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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2023 0:15:03 GMT
Why are you even arguing? Just say "yeah it's awful". You're criticising my post as if you support dog fighting... do you support dog fighting? I hate people who go the "animal rights activist route" like you. I don't give a shit and don't like people who do. I can't even say I hate dog fighting without being slandered and compared to... |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 20, 2023 0:15:26 GMT
I watch them and send them for education purposes only regarding the strength of gripping dogs, for what it's worth I highly despised and hate people that organize this shit nowadays. At least boarhounds have a good reason to become boarhounds, fighting dogs don't though. They just live to please the ill minds of their owners. And some people even dare to compare them to human boxers. The idiocy.... A man has the choice whether to become a fighter or not. A dog has not, the owner decides for the dog by breeding it for that task. I think the 3rd world BS is pretty bad, matching pitbulls with fucking samoyeds and gsds and then setting 200lb Kangals on 40lb APBTs (where the Kangal still loses btw) and letting an APBT maul an Alabai screaming on the ground etc. etc. However it is interesting to see which wins, and how it wins. You just have to look at it without emotion. Ranked from least offensive to most offensive I'd put it - LGD vs LGD "anti-wolf training" Japanese Tosa fights/Fighting LGD vs Fighting LGD Gamebred APBT fights - High Stakes 3rd world dog fights with serious fighting dogs (Tosa, Volkodav, BK) - - - 3rd world "anything vs anything" fights The latter being much much worse; though I believe it does run a spectrum on its own, it's all terribly bad. Some a little better, some a little worse. I upvoted but would put gamebred apbt fights lower. The carnage is unmatched. The fact they think they want to keep fighting helps only to a point, they know not what they are doing and the amount of physical damage done to their bodies removes any illusion of it being a reasonable sporting contest. The absolute worst thing of course is a screaming dog wanting to stop while being mauled to death and people standing around smiling. Those people are on a one way train to hell. But gamebred apbts would be just above that and below the tosa/volk/bk stuff IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2023 0:21:57 GMT
I think the 3rd world BS is pretty bad, matching pitbulls with fucking samoyeds and gsds and then setting 200lb Kangals on 40lb APBTs (where the Kangal still loses btw) and letting an APBT maul an Alabai screaming on the ground etc. etc. However it is interesting to see which wins, and how it wins. You just have to look at it without emotion. Ranked from least offensive to most offensive I'd put it - LGD vs LGD "anti-wolf training" Japanese Tosa fights/Fighting LGD vs Fighting LGD Gamebred APBT fights - High Stakes 3rd world dog fights with serious fighting dogs (Tosa, Volkodav, BK) - - - 3rd world "anything vs anything" fights The latter being much much worse; though I believe it does run a spectrum on its own, it's all terribly bad. Some a little better, some a little worse. I upvoted but would put gamebred apbt fights lower. The carnage is unmatched. The fact they think they want to keep fighting helps only to a point, they know not what they are doing and the amount of physical damage done to their bodies removes any illusion of it being a reasonable sporting contest. The absolute worst thing of course is a screaming dog wanting to stop while being mauled to death and people standing around smiling. Those people are on a one way train to hell. But gamebred apbts would be just above that and below the tosa/volk/bk stuff IMO. The fact that all of this "dog fight ranking" shit looks like complete gibberish to me is actually quite funny lol. Although it could be argued that that's a good thing as it shows I'm not interested in watching such a vile form of entertainment. (ok I'll stop with the critiques now) |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 20, 2023 0:32:32 GMT
I hate it, but my passion for dogs has made it impossible to avoid being exposed to fragments of it for decades and so I've managed to delineate certain things about it. I also started as a child THINKING I liked dog fighting, having no idea what it actually was like. I thought it was like pokemon or whatever (even though my time was before pokemon), "rednose pitbull vs dogue de bordeaux" ooh ahh interesting who wins, and in my mind there was like a cartoonish fight and the loser maybe has tweety birds flying around their head a little bit and a black eye but is otherwise ok. I was reading books about fighting dogs and using my imagination and just looking at pictures of the cool dogs. Once I learned about the reality I moved away as fast as I could. It is a perverse seedy world.
I like natural encounters between dogs and wild predators because wild predators are wimps who get bullied briefly and then run away. OR, conversely, the dog gets killed very quickly and that's not so hard to stomach.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jul 20, 2023 6:02:10 GMT
No one gives a shit. It's all bad. All of it. There's not one good thing I can say about forcing dogs to fight each other. And anyone who thinks their is should realise they're total weirdos that need to find a real hobby so that they can socialise with real people instead of living in their smelly bedrooms full of cum socks and sweaty underpants. I don't recall quoting you? Nobody is "forcing" anything. They are forcing them not when they fight, because they love fighting as they have been trained for that, but when they created them. Historically they "forced" them by breeding them to make their genetics matter on what they love doing. I've had actually, a huge very harsh debate with very enthusiastic apbt fans that sent me this as start for their evidence.  You can see how fucked up that is - you know I praise game bred Apbts and value them as the 1# or 2# strongest breed ever by acknowledging its past, but when it comes to morality I will say that comparing a dog to a human fighter the difference is immense. A man chooses to become a boxer, a kick boxer, a MMA champion, or not. It's up to his passion. A dog doesn't have an option, he's born that he loves it because he was GENETICALLY created by humans to love it. A game bred apbt has its destiny in the arena even before he's born. That's the difference between a human boxer and a Pitbull |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jul 20, 2023 9:27:39 GMT
Musth Do you believe/suspect or know if the fighting lineage volkodavs were outcrossed with other types? Not even because they would need to be so much as performance bred dogs typically are not kept needlessly pure? I have definitely seen photos of LGD types from russia, turkey, central/western asia, etc where it is quite obvious they were crossed with great dane or bullmastiff or something, but I'm not sure if they were bred for fighting.
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Post by Bolushi on Jul 21, 2023 0:45:26 GMT
bump
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