This one looks like a tie, but the dogo here at the end looked weirdly exhausted despite being the one who was holding the bulldog by the cheek despite being on the ground.
While presa canarios fair pretty bad against both, and it's not an exception but the norm from the videos I've seen, here an American bulldog busted that presa and it's the only presa v bulldog video I've found
Sure we can use the excuse that these are pet presas (but their original working role ain't worse that what dogos and bulldogs are bred to do tbh, most original working presas were LGD and sometimes used as Canary Catchdogs for cattle...sure formidable but dogos are bred e.x.c.l.u.s.i.v.e.l.y for physical confrontations with boars, and they have also caught and subdued bulls both in pen fights both free roaming cattle) but keep in mind those are also pet dogos and pet bulldogs aswell.
I also see no real preydrive in those dogos and bulldogs(both when they fight presas both when they fight other dogs in general including LGDs), i see two dogs that know both are dogs and therefore "rivals".
The consequence? They fight almost more "territorially" also indicated by the fact that some just lay on each other and try to dominate the latter.
Now, convince the dogo or the bulldog that the other dog is not an opponent but a prey, just like the way they see boars when they hunt them. THERE everything will change.
This gameness type works for big game catchdogs and in arena apbts in the same way despite these dogs have two different roles (but some fan be adapted to each other's one); and it is this instinct being exploited.
It requires changing the dog's perception of other dogs to be prey or vermin, and they're doing it for their human pack mate. That insane commitment to success at all costs will only be found in a dog that is in prey drive.
For what it's worth and I've seen I put dogos, bulldogs and some bandogs types decisively as more formidable than presas, if we include non pet dogs the gap probably increases even slightly more. I'm sorry but I don't really see presas as that formidable.
Yea obviously a cougar doesn't want to test the stamina of a presa, I could see a huge aggressive tom with that individual kind of courage and macho attitude trying to prey one, I mean 200-220 lbs vs 100-120 lbs, the cat is twice its size and much more powerful, muscular and with by far much deadlier weaponry.
But generally a fight would be with the presa attacking and the cougar defending, I already said what i said, very lower weights 90-100 lbs cougars are too proportionally lightweight and more cheetah-like almost, and that's where dogs are proportionally ridicolously powerful.
110-120 lbs is interesting but we enter in the leopard v bully kutta example, the cat starts becoming pretty powerful and the major risk for the dog is to get outlasted in the damage department and getting killed, despite not being dominated, after a gruesome fight where the cat was on the defense all the time but managed to cause deadly and critical damage while the dog, if unable to get a choke grip, can't do much with its little teeth.
The more the sizes increase the more the dog starts being doomed, 130-145 lbs and above I think an aggressive and formidable ideal male cougar is just too good, look at this 131 lb male from Idaho, enormous skull and very massive appearance despite being below average (rocky mountain male cougars average in the range of 150-160 lbs).
These cougars are already far too large and powerful for their size than most working presas ranging from 90 to 120 lbs, and just like that fierce cougar (probably around 125-130 lbs) defeated and almost killed without a doubt the dogo argentino Tupac (90-105 lbs probably) I think it would happen the same.
Btw I've found a new dogo v cougar cage fight instance where the cougar performed formidably.
I haven't found it, CeoofSex (don't judge the name please) on discord managed to find me this new impressive cougar feat against a dogo that was trained to hunt only and exclusively cougars and it seemingly got defeated and nearly killed by the cougar just like Tupac.
I also think the size of the cougar is also [greatly] exaggerated, by looking at it if that dogo is stated to be 36 kg there's no way on earth that cougar is 70 kg, a 70 kg cougar would be much larger than that dogo but they look very similar in size, at least from the first image.
Apparently this encounter seems to be a similar situation to what happened to Nores's dogo named Tupac, the cougar was able in the second round to subdue and defeat the dogo by grabbing it with its jaws by the neck.
I think that the image on the bottom is probably the moment where the cougar is about to underwhelm the dogo, to note that the dogo had a COLLAR, although a mediocre thin layered one probably, but still managed to have the best of it and subdue it with a neck precise killing bite.
meses, caza solo y esencialmente pumas) ladraba, gemia,
se abalanzaba contra la puer
ta; estaba ansioso por luchar.
El puma (adulto, unos 70 kg.
40 cm de alzada y 2m 60 de
largo) observaba desconfiado
con esos caracteristicos ojos
asesinos, llenos de odio. Caru
entr贸 y ambos saltaron a rincones neutrales del "ring".
Luego, en el acto, chocaron en
el medio. Parado sobre sus
patas el puma lanz贸 "ganchos"-los m谩s veloces e increibles que vi en mi vida- de ambas manos y ramat贸 con sus fauces. Caru buscaba acortar distancias, trabajar aden-
tro. En el segundo encontronazo no logr贸. Rodaron, se pararon y no se separaron m谩s.
Dur贸 1m10s. El puma lo tonia aplastado contra el suelo y
con sus dientes clavados implacablemente en la garganta.
-
Caru (3 years, 36 kg, 40 cm
high, 1m 20 long
dogo argentino, son of Day, the
best copy that had
race; trained since the age of 8
months, hunts alone and essentially pumas) barked, moaned,
he rushed against the door
aunt; he was eager to fight.
The puma (adult, about 70 kg.
40 cm high and 2m 60 wide
long) watched suspiciously
with those characteristic eyes
murderers, full of hate. caru
entered and both jumped to neutral corners of the "ring".
Then, on the spot, they collided in
the middle. standing on his
legs the puma threw "hooks"-the fastest and most incredible I've ever seen-from both hands and rammed with its jaws. Caru sought to shorten distances, work forward. In the second clash he failed. They rolled, stopped, and were no longer separated. It lasted 1m10s. The puma had him pushed to the ground and with its teeth fixed relentlessly in the neck.
One thing for sure is that the cougar is nowhere close to 70 kg, if that dogo is apparently 36 kg, that cougar may be 40 - 45 kgish, 50 kg at best imo. Both look close to each other in size and it's apparently at the lower weights but the cougar performed very formidably and got the upperhand and defeated it. And that was no cull dogo.
The cougar that defeated Tupac did it more decisively although, because it was stated that it defeated the dogo without a doubt. This cougar did it in the second round, in the first one probably the dogo cur out a little and did some particular maneuvers and the cougar just sit in the corner defensive and hitting the dog with it's powerful paws and some warning bites to make it back it off.
While in the second encounter the cougar was probably caught off guard and the dogo got a hold on it (not a decisive one), so the cougar turned defensive on it's back and started raking the hell out of the dogo and managed to turn the tables and probably pin it down similar to how that cougar ragdolled and defeated that young dogo in that short video. I think it went in that way because it states that "They rolled, stopped, and were no longer separated."
Still impressive. Shows that cougars in that size range if they fight back aggressively and efficiently they can and do defeat dogos. We had the pawtrapped cougar as best example before , this one holds up very well aswell.
With the American Bulldog, most of those videos have me like: Those American Bulldogs are terrible. The first American Bulldog looked more like a Ca De Bou than an American Bulldog. It should be understood that the American Bulldog's basement is lower than the Dogo's, due to the explosion of very horrible lines. The best American Bulldogs give an APBT all it can handle, and the APBT guys I've talked to all tell me a Scott Ambull would shitwhip a Dogo. And from what I had saw previously, they do. They're more eager to fight other dogs as well. That's a big surprise, I guess when I was looking for videos of fights I had only saw 1 or 2 before I said "that correlates with what they said, yep". Alas, it needs to be understood those American Bulldogs are in far worse shape than the Dogos, at least a lot of them. American Bulldog would smash a Dogo in most fights if you took 2 working dogs and also do better against wild animals. Dogos never ever made it to the box, American Bulldogs have been. Ambulls and APBTs were at one point so close, and both so good, they were crossed... basically freely. APBTs have only been strictly kept APBT x APBT w/o Ambull blood since the 70s and then as they started going downhill they stopped a lot of that. In that time both breeds have fed off of each other, both of them are (or used to be, sadly, considering the infrequency of truly great specimens) "american bulldogs" if you think about it. It would be pretty crazy if even the best Dogos were beating American Bulldogs that were of true quality. Those Dogos in your video are the size they're supposed to be, while the American Bulldogs are too big and their muzzles are too short from being crossed with English Bulldog or some other weird ass shit etc. That first dog in particular, I mean god damn, WTF is that? That didn't even register to me as an Ambull. So yeah... don't take anything from those videos especially. They're all pets, but the Ambulls aren't even half decent pets like the Ambulls that show up on Wikipedia. --- The rest I mostly agree with. However take note a lot of those Ambulls are still probably better than a lot of the Dogos since I'm not sure a Dogo has any victories over any Tosa.
Interesting incident with the cougar. Question is, do you think some of the cougars Dogos are beating in those cage fights are serious real deal cougars or do you think all of the ones Dogos beat are stressed and nerfed? If some of these cougars are performing well I'd suspect some of the losers also perform to somewhere close to the best of their ability.
This one looks like a tie, but the dogo here at the end looked weirdly exhausted despite being the one who was holding the bulldog by the cheek despite being on the ground.
While presa canarios fair pretty bad against both, and it's not an exception but the norm from the videos I've seen, here an American bulldog busted that presa and it's the only presa v bulldog video I've found
Sure we can use the excuse that these are pet presas (but their original working role ain't worse that what dogos and bulldogs are bred to do tbh, most original working presas were LGD and sometimes used as Canary Catchdogs for cattle...sure formidable but dogos are bred e.x.c.l.u.s.i.v.e.l.y for physical confrontations with boars, and they have also caught and subdued bulls both in pen fights both free roaming cattle) but keep in mind those are also pet dogos and pet bulldogs aswell.
I also see no real preydrive in those dogos and bulldogs(both when they fight presas both when they fight other dogs in general including LGDs), i see two dogs that know both are dogs and therefore "rivals".
The consequence? They fight almost more "territorially" also indicated by the fact that some just lay on each other and try to dominate the latter.
Now, convince the dogo or the bulldog that the other dog is not an opponent but a prey, just like the way they see boars when they hunt them. THERE everything will change.
This gameness type works for big game catchdogs and in arena apbts in the same way despite these dogs have two different roles (but some fan be adapted to each other's one); and it is this instinct being exploited.
It requires changing the dog's perception of other dogs to be prey or vermin, and they're doing it for their human pack mate. That insane commitment to success at all costs will only be found in a dog that is in prey drive.
For what it's worth and I've seen I put dogos, bulldogs and some bandogs types decisively as more formidable than presas, if we include non pet dogs the gap probably increases even slightly more. I'm sorry but I don't really see presas as that formidable.
Yea obviously a cougar doesn't want to test the stamina of a presa, I could see a huge aggressive tom with that individual kind of courage and macho attitude trying to prey one, I mean 200-220 lbs vs 100-120 lbs, the cat is twice its size and much more powerful, muscular and with by far much deadlier weaponry.
But generally a fight would be with the presa attacking and the cougar defending, I already said what i said, very lower weights 90-100 lbs cougars are too proportionally lightweight and more cheetah-like almost, and that's where dogs are proportionally ridicolously powerful.
110-120 lbs is interesting but we enter in the leopard v bully kutta example, the cat starts becoming pretty powerful and the major risk for the dog is to get outlasted in the damage department and getting killed, despite not being dominated, after a gruesome fight where the cat was on the defense all the time but managed to cause deadly and critical damage while the dog, if unable to get a choke grip, can't do much with its little teeth.
The more the sizes increase the more the dog starts being doomed, 130-145 lbs and above I think an aggressive and formidable ideal male cougar is just too good, look at this 131 lb male from Idaho, enormous skull and very massive appearance despite being below average (rocky mountain male cougars average in the range of 150-160 lbs).
These cougars are already far too large and powerful for their size than most working presas ranging from 90 to 120 lbs, and just like that fierce cougar (probably around 125-130 lbs) defeated and almost killed without a doubt the dogo argentino Tupac (90-105 lbs probably) I think it would happen the same.
Btw I've found a new dogo v cougar cage fight instance where the cougar performed formidably.
I haven't found it, CeoofSex (don't judge the name please) on discord managed to find me this new impressive cougar feat against a dogo that was trained to hunt only and exclusively cougars and it seemingly got defeated and nearly killed by the cougar just like Tupac.
I also think the size of the cougar is also [greatly] exaggerated, by looking at it if that dogo is stated to be 36 kg there's no way on earth that cougar is 70 kg, a 70 kg cougar would be much larger than that dogo but they look very similar in size, at least from the first image.
Apparently this encounter seems to be a similar situation to what happened to Nores's dogo named Tupac, the cougar was able in the second round to subdue and defeat the dogo by grabbing it with its jaws by the neck.
I think that the image on the bottom is probably the moment where the cougar is about to underwhelm the dogo, to note that the dogo had a COLLAR, although a mediocre thin layered one probably, but still managed to have the best of it and subdue it with a neck precise killing bite.
meses, caza solo y esencialmente pumas) ladraba, gemia,
se abalanzaba contra la puer
ta; estaba ansioso por luchar.
El puma (adulto, unos 70 kg.
40 cm de alzada y 2m 60 de
largo) observaba desconfiado
con esos caracteristicos ojos
asesinos, llenos de odio. Caru
entr贸 y ambos saltaron a rincones neutrales del "ring".
Luego, en el acto, chocaron en
el medio. Parado sobre sus
patas el puma lanz贸 "ganchos"-los m谩s veloces e increibles que vi en mi vida- de ambas manos y ramat贸 con sus fauces. Caru buscaba acortar distancias, trabajar aden-
tro. En el segundo encontronazo no logr贸. Rodaron, se pararon y no se separaron m谩s.
Dur贸 1m10s. El puma lo tonia aplastado contra el suelo y
con sus dientes clavados implacablemente en la garganta.
-
Caru (3 years, 36 kg, 40 cm
high, 1m 20 long
dogo argentino, son of Day, the
best copy that had
race; trained since the age of 8
months, hunts alone and essentially pumas) barked, moaned,
he rushed against the door
aunt; he was eager to fight.
The puma (adult, about 70 kg.
40 cm high and 2m 60 wide
long) watched suspiciously
with those characteristic eyes
murderers, full of hate. caru
entered and both jumped to neutral corners of the "ring".
Then, on the spot, they collided in
the middle. standing on his
legs the puma threw "hooks"-the fastest and most incredible I've ever seen-from both hands and rammed with its jaws. Caru sought to shorten distances, work forward. In the second clash he failed. They rolled, stopped, and were no longer separated. It lasted 1m10s. The puma had him pushed to the ground and with its teeth fixed relentlessly in the neck.
One thing for sure is that the cougar is nowhere close to 70 kg, if that dogo is apparently 36 kg, that cougar may be 40 - 45 kgish, 50 kg at best imo. Both look close to each other in size and it's apparently at the lower weights but the cougar performed very formidably and got the upperhand and defeated it. And that was no cull dogo.
The cougar that defeated Tupac did it more decisively although, because it was stated that it defeated the dogo without a doubt. This cougar did it in the second round, in the first one probably the dogo cur out a little and did some particular maneuvers and the cougar just sit in the corner defensive and hitting the dog with it's powerful paws and some warning bites to make it back it off.
While in the second encounter the cougar was probably caught off guard and the dogo got a hold on it (not a decisive one), so the cougar turned defensive on it's back and started raking the hell out of the dogo and managed to turn the tables and probably pin it down similar to how that cougar ragdolled and defeated that young dogo in that short video. I think it went in that way because it states that "They rolled, stopped, and were no longer separated."
Still impressive. Shows that cougars in that size range if they fight back aggressively and efficiently they can and do defeat dogos. We had the pawtrapped cougar as best example before , this one holds up very well aswell.
With the American Bulldog, most of those videos have me like: Those American Bulldogs are terrible. The first American Bulldog looked more like a Ca De Bou than an American Bulldog. It should be understood that the American Bulldog's basement is lower than the Dogo's, due to the explosion of very horrible lines. The best American Bulldogs give an APBT all it can handle, and the APBT guys I've talked to all tell me a Scott Ambull would shitwhip a Dogo. And from what I had saw previously, they do. They're more eager to fight other dogs as well. That's a big surprise, I guess when I was looking for videos of fights I had only saw 1 or 2 before I said "that correlates with what they said, yep". Alas, it needs to be understood those American Bulldogs are in far worse shape than the Dogos, at least a lot of them. American Bulldog would smash a Dogo in most fights if you took 2 working dogs and also do better against wild animals. Dogos never ever made it to the box, American Bulldogs have been. Ambulls and APBTs were at one point so close, and both so good, they were crossed... basically freely. APBTs have only been strictly kept APBT x APBT w/o Ambull blood since the 70s and then as they started going downhill they stopped a lot of that. In that time both breeds have fed off of each other, both of them are (or used to be, sadly, considering the infrequency of truly great specimens) "american bulldogs" if you think about it. It would be pretty crazy if even the best Dogos were beating American Bulldogs that were of true quality. Those Dogos in your video are the size they're supposed to be, while the American Bulldogs are too big and their muzzles are too short from being crossed with English Bulldog or some other weird ass shit etc. That first dog in particular, I mean god damn, WTF is that? That didn't even register to me as an Ambull. So yeah... don't take anything from those videos especially. They're all pets, but the Ambulls aren't even half decent pets like the Ambulls that show up on Wikipedia. --- The rest I mostly agree with. However take note a lot of those Ambulls are still probably better than a lot of the Dogos since I'm not sure a Dogo has any victories over any Tosa.
Interesting incident with the cougar. Question is, do you think some of the cougars Dogos are beating in those cage fights are serious real deal cougars or do you think all of the ones Dogos beat are stressed and nerfed? If some of these cougars are performing well I'd suspect some of the losers also perform to somewhere close to the best of their ability.
Wow those American bulldogs are supreme and elite specimens, I really like them, not the middle ones because they give me too much APBT vibes and they kinda kill the "bulky" appearance you'd expect on a bulldog. The first one is probably the best looking one, although I have a little taste for the more alaunt looking ones that have a very close resemblance to the dogo, and this one right here is my favourite individual I've ever seen
Other examples
I've also seen some dogos perfectly comparing to that first AB you sent, this one as an example.
Note that I'm not one that "shits" on other breeds at favour of my favourite ones such as the dogo, but I feel that some of you here downplay the dogo a fair too evidently sometimes. I agree that there's better breeds for the original purpose the dogo's being bred, the Bull Arab as the best candidate obviously, these AB will certainly and do perform incredibly well in that role too
still gotta admit I'm a bit biased regarding the Dogal because I just don't really like them...but I admit . I feel the rivalry.
Regarding cougars I've already said my points clear, and Dale did too when he talked about some wild boars successfully being raised in captivity to enjoy cage fighting compared to cougars raised for that:
Adding the fact that Dale acknowledged it's actually possible to train a wild cat to become like that but 98 cases out of 100 will probably be a failure, with some actual few very good examples of success being Victor the huge barbary leopard and Wallance the lion. But generally it IS a failure, whereas a wild born animal with no other choice can be an actual challenge. They have just a different mentality, they care about themselves so much that if they have no other choice they'll give out the biggest resistance and defensive performance they can.
Many cougars in pen fights obviously kick back, would be dumb for an animal just laying still quietly and peacefully in such situation when someone is mauling you.
Even my domestic pampered male cat does, although he is very bad at kicking and is barely able to use his claws. My ex feral female is on another level and that's why I almost never playfight with her by blocking softly her head with my much larger hand and let her use her rear limbs to kick my hand/wirst. Because she DOES damage contrary to what the male does. Once by mistake I was petting her rear paw. Soft and cute, I have a weakness for cat paws. That retard of my male cat attacked her playfully but she didn't expect it so she got scared and freaked out. I was holding her rear paw when this happened. She used her full force on that limb to set free. She got me a scratch that was probably an inch deep and even damaged one of my tendons that I struggled moving well my index finger for a month straight. My male cat has at worst scratched a little bit me, he's never been able to do something similar to what she accidentally did. Clear difference between a domestic cat and an ex feral one . She also bites a lot harder and knows how to use badly her weapons.
Back on cougar thing, some pen fight cougars just look too "faggotish" to me in terms of temperament, similar to how you and Dale defined those Bully Kuttas crying in pain and performing bad against that smallish leopard despite being 1v6 .
I mean look at these, they just don't really wanna fight not even in close quarters, they want to escape everytime, they barely put out some resistance, some don't even dare to attack first even when in close quarters. I've seen wild cougars getting harassed by hounds charging straight and them and grabbing them by the head or the neck for comparison .
^^This one is the guy that infuriates me the most. Very faggotish, lets the dogo bite its upped neck and stands motionless, still, like those weak bullied people. They when the dogo pins it down it displays 2 or 3 desperate attempted rakes but immediately stops again, then mops the floor while barely even trying to kick, gets up and wanders around with the dogo grabbing its limbs and barely looking back at it. It's not that the cougar stood chill because he was tired after using all its stamina for kicking. No, you see clearly that from the start even before kicking he was standing motionless and second he spent only 10 seconds barely of kicking, as bad as cat stamina is they aren't getting tired at all just after 10 seconds. Otherwise that likely 110-120 lbish pakistan leopard fighting for several minutes a very probably larger Bully Kutta and still killing it in the end and that cape leopard fighting for an hour and half against three catchdogs including Boerboels his size or probably even slightly larger and injuring one almost mortally are two alien cats from another planet with too much stamina .
What an abomination. The wild pawtrapped cougar that ripped apart the face of the dogo must be extremely disappointed...so the fierce cougar that in the cage fight nearly killed without even such effort the dogo Tupac. Those cougars are very disappointed.
They look like those defenseless kids that get bullied at school, or when girls bully each other and pull their hair out and the bullied girl is so "weak" minded she barely tries to push her back or anything . That's not an attitude I expect from a cool fight to be honest. I want best vs best, extremely aggressive vs extremely aggressive.
Many of those have an embarrassing reaction, I agree most cougars and leopards in the wild they'd flee if confronted, which they generally do (unless you meet a macho attitude big tom that wouldn't hesitate to literally attack deliberately and maul to pieces your dogs or in the worst cases you), but if confronted in close quarters where they have no other choice they are going to turn extremely aggressive. I recall leopard fans on CF mockin cougars for being just oversized house cats with a non aggressive nature and Balam pulled out a track from a book of hunting records of Roosevelt (where he listed the largest officially and verified recorded cougar of 230 lbs) where he stated something like : "A cornered lion is one beast you do not want to deal with."
That's where you see a big difference. I'd agree that some cougars can be even naturally just cowards but pen fight ones are of the worst cathegory, with very rare exceptions. The biggest defence that holds up for then is that they are so used to that environment that they get "used" to get beaten despite sucking at using their weaponry. We have seen how wild cougars showed as a total different breed than these, with the exception of those two pen fight cougars that beat and nearly killed those two good dogos that weren't culls. But I'd agrue that some could have been wild captured territorial males .
The pawtrapped cougar that in less than 20 seconds beat and ripped apart very angrily that dogo's face both with its teeth and claws outmatches the aggressivity of those pen cougars by 100-0. Also that one that was already shot in the chest and attacked from all the sides by dogos and dogals but still fought angrily to the death and beat two of those dogs up quite evidently.
Also that one that despite having 3 serious dogos and some dogals on him he defended himself nicely and mouth to mouth grabbed one of the dogos by the snout and by mauling it he badly injured it with its jaws by even breaking two of its incisors (so there's probable bad snout damage there) while also getting stabbed in the heart. There's also that smallish cougar ragdolling that young dogo.
Then we have the "fierce courageous" cougar that decisively defeated and nearly killed the dogo Tupac without a doubt so that Antonio's brother had to take the dogo out of the cage to save it's life, and the other cougar that in the second round when it got in a brawl it got the upperhand and defeated Caru the dogo by subduing it on the ground with its jaws fixed "resentlessly" in the dog's neck despite visually lacking any possible size advantage whatsoever.
I mean, this is how a serious cougar defends itself, it gets hyperaggressive and mauls and rakes the hell out of whoever attacks it. Those pen fight cougar videos I've listed are the exact opposite, they look faggotish scaredy wuss wuss pussies. I would expect most cougars to act like that and run when confronted, but not when they are in close quarters combat, U expect them to act like those pissed wild cougars and those two captive cougars that angrily and decisively defeated or at least kicked the dogo's asses badly. Culls and non culls.
I refer to those failure cougars almost the same way you call some dogs "culls" or "curs", I could even call those cougars culls from my critical way of judging.
But "cull" is a dog thing, not a wild animal thing, for these cougars I'll use actually another term which is an italian slur word which is "passivello", which you can guess what that actually means.
I will totally and openly say that some cougars in pen fights do put good resistance and some are just too on the light side to defeat the larger and more powerful dogo (or the two ones that destroyed and almost killed the two dogos) such as this one, this cougar here looks too small to even make a good difference but it DID perform very well unlike that second cougar from the second video I linked. THIS cougar performed well.
Would it win? No, it's visually clearly smaller than the dogo, it can quite badly injure it, but in that size range I always favour the gripping dog. The dogo is like 100-110 lbs there? Means the cat is probably 85-90 lbs, at that size cats sre extremely gracile unlike dogs. 120+ lb is where cats start becomi too proportionally powerful and 130-140 lbs is where they decisively take over.
But at least, despite losing in the end, THIS cougar performed well.
What I claim is that if all and I repeat all pen cougars we've ever witnessed fighting dogos fought back as fiercely and aggressively as those wild and those two pen cougars (that as result defeated or considerably injured the dogos confronting them, many times saved by a knife) many pen fights aftermaths could have been way different. Or am I wrong?
Btw the cougar I owe most honor to is a cub. Nope, it's not the pawtrapped+ stabbed cougar ripping apart the attacking dogo in 20 secs, no it's not the stabbed cougar badly injuring one dogo's snout and breaking its incisors, no it's not the shot cougar beating up the dogos and dogals despite 1v6 situation, no it's not the fierce cougar that defeated Tupac nor the cougar from the new record that defeated Caru by subduing it on the ground with a killing neck bite.
No. It's this cougar here, a cub seems so (you see how small the barely viable head on the right down corner is, also extremely small paws) that is giving a very good resistance to this dogo that likely weighs like 90 lbs more.
Putting up way better resistance than any caracal or serval or bobcat ever would against a same sized Staffordshire bull terrier despite being likely 35-40+ lbs against a 90-100+ lb dogo. Based tbh
By the way other than failure captive raised ones, there's also the evidence that some of these passivelli cougars are also pets .
As acknowledged not only by the fact that some have collars but also by this Pinterest vintage image I found. Disgusting .
Whatever, serious aggressive cougars is the standard I regard all cougars to, and they have showed that even at parity when they are serious they can be formidable and they can and do defeat dogos, especially wild ones . Even in 1 vs many scenarios they have performed very well.
Obviously cougars will never be as aggressive and courageous as leopards with that frequency, captured man eating and large tom leopards are so ill tempered that they want to get out from the cage to maul you to pieces.
With the American Bulldog, most of those videos have me like: Those American Bulldogs are terrible. The first American Bulldog looked more like a Ca De Bou than an American Bulldog. It should be understood that the American Bulldog's basement is lower than the Dogo's, due to the explosion of very horrible lines. The best American Bulldogs give an APBT all it can handle, and the APBT guys I've talked to all tell me a Scott Ambull would shitwhip a Dogo. And from what I had saw previously, they do. They're more eager to fight other dogs as well. That's a big surprise, I guess when I was looking for videos of fights I had only saw 1 or 2 before I said "that correlates with what they said, yep". Alas, it needs to be understood those American Bulldogs are in far worse shape than the Dogos, at least a lot of them. American Bulldog would smash a Dogo in most fights if you took 2 working dogs and also do better against wild animals. Dogos never ever made it to the box, American Bulldogs have been. Ambulls and APBTs were at one point so close, and both so good, they were crossed... basically freely. APBTs have only been strictly kept APBT x APBT w/o Ambull blood since the 70s and then as they started going downhill they stopped a lot of that. In that time both breeds have fed off of each other, both of them are (or used to be, sadly, considering the infrequency of truly great specimens) "american bulldogs" if you think about it. It would be pretty crazy if even the best Dogos were beating American Bulldogs that were of true quality. Those Dogos in your video are the size they're supposed to be, while the American Bulldogs are too big and their muzzles are too short from being crossed with English Bulldog or some other weird ass shit etc. That first dog in particular, I mean god damn, WTF is that? That didn't even register to me as an Ambull. So yeah... don't take anything from those videos especially. They're all pets, but the Ambulls aren't even half decent pets like the Ambulls that show up on Wikipedia. --- The rest I mostly agree with. However take note a lot of those Ambulls are still probably better than a lot of the Dogos since I'm not sure a Dogo has any victories over any Tosa.
Interesting incident with the cougar. Question is, do you think some of the cougars Dogos are beating in those cage fights are serious real deal cougars or do you think all of the ones Dogos beat are stressed and nerfed? If some of these cougars are performing well I'd suspect some of the losers also perform to somewhere close to the best of their ability.
Wow those American bulldogs are supreme and elite specimens, I really like them, not the middle ones because they give me too much APBT vibes and they kinda kill the "bulky" appearance you'd expect on a bulldog. The first one is probably the best looking one, although I have a little taste for the more alaunt looking ones that have a very close resemblance to the dogo, and this one right here is my favourite individual I've ever seen
I've also seen some dogos perfectly comparing to that first AB you sent, this one as an example. View Attachment
Note that I'm not one that "shits" on other breeds at favour of my favourite ones such as the dogo, but I feel that some of you here downplay the dogo a fair too evidently sometimes. I agree that there's better breeds for the original purpose the dogo's being bred, the Bull Arab as the best candidate obviously, these AB will certainly and do perform incredibly well in that role too
still gotta admit I'm a bit biased regarding the Dogal because I just don't really like them...but I admit . I feel the rivalry.
Regarding cougars I've already said my points clear, and Dale did too when he talked about some wild boars successfully being raised in captivity to enjoy cage fighting compared to cougars raised for that:
Adding the fact that Dale acknowledged it's actually possible to train a wild cat to become like that but 98 cases out of 100 will probably be a failure, with some actual few very good examples of success being Victor the huge barbary leopard and Wallance the lion. But generally it IS a failure, whereas a wild born animal with no other choice can be an actual challenge. They have just a different mentality, they care about themselves so much that if they have no other choice they'll give out the biggest resistance and defensive performance they can.
Many cougars in pen fights obviously kick back, would be dumb for an animal just laying still quietly and peacefully in such situation when someone is mauling you.
Even my domestic pampered male cat does, although he is very bad at kicking and is barely able to use his claws. My ex feral female is on another level and that's why I almost never playfight with her by blocking softly her head with my much larger hand and let her use her rear limbs to kick my hand/wirst. Because she DOES damage contrary to what the male does. Once by mistake I was petting her rear paw. Soft and cute, I have a weakness for cat paws. That retard of my male cat attacked her playfully but she didn't expect it so she got scared and freaked out. I was holding her rear paw when this happened. She used her full force on that limb to set free. She got me a scratch that was probably an inch deep and even damaged one of my tendons that I struggled moving well my index finger for a month straight. My male cat has at worst scratched a little bit me, he's never been able to do something similar to what she accidentally did. Clear difference between a domestic cat and an ex feral one . She also bites a lot harder and knows how to use badly her weapons.
Back on cougar thing, some pen fight cougars just look too "faggotish" to me in terms of temperament, similar to how you and Dale defined those Bully Kuttas crying in pain and performing bad against that smallish leopard despite being 1v6 .
I mean look at these, they just don't really wanna fight not even in close quarters, they want to escape everytime, they barely put out some resistance, some don't even dare to attack first even when in close quarters. I've seen wild cougars getting harassed by hounds charging straight and them and grabbing them by the head or the neck for comparison .
^^This one is the guy that infuriates me the most. Very faggotish, lets the dogo bite its upped neck and stands motionless, still, like those weak bullied people. They when the dogo pins it down it displays 2 or 3 desperate attempted rakes but immediately stops again, then mops the floor while barely even trying to kick, gets up and wanders around with the dogo grabbing its limbs and barely looking back at it. It's not that the cougar stood chill because he was tired after using all its stamina for kicking. No, you see clearly that from the start even before kicking he was standing motionless and second he spent only 10 seconds barely of kicking, as bad as cat stamina is they aren't getting tired at all just after 10 seconds. Otherwise that likely 110-120 lbish pakistan leopard fighting for several minutes a very probably larger Bully Kutta and still killing it in the end and that cape leopard fighting for an hour and half against three catchdogs including Boerboels his size or probably even slightly larger and injuring one almost mortally are two alien cats from another planet with too much stamina .
What an abomination. The wild pawtrapped cougar that ripped apart the face of the dogo must be extremely disappointed...so the fierce cougar that in the cage fight nearly killed without even such effort the dogo Tupac. Those cougars are very disappointed.
They look like those defenseless kids that get bullied at school, or when girls bully each other and pull their hair out and the bullied girl is so "weak" minded she barely tries to push her back or anything . That's not an attitude I expect from a cool fight to be honest. I want best vs best, extremely aggressive vs extremely aggressive.
Many of those have an embarrassing reaction, I agree most cougars and leopards in the wild they'd flee if confronted, which they generally do (unless you meet a macho attitude big tom that wouldn't hesitate to literally attack deliberately and maul to pieces your dogs or in the worst cases you), but if confronted in close quarters where they have no other choice they are going to turn extremely aggressive. I recall leopard fans on CF mockin cougars for being just oversized house cats with a non aggressive nature and Balam pulled out a track from a book of hunting records of Roosevelt (where he listed the largest officially and verified recorded cougar of 230 lbs) where he stated something like : "A cornered lion is one beast you do not want to deal with."
That's where you see a big difference. I'd agree that some cougars can be even naturally just cowards but pen fight ones are of the worst cathegory, with very rare exceptions. The biggest defence that holds up for then is that they are so used to that environment that they get "used" to get beaten despite sucking at using their weaponry. We have seen how wild cougars showed as a total different breed than these, with the exception of those two pen fight cougars that beat and nearly killed those two good dogos that weren't culls. But I'd agrue that some could have been wild captured territorial males .
The pawtrapped cougar that in less than 20 seconds beat and ripped apart very angrily that dogo's face both with its teeth and claws outmatches the aggressivity of those pen cougars by 100-0. Also that one that was already shot in the chest and attacked from all the sides by dogos and dogals but still fought angrily to the death and beat two of those dogs up quite evidently.
Also that one that despite having 3 serious dogos and some dogals on him he defended himself nicely and mouth to mouth grabbed one of the dogos by the snout and by mauling it he badly injured it with its jaws by even breaking two of its incisors (so there's probable bad snout damage there) while also getting stabbed in the heart. There's also that smallish cougar ragdolling that young dogo.
Then we have the "fierce courageous" cougar that decisively defeated and nearly killed the dogo Tupac without a doubt so that Antonio's brother had to take the dogo out of the cage to save it's life, and the other cougar that in the second round when it got in a brawl it got the upperhand and defeated Caru the dogo by subduing it on the ground with its jaws fixed "resentlessly" in the dog's neck despite visually lacking any possible size advantage whatsoever.
I mean, this is how a serious cougar defends itself, it gets hyperaggressive and mauls and rakes the hell out of whoever attacks it. Those pen fight cougar videos I've listed are the exact opposite, they look faggotish scaredy wuss wuss pussies. I would expect most cougars to act like that and run when confronted, but not when they are in close quarters combat, U expect them to act like those pissed wild cougars and those two captive cougars that angrily and decisively defeated or at least kicked the dogo's asses badly. Culls and non culls.
I refer to those failure cougars almost the same way you call some dogs "culls" or "curs", I could even call those cougars culls from my critical way of judging.
But "cull" is a dog thing, not a wild animal thing, for these cougars I'll use actually another term which is an italian slur word which is "passivello", which you can guess what that actually means.
I will totally and openly say that some cougars in pen fights do put good resistance and some are just too on the light side to defeat the larger and more powerful dogo (or the two ones that destroyed and almost killed the two dogos) such as this one, this cougar here looks too small to even make a good difference but it DID perform very well unlike that second cougar from the second video I linked. THIS cougar performed well.
Would it win? No, it's visually clearly smaller than the dogo, it can quite badly injure it, but in that size range I always favour the gripping dog. The dogo is like 100-110 lbs there? Means the cat is probably 85-90 lbs, at that size cats sre extremely gracile unlike dogs. 120+ lb is where cats start becomi too proportionally powerful and 130-140 lbs is where they decisively take over.
But at least, despite losing in the end, THIS cougar performed well.
What I claim is that if all and I repeat all pen cougars we've ever witnessed fighting dogos fought back as fiercely and aggressively as those wild and those two pen cougars (that as result defeated or considerably injured the dogos confronting them, many times saved by a knife) many pen fights aftermaths could have been way different. Or am I wrong?
Btw the cougar I owe most honor to is a cub. Nope, it's not the pawtrapped+ stabbed cougar ripping apart the attacking dogo in 20 secs, no it's not the stabbed cougar badly injuring one dogo's snout and breaking its incisors, no it's not the shot cougar beating up the dogos and dogals despite 1v6 situation, no it's not the fierce cougar that defeated Tupac nor the cougar from the new record that defeated Caru by subduing it on the ground with a killing neck bite.
No. It's this cougar here, a cub seems so (you see how small the barely viable head on the right down corner is, also extremely small paws) that is giving a very good resistance to this dogo that likely weighs like 90 lbs more.
View Attachment Putting up way better resistance than any caracal or serval or bobcat ever would against a same sized Staffordshire bull terrier despite being likely 35-40+ lbs against a 90-100+ lb dogo. Based tbh
By the way other than failure captive raised ones, there's also the evidence that some of these passivelli cougars are also pets .
As acknowledged not only by the fact that some have collars but also by this Pinterest vintage image I found. Disgusting .
Whatever, serious aggressive cougars is the standard I regard all cougars to, and they have showed that even at parity when they are serious they can be formidable and they can and do defeat dogos, especially wild ones . Even in 1 vs many scenarios they have performed very well.
Obviously cougars will never be as aggressive and courageous as leopards with that frequency, captured man eating and large tom leopards are so ill tempered that they want to get out from the cage to maul you to pieces.
We must reward them respect for this .
I think every fight we see is a case by case basis as being put into this situation affects each individual cougar differently. Like, I think another decent one is the one where the cougar is pacing around the cage and hisses at the camera and then they're fighting. The cougar rakes the Dogo and when the Dogo puts its head up it looks like it has been scratched up a bit, and then when the Dogo has it pinned and they're mouth to mouth the Dogo's face is bloody. And then after a little bit the people orchestrating the event go to break them up and the cougar starts trying to flee, but overall not one of those super pathetic performances. streamable.com/vogq6 But most importantly, if these tough cougars that give the dogs a really hard time and sometimes beat them are participating in these fights... Dogos probably have beat them but we don't hear or see much about it since it isn't notable to them. OR we might have seen it before but we haven't noticed and just wrote it off as a super stressed bad cougar, like the fight I mentioned above... we might be seeing it, we might not be, but that cougar did perform well for the short-ish duration of the fight. And yes, the cougars enduring these very unfortunate circumstances and managing to put up a good fight or even win deserve a lot of credit. Also yeah the cougar did screw up that dog's snout badly. IIRC you can see it in the video, and the owner of the dog said so.
Wow those American bulldogs are supreme and elite specimens, I really like them, not the middle ones because they give me too much APBT vibes and they kinda kill the "bulky" appearance you'd expect on a bulldog. The first one is probably the best looking one, although I have a little taste for the more alaunt looking ones that have a very close resemblance to the dogo, and this one right here is my favourite individual I've ever seen
I've also seen some dogos perfectly comparing to that first AB you sent, this one as an example. View Attachment
Note that I'm not one that "shits" on other breeds at favour of my favourite ones such as the dogo, but I feel that some of you here downplay the dogo a fair too evidently sometimes. I agree that there's better breeds for the original purpose the dogo's being bred, the Bull Arab as the best candidate obviously, these AB will certainly and do perform incredibly well in that role too
still gotta admit I'm a bit biased regarding the Dogal because I just don't really like them...but I admit . I feel the rivalry.
Regarding cougars I've already said my points clear, and Dale did too when he talked about some wild boars successfully being raised in captivity to enjoy cage fighting compared to cougars raised for that:
Adding the fact that Dale acknowledged it's actually possible to train a wild cat to become like that but 98 cases out of 100 will probably be a failure, with some actual few very good examples of success being Victor the huge barbary leopard and Wallance the lion. But generally it IS a failure, whereas a wild born animal with no other choice can be an actual challenge. They have just a different mentality, they care about themselves so much that if they have no other choice they'll give out the biggest resistance and defensive performance they can.
Many cougars in pen fights obviously kick back, would be dumb for an animal just laying still quietly and peacefully in such situation when someone is mauling you.
Even my domestic pampered male cat does, although he is very bad at kicking and is barely able to use his claws. My ex feral female is on another level and that's why I almost never playfight with her by blocking softly her head with my much larger hand and let her use her rear limbs to kick my hand/wirst. Because she DOES damage contrary to what the male does. Once by mistake I was petting her rear paw. Soft and cute, I have a weakness for cat paws. That retard of my male cat attacked her playfully but she didn't expect it so she got scared and freaked out. I was holding her rear paw when this happened. She used her full force on that limb to set free. She got me a scratch that was probably an inch deep and even damaged one of my tendons that I struggled moving well my index finger for a month straight. My male cat has at worst scratched a little bit me, he's never been able to do something similar to what she accidentally did. Clear difference between a domestic cat and an ex feral one . She also bites a lot harder and knows how to use badly her weapons.
Back on cougar thing, some pen fight cougars just look too "faggotish" to me in terms of temperament, similar to how you and Dale defined those Bully Kuttas crying in pain and performing bad against that smallish leopard despite being 1v6 .
I mean look at these, they just don't really wanna fight not even in close quarters, they want to escape everytime, they barely put out some resistance, some don't even dare to attack first even when in close quarters. I've seen wild cougars getting harassed by hounds charging straight and them and grabbing them by the head or the neck for comparison .
^^This one is the guy that infuriates me the most. Very faggotish, lets the dogo bite its upped neck and stands motionless, still, like those weak bullied people. They when the dogo pins it down it displays 2 or 3 desperate attempted rakes but immediately stops again, then mops the floor while barely even trying to kick, gets up and wanders around with the dogo grabbing its limbs and barely looking back at it. It's not that the cougar stood chill because he was tired after using all its stamina for kicking. No, you see clearly that from the start even before kicking he was standing motionless and second he spent only 10 seconds barely of kicking, as bad as cat stamina is they aren't getting tired at all just after 10 seconds. Otherwise that likely 110-120 lbish pakistan leopard fighting for several minutes a very probably larger Bully Kutta and still killing it in the end and that cape leopard fighting for an hour and half against three catchdogs including Boerboels his size or probably even slightly larger and injuring one almost mortally are two alien cats from another planet with too much stamina .
What an abomination. The wild pawtrapped cougar that ripped apart the face of the dogo must be extremely disappointed...so the fierce cougar that in the cage fight nearly killed without even such effort the dogo Tupac. Those cougars are very disappointed.
They look like those defenseless kids that get bullied at school, or when girls bully each other and pull their hair out and the bullied girl is so "weak" minded she barely tries to push her back or anything . That's not an attitude I expect from a cool fight to be honest. I want best vs best, extremely aggressive vs extremely aggressive.
Many of those have an embarrassing reaction, I agree most cougars and leopards in the wild they'd flee if confronted, which they generally do (unless you meet a macho attitude big tom that wouldn't hesitate to literally attack deliberately and maul to pieces your dogs or in the worst cases you), but if confronted in close quarters where they have no other choice they are going to turn extremely aggressive. I recall leopard fans on CF mockin cougars for being just oversized house cats with a non aggressive nature and Balam pulled out a track from a book of hunting records of Roosevelt (where he listed the largest officially and verified recorded cougar of 230 lbs) where he stated something like : "A cornered lion is one beast you do not want to deal with."
That's where you see a big difference. I'd agree that some cougars can be even naturally just cowards but pen fight ones are of the worst cathegory, with very rare exceptions. The biggest defence that holds up for then is that they are so used to that environment that they get "used" to get beaten despite sucking at using their weaponry. We have seen how wild cougars showed as a total different breed than these, with the exception of those two pen fight cougars that beat and nearly killed those two good dogos that weren't culls. But I'd agrue that some could have been wild captured territorial males .
The pawtrapped cougar that in less than 20 seconds beat and ripped apart very angrily that dogo's face both with its teeth and claws outmatches the aggressivity of those pen cougars by 100-0. Also that one that was already shot in the chest and attacked from all the sides by dogos and dogals but still fought angrily to the death and beat two of those dogs up quite evidently.
Also that one that despite having 3 serious dogos and some dogals on him he defended himself nicely and mouth to mouth grabbed one of the dogos by the snout and by mauling it he badly injured it with its jaws by even breaking two of its incisors (so there's probable bad snout damage there) while also getting stabbed in the heart. There's also that smallish cougar ragdolling that young dogo.
Then we have the "fierce courageous" cougar that decisively defeated and nearly killed the dogo Tupac without a doubt so that Antonio's brother had to take the dogo out of the cage to save it's life, and the other cougar that in the second round when it got in a brawl it got the upperhand and defeated Caru the dogo by subduing it on the ground with its jaws fixed "resentlessly" in the dog's neck despite visually lacking any possible size advantage whatsoever.
I mean, this is how a serious cougar defends itself, it gets hyperaggressive and mauls and rakes the hell out of whoever attacks it. Those pen fight cougar videos I've listed are the exact opposite, they look faggotish scaredy wuss wuss pussies. I would expect most cougars to act like that and run when confronted, but not when they are in close quarters combat, U expect them to act like those pissed wild cougars and those two captive cougars that angrily and decisively defeated or at least kicked the dogo's asses badly. Culls and non culls.
I refer to those failure cougars almost the same way you call some dogs "culls" or "curs", I could even call those cougars culls from my critical way of judging.
But "cull" is a dog thing, not a wild animal thing, for these cougars I'll use actually another term which is an italian slur word which is "passivello", which you can guess what that actually means.
I will totally and openly say that some cougars in pen fights do put good resistance and some are just too on the light side to defeat the larger and more powerful dogo (or the two ones that destroyed and almost killed the two dogos) such as this one, this cougar here looks too small to even make a good difference but it DID perform very well unlike that second cougar from the second video I linked. THIS cougar performed well.
Would it win? No, it's visually clearly smaller than the dogo, it can quite badly injure it, but in that size range I always favour the gripping dog. The dogo is like 100-110 lbs there? Means the cat is probably 85-90 lbs, at that size cats sre extremely gracile unlike dogs. 120+ lb is where cats start becomi too proportionally powerful and 130-140 lbs is where they decisively take over.
But at least, despite losing in the end, THIS cougar performed well.
What I claim is that if all and I repeat all pen cougars we've ever witnessed fighting dogos fought back as fiercely and aggressively as those wild and those two pen cougars (that as result defeated or considerably injured the dogos confronting them, many times saved by a knife) many pen fights aftermaths could have been way different. Or am I wrong?
Btw the cougar I owe most honor to is a cub. Nope, it's not the pawtrapped+ stabbed cougar ripping apart the attacking dogo in 20 secs, no it's not the stabbed cougar badly injuring one dogo's snout and breaking its incisors, no it's not the shot cougar beating up the dogos and dogals despite 1v6 situation, no it's not the fierce cougar that defeated Tupac nor the cougar from the new record that defeated Caru by subduing it on the ground with a killing neck bite.
No. It's this cougar here, a cub seems so (you see how small the barely viable head on the right down corner is, also extremely small paws) that is giving a very good resistance to this dogo that likely weighs like 90 lbs more.
View Attachment Putting up way better resistance than any caracal or serval or bobcat ever would against a same sized Staffordshire bull terrier despite being likely 35-40+ lbs against a 90-100+ lb dogo. Based tbh
By the way other than failure captive raised ones, there's also the evidence that some of these passivelli cougars are also pets .
As acknowledged not only by the fact that some have collars but also by this Pinterest vintage image I found. Disgusting .
Whatever, serious aggressive cougars is the standard I regard all cougars to, and they have showed that even at parity when they are serious they can be formidable and they can and do defeat dogos, especially wild ones . Even in 1 vs many scenarios they have performed very well.
Obviously cougars will never be as aggressive and courageous as leopards with that frequency, captured man eating and large tom leopards are so ill tempered that they want to get out from the cage to maul you to pieces.
We must reward them respect for this .
I think every fight we see is a case by case basis as being put into this situation affects each individual cougar differently. Like, I think another decent one is the one where the cougar is pacing around the cage and hisses at the camera and then they're fighting. The cougar rakes the Dogo and when the Dogo puts its head up it looks like it has been scratched up a bit, and then when the Dogo has it pinned and they're mouth to mouth the Dogo's face is bloody. And then after a little bit the people orchestrating the event go to break them up and the cougar starts trying to flee, but overall not one of those super pathetic performances. streamable.com/vogq6 But most importantly, if these tough cougars that give the dogs a really hard time and sometimes beat them are participating in these fights... Dogos probably have beat them but we don't hear or see much about it since it isn't notable to them. OR we might have seen it before but we haven't noticed and just wrote it off as a super stressed bad cougar, like the fight I mentioned above... we might be seeing it, we might not be, but that cougar did perform well for the short-ish duration of the fight. And yes, the cougars enduring these very unfortunate circumstances and managing to put up a good fight or even win deserve a lot of credit. Also yeah the cougar did screw up that dog's snout badly. IIRC you can see it in the video, and the owner of the dog said so.
I'm not able to see that video there, not the whole one I already saw it I mean the mouth to mouth part where the cougar performed well, which one is it? Can you record it and send it apart as I did with those cougars there? Because I'm not seeing a single cougar from those videos performing well apart from the little one defending itself nicely against that larger dogo.
Maybe it's because the quality of those videos rivals the security bank cameras but I'm just unable to see the cougar having the dogo by the mouth and viceversa, the mouth to mouth. Can you point it out?
Btw as you can see mouth to mouth, the "kiss of the death" thing, as both you and Dale at start quite ridiculized It on WAW, can be effective and damageful. Just because the cougar has the smaller mouth it can be deadly, the pack hunting video where the cougar badly damaged the snout of the dogo and even broke off its two incisors despite having the "smaller mouth" is clear evidence. Cougars have smaller but thicker canines than leopards, which indicates they are more prone to cause bone damage than the latter which has more saber toothed fangs and while it can cause a lot of bone damage, it will mostly cause very deep punctures on skin, muscles and vital organs including jugular vein.
This istance here that was entitled as "puma mutilando dogo" is another interesting cage fight, it shows the cougar doing what seems to ve exactly that mouth to mouth thing and mauling the dogo's face with its jaws while keeping it still As you can see, despite as bad as the quality is, the dogo is getting the worst of it as I see blood everywhere on the dogo's face. The cougar is also chained
This is another instance where the cougar is performing well
I could picture a puma controlling a dogo and "kiss of death" sealing it's mouth shut and covering its nostrils and suffocating it. My point was that if the two actually clashed jaws and bit into eachother's closing mouths, tooth on tooth, open mouth on open mouth, the puma is going to have its teeth and jaws obliterated. It is grossly outgunned and will come off second best by a huge margin. But a puma could hypothetically clamp a dogo's mouth shut and suffocate it, if it happened to catch the dogo's mouth near-closed when it wrapped it up and applied its bite.
I think every fight we see is a case by case basis as being put into this situation affects each individual cougar differently. Like, I think another decent one is the one where the cougar is pacing around the cage and hisses at the camera and then they're fighting. The cougar rakes the Dogo and when the Dogo puts its head up it looks like it has been scratched up a bit, and then when the Dogo has it pinned and they're mouth to mouth the Dogo's face is bloody. And then after a little bit the people orchestrating the event go to break them up and the cougar starts trying to flee, but overall not one of those super pathetic performances. streamable.com/vogq6 But most importantly, if these tough cougars that give the dogs a really hard time and sometimes beat them are participating in these fights... Dogos probably have beat them but we don't hear or see much about it since it isn't notable to them. OR we might have seen it before but we haven't noticed and just wrote it off as a super stressed bad cougar, like the fight I mentioned above... we might be seeing it, we might not be, but that cougar did perform well for the short-ish duration of the fight. And yes, the cougars enduring these very unfortunate circumstances and managing to put up a good fight or even win deserve a lot of credit. Also yeah the cougar did screw up that dog's snout badly. IIRC you can see it in the video, and the owner of the dog said so.
I'm not able to see that video there, not the whole one I already saw it I mean the mouth to mouth part where the cougar performed well, which one is it? Can you record it and send it apart as I did with those cougars there? Because I'm not seeing a single cougar from those videos performing well apart from the little one defending itself nicely against that larger dogo.
Maybe it's because the quality of those videos rivals the security bank cameras but I'm just unable to see the cougar having the dogo by the mouth and viceversa, the mouth to mouth. Can you point it out?
Btw as you can see mouth to mouth, the "kiss of the death" thing, as both you and Dale at start quite ridiculized It on WAW, can be effective and damageful. Just because the cougar has the smaller mouth it can be deadly, the pack hunting video where the cougar badly damaged the snout of the dogo and even broke off its two incisors despite having the "smaller mouth" is clear evidence. Cougars have smaller but thicker canines than leopards, which indicates they are more prone to cause bone damage than the latter which has more saber toothed fangs and while it can cause a lot of bone damage, it will mostly cause very deep punctures on skin, muscles and vital organs including jugular vein.
This istance here that was entitled as "puma mutilando dogo" is another interesting cage fight, it shows the cougar doing what seems to ve exactly that mouth to mouth thing and mauling the dogo's face with its jaws while keeping it still As you can see, despite as bad as the quality is, the dogo is getting the worst of it as I see blood everywhere on the dogo's face. The cougar is also chained
This is another instance where the cougar is performing well
This one - rumble.com/v32zbii-dog-cat.html It's a brief fight but one where the cougar first tried to overpower the Dogo which failed and then it started raking the Dogo's side and face. And it fights alright up until it's time to break up the fight where the cougar cooperates but the Dogo does not. But that's less of a "the cougar was being bad" issue and more of a "it knew the fight was about to end probably" issue. Can you point out what makes that cougar bad? There are moves it did not employ, it might not have the skill to do so, but also that was a short contest where the cougar used its claws to defend itself and did what it could IMO. I'm not seeing much mutilating going on as opposed to a simple bite on the nose to suffocate the Dogo. That cougar looks very large too.
I'm not able to see that video there, not the whole one I already saw it I mean the mouth to mouth part where the cougar performed well, which one is it? Can you record it and send it apart as I did with those cougars there? Because I'm not seeing a single cougar from those videos performing well apart from the little one defending itself nicely against that larger dogo.
Maybe it's because the quality of those videos rivals the security bank cameras but I'm just unable to see the cougar having the dogo by the mouth and viceversa, the mouth to mouth. Can you point it out?
Btw as you can see mouth to mouth, the "kiss of the death" thing, as both you and Dale at start quite ridiculized It on WAW, can be effective and damageful. Just because the cougar has the smaller mouth it can be deadly, the pack hunting video where the cougar badly damaged the snout of the dogo and even broke off its two incisors despite having the "smaller mouth" is clear evidence. Cougars have smaller but thicker canines than leopards, which indicates they are more prone to cause bone damage than the latter which has more saber toothed fangs and while it can cause a lot of bone damage, it will mostly cause very deep punctures on skin, muscles and vital organs including jugular vein.
This istance here that was entitled as "puma mutilando dogo" is another interesting cage fight, it shows the cougar doing what seems to ve exactly that mouth to mouth thing and mauling the dogo's face with its jaws while keeping it still As you can see, despite as bad as the quality is, the dogo is getting the worst of it as I see blood everywhere on the dogo's face. The cougar is also chained
This is another instance where the cougar is performing well
This one - rumble.com/v32zbii-dog-cat.html It's a brief fight but one where the cougar first tried to overpower the Dogo which failed and then it started raking the Dogo's side and face. And it fights alright up until it's time to break up the fight where the cougar cooperates but the Dogo does not. But that's less of a "the cougar was being bad" issue and more of a "it knew the fight was about to end probably" issue. Can you point out what makes that cougar bad? There are moves it did not employ, it might not have the skill to do so, but also that was a short contest where the cougar used its claws to defend itself and did what it could IMO. I'm not seeing much mutilating going on as opposed to a simple bite on the nose to suffocate the Dogo. That cougar looks very large too.
I see a lot of blood on the dogo's muzzle as it's getting chewed up. That cougar ain't large btw, it's the same size of the dogo if you look at the body frame what makes you believe it's very large is the proportionate large paws
This one - rumble.com/v32zbii-dog-cat.html It's a brief fight but one where the cougar first tried to overpower the Dogo which failed and then it started raking the Dogo's side and face. And it fights alright up until it's time to break up the fight where the cougar cooperates but the Dogo does not. But that's less of a "the cougar was being bad" issue and more of a "it knew the fight was about to end probably" issue. Can you point out what makes that cougar bad? There are moves it did not employ, it might not have the skill to do so, but also that was a short contest where the cougar used its claws to defend itself and did what it could IMO. I'm not seeing much mutilating going on as opposed to a simple bite on the nose to suffocate the Dogo. That cougar looks very large too.
View Attachment I see a lot of blood on the dogo's muzzle as it's getting chewed up. That cougar ain't large btw, it's the same size of the dogo if you look at the body frame what makes you believe it's very large is the proportionate large paws
Oh, sad. Rumble likes to delete videos it deems animal cruelty but it's lots better than youtube is about it. Like, they deleted your pit v alabai video.
View Attachment I see a lot of blood on the dogo's muzzle as it's getting chewed up. That cougar ain't large btw, it's the same size of the dogo if you look at the body frame what makes you believe it's very large is the proportionate large paws
Oh, sad. Rumble likes to delete videos it deems animal cruelty but it's lots better than youtube is about it. Like, they deleted your pit v alabai video.
Nothing compares to YouTube in terms of liberal shittiness, but rumble is giving me the same vibes in the last days for deleting, as you see, such footage.
I can't believe I'm being disrespected like this. lol.
Except you never claimed such thing
Yeah haha, they took what was very clearly a joke at the beginning of the thread and thought it was serious. The fact they did speaks more on their intelligence than mine tbh.
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