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Post by Bolushi on Aug 4, 2023 19:32:55 GMT
Working Boerboel x Ridgeback, evidently Ridgebacks throw out bigger dogs than both their parents -  |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 4, 2023 19:59:08 GMT
Gotta say I really like the look of that APBT. Reminds me of this -  He's got a great physique but he's definitely not a game bred one, the only thing that makes me not call him a cull is that despite fighting for dominance and backing off sometimes he still attacked till the end. Still, I'm proud that despite him not being a peak performance apbt he managed to make flee the best fighting volkodav of that time. A true shame we can't see the other videos of the large pitbulls also defeating Gabo...I can assure you that these are not game bred apbts either.... |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 4, 2023 20:34:04 GMT
Mine is purely a matter of rivalry, I'll have to admit. With canids vs felids it's different, I've always historically felt rivalry with the delusional disrespecting fanboys and that's generally it, it was more i hate the fanboy but at the same time i still respect and love the animal, and hell if i got serious about hating an animal because of fanboys is stupid.But the difference lies here, I didn't need to feel rivalry, because in all those cases I was right and therefore it was an objective thing, so I had no reason to take it personally. I disliked fanboys and that's it. The Dogal case is very very different, there's a lot of esthetic reasons, a lot of morphologic reasons and a good amount of opinion-wise reasons. For what's worth I'll say that loud and clear without going circles on it, I esthetically don't really like Dogals. They are just the really lanky gracile version of the Dogo when mixed with Galgos or Staghounds, with me unable to see impressive specimens with impressive physiques UNLIKE the way I feel about Bullgreys. You see that historically I don't reaaaaally like lanky gracile animals as I don't feel a connection or spiritual bond with them, as I'm myself a pretty muscular gym guy. Or a game bred apbt, a sbt, a working Boerboel, a functional CC, a good American Bulldog, I see the connection. Just like when I see a massive tom leopard, a muscular and ripped Patagonian/ Alberta cougar, a Bengal tiger of a Kodiak bear. A lot of feeling with the Jaguar aswell. I've always historically liked muscular and robust animals, just like you like the dog-esque look on dogs and reject the lupine look. Dogals are just on the lankier side and I really just don't like them that much, because they have a dogo-esque esthetical inside a fully greyhound-like dog. The dogo esthétique is one I think it fits good just on muscular and robust breeds like actual dogos and Bull arabs. Like, that dogo look that fits good on muscular robust dogs only IMO. Then you might say "but why don't you think the same about Galgos, Staghounds, Irish wolfhounds, BULL GREYS". Well that's the difference, I like these breeds because they have unique looks and are in my opinion the real elite working dog breeds of the lankier but fast as hell side, including pure greyhounds and borzois aswell. Bull greyhounds fascinate me a lot because I find their morphology very interesting, it is literally a mix of the extreme representant of the fast dogs family with the best subjugating dog types, which are generally Bull terriers and sometimes even apbt. And the results also give me very clear apbt vibes along side greyhound vibes, including very muscular and robust builts with wide and massive heads. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentSomething I don't see on Dogals. View AttachmentView AttachmentView Attachment
(Include the fact that bullgreys are a very interesting breed because we don't have a dog breed of this size with robust apbt vibes, like if we don't have a working apbt scaled to a large size with a lankier but still robust built as most large pitbulls are XXL mastiff cross BS that would struggle with a coyote for comparison. I find them interesting because they are a new type of breed we are generally not used to see, me as a guy who just got into working fog World. Now if you get me a muscular and robust dogal I'll say wow, I like it a lot, but why do we need it? It's just a lankier dogo at the end of the day, just use dogos)
Dogals look just like.... lanky and skinny dogos, they don't look like an interesting mix where both sides shine perfectly, they just look like the lanky dogo type, lanky built, long and narrow head... nothing interesting really for my taste. Reason why I think after all they are nothing but speed, sure they can catch hogs because some hogs are just faggotish and stay there and scream helpless. Against huge mean wild boars that fight to the end? No shit, that role is and will forever be dogo territory. No dogal can, in my opinion, dream to have the invincible mouth grappling some dogos display when getting gored and trashed around by those 200-300+ lb boars, including causing actual fractures on the boar skull. Long story short I am still a lot of an esthetic guy, and I like muscular and robust animals. Dogals don't really give me any interest vibes long story short. Not what Bull greys have already given to me.
I kind of get your point. Around the early/mid 2000s my ideal of a perfect dog was actually this-  That was peak dog form to me. Earlier still, before I got on the internet and was looking at photos in my books about fighting dogs and etc, I liked even bulkier Neo mastiffs like this -   Also liked "rednose pitbulls" and Tosas and american bulldogs and Leavitt Olde Bulldogges and etc etc... while I'm at it a photo dump of other dogs I grew up drooling over -          Keep in mind, I was drooling over these photos and had a fuzzy pig dog in the back yard I was largely ignoring, every one I knew had bull arabs or bullygreys or bullstags, but in my mind the "lean" racey look was actually inferior to these bulkier dogs. I knew the pig dogs were PARTLY comprised of dogs like those above, but to me they were dulled down and nerfed by their cross, so I wanted the "pure" bull/mastiff part. My first attempt was buying an SBT, but it just so happened to be a total wuss and even my elderly pig dog with no teeth riddled with cancer would kick its ass easily at which point it would run inside and complain to my mother with its human-like talking abilities. Undeterred, I later got a neo mastiff-based bandog (about 75% neo, 25% amstaff), and actually from very serious elite PP lines from a breeder that was extremely well respected internationally.  It was pretty good (and this photo doesn't really do it justice, I have better ones somewhere), but honestly ... not as tough as my original fuzzy pig dog, and then ALSO way slower and more sluggish and etc etc, which I found increasingly bothersome as I'd take my Neo X out to frolic in the wilderness. I then also got a female DDB x APBT, and she was just totally worthless, round, slow, small, weak, lazy, etc etc. That was when I really started questioning the "dog math" I was doing in my head, where bulldog/mastiff is the "fighting component" and therefore higher percentage of bulldog/mastiff the better the fighter and the more physically capable and etc etc. That just isn't true. You need SOME bull/mastiff to have a tough capable fighting dog, BUT it actually doesn't need to be a higher percentage, and you can gain a lot from outcrossing to other types. Especially sighthound. I started really appreciating speed and athleticism and jumping and stamina and etc etc. So I started to realise the pig dogs I grew up with were the best all along in accordance with what I like. I later got a male bull arab (struggling to find pics right now), now incidentally that bull arab was a dud mentally and in temperament, HOWEVER he was honestly stronger than my bandog and had a stronger bite AND obviously was way way faster. Less durable, and dumber temperament like I said, but that is honestly it, it was really better in every other way despite looking "lean" and racey. My cousin also had a bullmastiff x wolfhound that was a total monster, so so so much bigger and stronger than my neo x and yet also so much faster and more athletic. And note, I need to stress this, my Neo X wasn't a dud. In the PP world IT was a monster. I took it to a PP event and they were all bashful and jealous and expressing doubts that its a bandog, whispering among themselves. The trainer and decoy and etc were all blown away. The online PP community were all blown away, that was their idea of good, but as someone who grew up with pig dogs it was just underwhelming. They were making pet show dogs SLIGHTLY better, and were happy with the results, they didn't even know about real working dogs as far as I was concerned. I now have my female bull arab who has perfect temperament and is also physically great. When I get a male pup out of her (possibly via a staghound cross, is what I am thinking, though otherwise I might go bull arab - funnily enough my dad is nagging me to cross her to a neapolitan mastiff, and my best friend wants to cross her to his rednose pitbull... funny how things work out). But yeah, now when I look at all these purebred or heavy bull/mastiff dose dogs, I just don't get that excited, my aesthetic taste has turned to appreciate the more lean racey dogs. I really think they are just better. Now not ALL dogals look great to me, some do, some don't. But generally speaking I think I'd probably prefer Dogals over Dogos, which IMO have become too bulky and bulldog-heavy. It does on some level look cooler to me, but at the same time doesn't because I've just been fooled too many times by muscle and bulk. Some dogals probably go too far, especially with the heads being quite narrow and greyhound like and sometimes the body actually looks too heavy for their head. I still like a dog that is "head-heavy", gives the impression it can support its weight easily with it's jaw and neck, but I also really like a racey athletic sleek fast build and get turned off by the bulkier buffed dogs. Edit to add, after explaining my old taste, I think it would be best to be clear on what my ideal form of dog is now with pics (even though we've probably seen them all before)-      A dog that could run a few miles, swim through a river, jump a thorny hedge, burrow under a tree stump, run down a deer or fox, kick a rottweilers ass, lug any boar 1 out, lug a bull, lug a hyena, possibly catch and kill a wolf, make a bear spray piss and shit every where as it tries to run away, evade a lion or tiger, etc etc. Just ready for anything, the "action man" of dogs. The bulky jacked dogs just look slow and unfit to me now. Lol my apologies for missing this. That's a very interesting book you've showed.
My approach to working gripping dogs was very different and very "last minute" because it all really started in 2020 as I already said... before I was just into German shepherds, wolves and big cats in general, also a lot into dinosaurs (theropods- and I still am, though not as much). It began when I started seeing those videos on YouTube about the "strongest dog breeds that could defeat a lion" you know those BS videos that are a trend today. Watching that type of shit though got me interested by seeing some clips of dogs that impressed me, the Boerboel is the one that interested me the most because I had seen an image in that video of a very wide and bulky individual that looked ridicolously massive (and obviously it was not in a good sense, it was a pampered obese pet but I was still unaware). That obviously had consequences and I started immediately researching on google and Instagram aswell about this breed and to see some images of Boerboels owned by other people, the fun fact is that luckily working dog owners got me before those delusional owners could. Under some posts of some obviously overweight dog portrayed as a beardog the comments were raging. A lot of working dog owners were all INSULTING the owner and even the dog itself by calling it the classic insults working dog men use to judge pampered pets (which I would assimilate into my vocabulary and use very frequently and still do given the opportunity) such as fatass crap, inbred mutt, couch potato etc. You know.
That got me completely by surprise, I was almost shocked. Among those working dog people there was someone tagging also another person that apparently owned some real good working Boerboels and I clicked in the tag. Best click ever because that was the turning point, I found someone I will watch grow in the future years as a working Boerboel breeder : Romboel Farm dogs. Me and her became kinds close working dog chatters that I even made her the logo she still has as pfp.
By getting inside her page, I saw a picture that would have changed me forever and it was about my favourite Boerboel of her, Felix, a female. She's still one of my favourite individual dogs to this day because she always reminds me how my interest for them started. 
It was barely 2 or 3 days that I got into Boerboels and all I had seen was shitty useless couch potatoes but I was naive anf misinformed, but as soon as I saw THIS i got way more impressed than I did watching those heavy dogs. This impressed me a lot. Note that I wasn't much an anatomy guy back then and all I did even with leopards was barely watching documentaries. After I saw the muscle condition of THAT dog I got so interested that I actually started studying and informing myself on animal anatomy and how different bauplans work based on their function.
Since then well you know what happened, turned on the working dog side, started insulting and flaming with all fake dog experts bragging about their 200 lb bs etc etc. Then I met the dogo and well the esthetique and actual built of some of them including the very impressive performances against boars totally caught me forever. And forever it will be my favourite working "mastiff" breed although it's both mastiff, terrier and LGD by ancestry.
To note that during this moment when I was still in highschool I had to prepare for my french teacher a pdf presentation about human and animal relationship and obviously I had to search for dogfighting also...so I boarded on mail.ru for the first time. I was disgusted obviously, pissed off, but fascinated at the same time. Sucks to admit it, but I was fascinated by seeing the performances of one single dog breed (I was still not knowledged on this matter that time, I wasn't yet aware that I was watching pets and not the real thing) that defeated all the time what I considered the strongest breeds ever - kangal, TMs, Caucasian shepers and alabais. And yes, that breed was exactly the dogo. From then to forever my love and interest for that breed increased just too much and can only increase day by day. I'm not really agreeing that some dogos today are too bulky and muscular heavy now, the pictures I've sent to the message you quoted are of individual very functional dogos that have destroyed and lugged many boars, and some of those come from also what I consider the best dogo kennel which is also one of the first ones I've started watching content of. The best dogos on earth belong to that kennel IMO , La Mano De Dios Kennel in Bosnia close to my country. That's where 3 of my favourite dogos ever come from.
Akela (died after being gored in the throat by a boar but kept fighting till bloodloss made him faint and die)   Here's another new specimen from them, 42 kgs he's the PERFECT dogo type in my opinion, you see he has the robust mastiff head but he's got a very lean and agile built, this is my type of dogo. 
Not a too heavy weight one like this that probably has bad stamina aswell and will perform badly during its job.   Something like this. Raw strength but speed at the same time. These dogos give me vibes almost no other breed does .    And these are IMO superior to any Dogal. For the reasons I've already listed. Attachments:
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 4, 2023 21:22:31 GMT
Good posts, will respond when I can.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 4, 2023 21:34:15 GMT
CF users will say the hunter slit the porcupine's throat first  Almost got its jugular vein out but still lugged the boar afterwards.  |
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 4, 2023 22:03:54 GMT
CF users will say the hunter slit the porcupine's throat first View AttachmentAlmost got its jugular vein out but still lugged the boar afterwards. View AttachmentUhm actually we don't know how many dogs were attacking the porcupine, the porcupine probably made 4 Dogos, 8 Dogals and 3 street dogs back off before finally being overwhelmed by the massive pack of dogs. And then the owner is lying to us that a single Dogo did it. yep. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 4, 2023 23:02:29 GMT
CF users will say the hunter slit the porcupine's throat first View AttachmentAlmost got its jugular vein out but still lugged the boar afterwards. View AttachmentUhm actually we don't know how many dogs were attacking the porcupine, the porcupine probably made 4 Dogos, 8 Dogals and 3 street dogs back off before finally being overwhelmed by the massive pack of dogs. And then the owner is lying to us that a single Dogo did it. yep. He had us in the first half |
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 6, 2023 6:54:01 GMT
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 6, 2023 13:20:49 GMT
The biggest mystery in the world now is : where is Spaceshifter? |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 6, 2023 18:55:59 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 6, 2023 19:02:42 GMT
Ridgeback x Presa x EBT? Ridgeback is just a wild guess, the others I'm kinda certain there's at least EBT and either Presa or something close. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 6, 2023 22:52:15 GMT
Ridgeback x Presa x EBT? Ridgeback is just a wild guess, the others I'm kinda certain there's at least EBT and either Presa or something close. Ridgeback is wrong |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 6, 2023 23:09:36 GMT
Bullgreys now definitely occupy a considerable piece in my heart. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 6, 2023 23:12:32 GMT
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