - Garcia v. Village of Tijeras, Court of Appeals of New Mexico (1988) "Plaintiffs contend that there is no such thing as a pit bull dog... Veterinarians opine that ordinary citizens may be trained to identify the breed of a dog based on the dog's physical appearance. In fact, one resident of the County gave testimony that he was able to determine the breed of the dog he owned after comparing its physical conformation to that of other pit bulls he had seen in the media... Presently, there exists no better method of identifying a pit bull dog than by its appearance. Even if a scientific method is developed to identify breeds of dogs, an enforcement scheme will still depend on initial visual identification... If, after consulting the ordinance, an owner remains in a quandary as to whether the ordinance applied to him, the owner could seek guidance from a dictionary, a guidebook to dogs or from his or her veterinarian." American Dog Owners v. Dade County, Fla., 728 F. Supp. 1533 - Dist. Court, SD Florida 1989 "Pit bull dogs possess unique and readily identifiable physical and behavioral traits which are capable of recognition both by dog owners of ordinary intelligence..." - Ohio v. Anderson, Supreme Court of Ohio (1991) "pitbull dogs are distinctive enough that the ordinary dog owner knows or can discover with reasonable effort whether he or she owns such a dog" - Ohio v. Anderson, Supreme Court of Ohio (1991) "This court has previously held that the term "pit bull" is not unconstitutionally void for vagueness. In State v. Anderson, we stated: " In sum, we believe that the physical and behavioral traits of pit bulls together with the commonly available knowledge of dog breeds typically acquired by potential dog owners or otherwise possessed by veterinarians or breeders are sufficient to inform a dog owner as to whether he owns a dog commonly known as a pit bull dog." -Toledo v. Tellings, 2007 Ohio 3724 - Ohio: Supreme Court 2007 So, the owner should be able to identify the pitbull. If not he can get his info from vets and breeders. There are 100% APBTs in shelters. These are the ones that got DNA tested on Embark. This means there are a lot of dangerous APBTs as well as Staffordshire Terriers as well as mixes. Even if you want to point out how pure APBT are rare, then I could point out that all pitbulls or pitbull-type dogs are unsafe, which is why some countries outright banned them. Better safe than sorry. Pure A.P.B.Ts in shelters are very rare, and even if you find one that is pure A.P.B.T it likely has poor genetics, purebred does not mean well bred. This goes for any breed. A well bred A.P.B.T should not be human aggressive most of the dogs in those pictures do not look like A.P.B.Ts. Dogs like Ezekiel and sweetie I find very hard to believe, dogs like Venus and luna it’s hard to tell because of how small they are in the picture, the puppies it’s harder to tell because they are not fully developed. Even if they were pure A.P.B.Ts that’s just 12 dogs. A DNA test isn’t even a great thing to go off of because you don’t know what dogs genetics they originally used in their database to see what a “purebred Pitbull” was, likely they did it based off their looks because before they have the DNA to go off they have to be like, “this looks like a purebred, let’s add this breeds genetics to our database” without actually being sure if it’s actually a purebred dog or not you often can’t take a breeders word unless you sure it is a responsible breeder that knows what they are doing ”better safe then sorry” I guess we better ban mosquitos then, have you seen the amount of people they kill? this is what a legit true A.P.B.T is supposed to look like: Attachments:
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 4, 2022 4:10:09 GMT
"Better safe than sorry."
How do you respond to the fact that humans are literally 8000 times more likely to murder you than dogs in general? Don't you think maybe this is a weird obscure cause to get behind given that fact?
Humans aren't 8000 times the population of dogs btw, they are about 7 times the population. So when you see a random person they are significantly more than 1000 times more likely to kill you than a pitbull. Why would you worry about pitbulls? Of all things?
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 4, 2022 4:23:48 GMT
Media focus on a narrative can create the impression of an epidemic.
It's like recently when they focussed on videos of black people randomly attacking asian people, and acted like it was because of Corona virus. They had like 15 cases on the ready of black people randomly walking up and punching old chinese ladies in the face or whatever, and it was like "this is crazy! Something has to be done!!!". What people don't understand is, they actually have 800 000 videos of mentally ill people attacking strangers for no reason. All colours on both sides of the beating (although admittedly black people are more likely to be desitute and brain damaged by drugs and mentally ill, due to higher rates of being impoverished)
Mentally ill people are doing that all day everywhere in every city all over the world. You can make up any story you want. You can say people in green trousers are attacking people in pink shirts, and scour through the 800 000 videos and find 10 videos with that dynamic and show only them on the news. Pink shirts people will hence-forth live in fear, but it's a fabricated problem. Same with pitbulls. Dog attacks are very much a tiny non-issue. Are pitbull types more likely to do damage when they attack? Sure, but the problem of dog attacks is just a drop in the ocean of problems anyway. Bicycles are a way way bigger problem. Around 60 000 cyclists are killed on the roads each year, vs 50 people killed by dogs. That's the reality. Why not campaign against bicycles?
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Post by Johnson on Dec 4, 2022 20:29:33 GMT
"Better safe than sorry." How do you respond to the fact that humans are literally 8000 times more likely to murder you than dogs in general? Don't you think maybe this is a weird obscure cause to get behind given that fact? Humans aren't 8000 times the population of dogs btw, they are about 7 times the population. So when you see a random person they are significantly more than 1000 times more likely to kill you than a pitbull. Why would you worry about pitbulls? Of all things? Lol. Bad humans are a long time problem. Shitbull are a useless child killing breed that can still properly be banned. |
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Post by Johnson on Dec 4, 2022 20:34:43 GMT
Pitbulls are considered to be an identifiable breed by the appellate courts. "The trial court found that the American Pit Bull Terrier is a recognized breed of dog readily identifiable by laymen." - Garcia v. Village of Tijeras, Court of Appeals of New Mexico (1988) "Plaintiffs contend that there is no such thing as a pit bull dog... Veterinarians opine that ordinary citizens may be trained to identify the breed of a dog based on the dog's physical appearance. In fact, one resident of the County gave testimony that he was able to determine the breed of the dog he owned after comparing its physical conformation to that of other pit bulls he had seen in the media... Presently, there exists no better method of identifying a pit bull dog than by its appearance. Even if a scientific method is developed to identify breeds of dogs, an enforcement scheme will still depend on initial visual identification... If, after consulting the ordinance, an owner remains in a quandary as to whether the ordinance applied to him, the owner could seek guidance from a dictionary, a guidebook to dogs or from his or her veterinarian." American Dog Owners v. Dade County, Fla., 728 F. Supp. 1533 - Dist. Court, SD Florida 1989 "Pit bull dogs possess unique and readily identifiable physical and behavioral traits which are capable of recognition both by dog owners of ordinary intelligence..." - Ohio v. Anderson, Supreme Court of Ohio (1991) "pitbull dogs are distinctive enough that the ordinary dog owner knows or can discover with reasonable effort whether he or she owns such a dog" - Ohio v. Anderson, Supreme Court of Ohio (1991) "This court has previously held that the term "pit bull" is not unconstitutionally void for vagueness. In State v. Anderson, we stated: " In sum, we believe that the physical and behavioral traits of pit bulls together with the commonly available knowledge of dog breeds typically acquired by potential dog owners or otherwise possessed by veterinarians or breeders are sufficient to inform a dog owner as to whether he owns a dog commonly known as a pit bull dog." -Toledo v. Tellings, 2007 Ohio 3724 - Ohio: Supreme Court 2007 So, the owner should be able to identify the pitbull. If not he can get his info from vets and breeders. There are 100% APBTs in shelters. These are the ones that got DNA tested on Embark. This means there are a lot of dangerous APBTs as well as Staffordshire Terriers as well as mixes. Even if you want to point out how pure APBT are rare, then I could point out that all pitbulls or pitbull-type dogs are unsafe, which is why some countries outright banned them. Better safe than sorry. Pure A.P.B.Ts in shelters are very rare, and even if you find one that is pure A.P.B.T it likely has poor genetics, purebred does not mean well bred. This goes for any breed. A well bred A.P.B.T should not be human aggressive most of the dogs in those pictures do not look like A.P.B.Ts. Dogs like Ezekiel and sweetie I find very hard to believe, dogs like Venus and luna it’s hard to tell because of how small they are in the picture, the puppies it’s harder to tell because they are not fully developed. Even if they were pure A.P.B.Ts that’s just 12 dogs. A DNA test isn’t even a great thing to go off of because you don’t know what dogs genetics they originally used in their database to see what a “purebred Pitbull” was, likely they did it based off their looks because before they have the DNA to go off they have to be like, “this looks like a purebred, let’s add this breeds genetics to our database” without actually being sure if it’s actually a purebred dog or not you often can’t take a breeders word unless you sure it is a responsible breeder that knows what they are doing ”better safe then sorry” I guess we better ban mosquitos then, have you seen the amount of people they kill? this is what a legit true A.P.B.T is supposed to look like: Your bs is getting boring. You seem to be making up too much stuff on the spot. I respect the bans since the countries don't care about hurting pit mommy feelings. If it makes you feel any better, all pitbull type dogs need a ban. |
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