I've seen the opposite with American bulldogs aswell, although some are pretty close and both are able to defeat each other
Dogo victories
Bulldog victories.
Close one
This one looks like a tie, but the dogo here at the end looked weirdly exhausted despite being the one who was holding the bulldog by the cheek despite being on the ground.
However, both breeds 馃 in defeating large LGDs, from Alabais to COs
pet American bulldog also defeated a pet tosa
While presa canarios fair pretty bad against both, and it's not an exception but the norm from the videos I've seen, here an American bulldog busted that presa and it's the only presa v bulldog video I've found
Here dogos busting presas
This was pretty much a close one
While I've seen barely two videos of presa canario victories.
Even this very good looking and lean Kangal defeated this presa canario pretty evidently
This good looking working alabai defeated a same sized presa.
This bandog ate that presa
Sure we can use the excuse that these are pet presas (but their original working role ain't worse that what dogos and bulldogs are bred to do tbh, most original working presas were LGD and sometimes used as Canary Catchdogs for cattle...sure formidable but dogos are bred e.x.c.l.u.s.i.v.e.l.y for physical confrontations with boars, and they have also caught and subdued bulls both in pen fights both free roaming cattle) but keep in mind those are also pet dogos and pet bulldogs aswell.
I also see no real preydrive in those dogos and bulldogs(both when they fight presas both when they fight other dogs in general including LGDs), i see two dogs that know both are dogs and therefore "rivals".
The consequence? They fight almost more "territorially" also indicated by the fact that some just lay on each other and try to dominate the latter.
Now, convince the dogo or the bulldog that the other dog is not an opponent but a prey, just like the way they see boars when they hunt them. THERE everything will change.
This gameness type works for big game catchdogs and in arena apbts in the same way despite these dogs have two different roles (but some fan be adapted to each other's one); and it is this instinct being exploited.
It requires changing the dog's perception of other dogs to be prey or vermin, and they're doing it for their human pack mate. That insane commitment to success at all costs will only be found in a dog that is in prey drive.
For what it's worth and I've seen I put dogos, bulldogs and some bandogs types decisively as more formidable than presas, if we include non pet dogs the gap probably increases even slightly more. I'm sorry but I don't really see presas as that formidable.
Yea obviously a cougar doesn't want to test the stamina of a presa, I could see a huge aggressive tom with that individual kind of courage and macho attitude trying to prey one, I mean 200-220 lbs vs 100-120 lbs, the cat is twice its size and much more powerful, muscular and with by far much deadlier weaponry.
But generally a fight would be with the presa attacking and the cougar defending, I already said what i said, very lower weights 90-100 lbs cougars are too proportionally lightweight and more cheetah-like almost, and that's where dogs are proportionally ridicolously powerful.
110-120 lbs is interesting but we enter in the leopard v bully kutta example, the cat starts becoming pretty powerful and the major risk for the dog is to get outlasted in the damage department and getting killed, despite not being dominated, after a gruesome fight where the cat was on the defense all the time but managed to cause deadly and critical damage while the dog, if unable to get a choke grip, can't do much with its little teeth.
The more the sizes increase the more the dog starts being doomed, 130-145 lbs and above I think an aggressive and formidable ideal male cougar is just too good, look at this 131 lb male from Idaho, enormous skull and very massive appearance despite being below average (rocky mountain male cougars average in the range of 150-160 lbs).
These cougars are already far too large and powerful for their size than most working presas ranging from 90 to 120 lbs, and just like that fierce cougar (probably around 125-130 lbs) defeated and almost killed without a doubt the dogo argentino Tupac (90-105 lbs probably) I think it would happen the same.
Btw I've found a new dogo v cougar cage fight instance where the cougar performed formidably.
I haven't found it, CeoofSex (don't judge the name please) on discord managed to find me this new impressive cougar feat against a dogo that was trained to hunt only and exclusively cougars and it seemingly got defeated and nearly killed by the cougar just like Tupac.
I also think the size of the cougar is also [greatly] exaggerated, by looking at it if that dogo is stated to be 36 kg there's no way on earth that cougar is 70 kg, a 70 kg cougar would be much larger than that dogo but they look very similar in size, at least from the first image.
Apparently this encounter seems to be a similar situation to what happened to Nores's dogo named Tupac, the cougar was able in the second round to subdue and defeat the dogo by grabbing it with its jaws by the neck.
I think that the image on the bottom is probably the moment where the cougar is about to underwhelm the dogo, to note that the dogo had a COLLAR, although a mediocre thin layered one probably, but still managed to have the best of it and subdue it with a neck precise killing bite.
I translated the text from Spanish
Caru (3 a帽os, 36 kg, 40 cm
de alzada, 1m 20 de largo
dogo argentino, hijo de Day, el
mejor ejemplar que tuvo la
raza; adiestrado desde los 8
meses, caza solo y esencialmente pumas) ladraba, gemia,
se abalanzaba contra la puer
ta; estaba ansioso por luchar.
El puma (adulto, unos 70 kg.
40 cm de alzada y 2m 60 de
largo) observaba desconfiado
con esos caracteristicos ojos
asesinos, llenos de odio. Caru
entr贸 y ambos saltaron a rincones neutrales del "ring".
Luego, en el acto, chocaron en
el medio. Parado sobre sus
patas el puma lanz贸 "ganchos"-los m谩s veloces e increibles que vi en mi vida- de ambas manos y ramat贸 con sus fauces. Caru buscaba acortar distancias, trabajar aden-
tro. En el segundo encontronazo no logr贸. Rodaron, se pararon y no se separaron m谩s.
Dur贸 1m10s. El puma lo tonia aplastado contra el suelo y
con sus dientes clavados implacablemente en la garganta.
-
Caru (3 years, 36 kg, 40 cm
high, 1m 20 long
dogo argentino, son of Day, the
best copy that had
race; trained since the age of 8
months, hunts alone and essentially pumas) barked, moaned,
he rushed against the door
aunt; he was eager to fight.
The puma (adult, about 70 kg.
40 cm high and 2m 60 wide
long) watched suspiciously
with those characteristic eyes
murderers, full of hate. caru
entered and both jumped to neutral corners of the "ring".
Then, on the spot, they collided in
the middle. standing on his
legs the puma threw "hooks"-the fastest and most incredible I've ever seen-from both hands and rammed with its jaws. Caru sought to shorten distances, work forward. In the second clash he failed. They rolled, stopped, and were no longer separated. It lasted 1m10s. The puma had him pushed to the ground and with its teeth fixed relentlessly in the neck.
One thing for sure is that the cougar is nowhere close to 70 kg, if that dogo is apparently 36 kg, that cougar may be 40 - 45 kgish, 50 kg at best imo. Both look close to each other in size and it's apparently at the lower weights but the cougar performed very formidably and got the upperhand and defeated it. And that was no cull dogo.
The cougar that defeated Tupac did it more decisively although, because it was stated that it defeated the dogo without a doubt. This cougar did it in the second round, in the first one probably the dogo cur out a little and did some particular maneuvers and the cougar just sit in the corner defensive and hitting the dog with it's powerful paws and some warning bites to make it back it off.
While in the second encounter the cougar was probably caught off guard and the dogo got a hold on it (not a decisive one), so the cougar turned defensive on it's back and started raking the hell out of the dogo and managed to turn the tables and probably pin it down similar to how that cougar ragdolled and defeated that young dogo in that short video. I think it went in that way because it states that "They rolled, stopped, and were no longer separated."
Still impressive. Shows that cougars in that size range if they fight back aggressively and efficiently they can and do defeat dogos. We had the pawtrapped cougar as best example before , this one holds up very well aswell.
