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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 12:10:21 GMT
Absolutely 0 known interactions. One source though claims andean bears avoid jaguars, that's all that exists. If I was a Jaguar fan (I mean I am, but not hardcore) I might point to the distribution of the spectacled bear and the american black bear and suggest that they seem to be generally avoiding jaguars, like Jaguars are limiting their distribution. Possibly. Nope, nothing suggests that at all, especially with black bears. Andean bears have less than 18.000 individuals. Jaguars and andean bears might also live at different elevations. Black bears would actually benefit from jaguars by stealing their kills. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 23, 2023 12:39:41 GMT
If I was a Jaguar fan (I mean I am, but not hardcore) I might point to the distribution of the spectacled bear and the american black bear and suggest that they seem to be generally avoiding jaguars, like Jaguars are limiting their distribution. Possibly. Nope, nothing suggests that at all, especially with black bears. Andean bears have less than 18.000 individuals. Jaguars and andean bears might also live at different elevations. Black bears would actually benefit from jaguars by stealing their kills. It's all speculative, but the distributions are almost like puzzle pieces.   |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Aug 23, 2023 16:59:29 GMT
Well; I'm still not seeing an average weight for the jaguar. If we are going to use only the largest jaguars, then we should go by the same rule with the black bear. Any jaguar fans here? Here are the average weights of all jaguar subspecies. " For example,Hoogesteijn and Mondolfi (1996) found that floodplain jaguarswere significantly larger [body mass: Llanos =104.5 kg (males),66.9 kg (females) and Pantanal =99.5 kg (males), 76.7 kg(females)] than forest jaguars [body mass: Amazon =83.6 kg(males), no data for females and Central American =56.1 kg(males), 41.4 kg (females)]" |
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Post by grampa on Aug 23, 2023 17:19:11 GMT
So, the average of these figures (104.5kg, 99.5kg, 83.6kg, and 56.1kg) equals roughly (check my math) about 190 pounds. If I'm right, then we have a 190 pound jaguar vs a 272 pound black bear.
The poll seems to be kinda strange. Anyway, I vote that a male black bear can defeat a male jaguar; female black bear can defeat a female jaguar (roughly 7 out of 10).
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Post by lincoln on Aug 24, 2023 9:01:34 GMT
If they are the same size or close in size I say Jaguar
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Post by grampa on Aug 24, 2023 9:17:44 GMT
There is no evidence to suggest that jaguars hunt and kill adult Andean bears. There is one single known account of a jaguar killing an American black bear from ambush. Big cats simply don't do well against bears, face-to-face, except when the big cat has a substantial weight advantage.
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