Real working dogs from the World

[grippingwhiteness]

Dalmatians still work.

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Labrador


Whippet


Dobermans were considered terriers before?

[Hardcastle]

Love the dalmatian, lol. Not just "still working" but really going above and beyond their job description by the look of it. Seems to think its a lugger.

The breed needs to be understood as an "all purpose gun dog", basically a pointer and retriever and spaniel (flusher) and scenthound and bay dog etc in one, same as the weimeraner and viszla. But I will say I have always noticed that dalmatians are kind of scrappy, picking fights with my dogs a disproportionately high number of times relative to encounters. I don't know if they are the toughest gun dog though, the drahthaar might have something to say about that, but still impressed by these boar hunting specimens.

[Bolushi]

Mongrel bulldogs used as backup for the Boergrey(s) on brown hyenas. Makes sense. Hoping to find some stuff with just Boergreys or wolfhounds, but this was a very cool find.

[Hardcastle]

No one specified "current" world, so thought I'd post some pics of Medieval Europe's version of the Dogo Argentino/ Bull arab / et al; the Alaunt Gentil-



















^this one is actually "all the dogs", bottom left (muzzled for our safety) is alaunt gentil. 






^hunting a unicorn, lol

An alaunte is of the manner and nature of hounds. And the good alauntes be those which men call alauntes gentle. Others there be that men call alauntes veutreres, others be alauntes of the butcheries. They that be gentle should be made and shaped as a greyhound, even of all things save of the head, the which should be great and short. And though there be alauntes of all hues, the true hue of a good alaunte, and that which is most common should be white with black spots about the ears, small eyes and white standing ears and sharp above. Men should teach alauntes better, and to be of better custom than any other beasts, for he is better shaped and stronger for to do harm than any other beast. And also commonly alauntes are stordy164 (giddy) of their own nature and have not such good sense as many other hounds have, for if a man prick a horse the alauntes will run gladly and bite the horse. Also they run at oxen and sheep, and swine, and at all other beasts, or at men or at other hounds. For men have seen alauntes slay their masters. In all manner of ways alauntes are treacherous and evil understanding, and more foolish and more harebrained than any other kind of hound. And no one ever saw three well conditioned and good. For the good alaunte should run as fast as a greyhound, and any beast that he can catch he should hold with his seizers and not leave it. For an alaunte of his nature holds faster of his biting than can three greyhounds the best any man can find. And therefore it is the best hound to hold and to nyme (seize) all manner of beasts and hold them fast. And when he is well conditioned and perfect, men hold that he is good among all other hounds. But men find few that be perfect. A good alaunte should love his master and follow him, and help him in all cases, and do what his master commands him. A good alaunte should go fast and be hardy to take all kinds of beasts without turning, and hold fast and not leave it, and be well conditioned, and well at his master's command, and when he is such, men hold, as I have said, that he is the best hound that can be to take all manner of beasts.

Master of Game, By Edward the Second Duke of York, 1406

[lincoln]

Aug 3, 2023 7:32:49 GMT Hardcastle said:

No one specified "current" world, so thought I'd post some pics of Medieval Europe's version of the Dogo Argentino/ Bull arab / et al; the Alaunt Gentil-



















^this one is actually "all the dogs", bottom left (muzzled for our safety) is alaunt gentil. 






^hunting a unicorn, lol

An alaunte is of the manner and nature of hounds. And the good alauntes be those which men call alauntes gentle. Others there be that men call alauntes veutreres, others be alauntes of the butcheries. They that be gentle should be made and shaped as a greyhound, even of all things save of the head, the which should be great and short. And though there be alauntes of all hues, the true hue of a good alaunte, and that which is most common should be white with black spots about the ears, small eyes and white standing ears and sharp above. Men should teach alauntes better, and to be of better custom than any other beasts, for he is better shaped and stronger for to do harm than any other beast. And also commonly alauntes are stordy164 (giddy) of their own nature and have not such good sense as many other hounds have, for if a man prick a horse the alauntes will run gladly and bite the horse. Also they run at oxen and sheep, and swine, and at all other beasts, or at men or at other hounds. For men have seen alauntes slay their masters. In all manner of ways alauntes are treacherous and evil understanding, and more foolish and more harebrained than any other kind of hound. And no one ever saw three well conditioned and good. For the good alaunte should run as fast as a greyhound, and any beast that he can catch he should hold with his seizers and not leave it. For an alaunte of his nature holds faster of his biting than can three greyhounds the best any man can find. And therefore it is the best hound to hold and to nyme (seize) all manner of beasts and hold them fast. And when he is well conditioned and perfect, men hold that he is good among all other hounds. But men find few that be perfect. A good alaunte should love his master and follow him, and help him in all cases, and do what his master commands him. A good alaunte should go fast and be hardy to take all kinds of beasts without turning, and hold fast and not leave it, and be well conditioned, and well at his master's command, and when he is such, men hold, as I have said, that he is the best hound that can be to take all manner of beasts.

Master of Game, By Edward the Second Duke of York, 1406

This part of the pic lol

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Canario x Dobermann.
Probably adds some good speed. Still not useless imo I'd rather cross presas with Staghounds if I looked for speed.

[Bolushi]

I've heard of "Dogals" being made with Doberman but it's not common or preferred at all. Solid sighthound is your best bet.

[Hardcastle]

I really dislike dobermans, but crossed with a presa would improve them a lot. Seems like it would be a good cross actually. Especially for PP and dog sport stuff.

[grippingwhiteness]

Aug 4, 2023 1:27:45 GMT Hardcastle said:

I really dislike dobermans, but crossed with a presa would improve them a lot. Seems like it would be a good cross actually. Especially for PP and dog sport stuff.

Good news pal, remember me saying very firmly that the old videos you have been watching of volkodavs beating gripping dogs were not valid as a true evidence of LGD>gripping dogs? Turns out that one scrubbed 2009 russian site which doesn't work anymore confirmed my point. 99% of those videos are on mail.ru and unavailable because either private or deleted, but something remained and it's about Gabo, the most powerful of all the volkodavs of that era. He's exactly that famous giant white dog claimed to be an "alabai" on many videos that defeated that bullterrier and here you can see him fighting with other LGDs, the same bullterrier at the end and before against a large Apbt....which didn't get destroyed like the bull terrier...but instead endured enough and made Gabo will to flee the arena. But that's not all, you know what? The same Gabo, claimed again as the most powerful Volkodav ever, lost against other two "large pitbulls" named Killer and Borya

Sadly the videos aren't available anymore -

The final blow, Gabo apparently lost against another apbt named Hector.

Unfortunately these russian sites from 2009, now dead, have no images or displayed footage of the actual fights but we finally got our evidence, note that I've read the claim from some russians in the site that claim once the "bulldog" (definitely referring to apbts) is 45 lbs or more there's no spark for the "Wolfhound" (the Volkodav). And the fact that actual "large" pitbulls (so not even pure apbts probably but mutts) defeated Gabo, the strongest Volkodav of that time, makes me giggle a lot.

But take a look again at this video compilation

Do you also see what I see? Pets. Dominance fighting. That's what I see, from their movements, from their nose-to-nose eye contact before a fight, from their humping. These are not game bred dogs, even the nost elite fighting Volkodavs as I imagined are just as shit as mail.ru street pet fighters. I should track down Musth who said that the pet dogos defeated pet alabais....now we have the evidence that these "elite fighting LGDs" are of the same type of level as those street fighters ...shit.

You can also see the pitbull that made Gabo flee has also that aggressive pet faggotish mentality as he's also very goofy during the fight: stops, wanders around, looks at Gabo, growls and apporaches, gives a bite, releases.

That's not the game bred dogs we know about. That's not the game bred dogs that would launch themselves full speed, lug on the LGD and keep mauling and fighting till their lungs have no oxygen.

You see that these dogs see other dogs as dogs, they fight for dominance. Game bred apbts see other dogs on the ring like smelly inferior vermins and prey , inferior to their kind, to exterminate immediately. With the same way hunting trained dogos see caged pumas or boars.

I'm not 110% sure that a real hunting experienced dogo with the same mentality of dogos in old cage fights and boar hunting videos will definitely slaughter any LGD.


So we can finally end this idea of "LGD>gripping dogs". Any proper game bred boarhound or fighting apbt that sees the opponent as a vermin instead of a dog to dominate is too much for any LGD.

We can say loud and clear, once for all, that gripping dogs are above all dogs in the world in terms of fighting abilities.

[grippingwhiteness]

For some reason the video didn't load, here's it.

my.mail.ru/mail/vitalidin1/video/_myvideo/262.html

[grippingwhiteness]

Splendid Bullgrey.
Probably my favourite one so far

[grippingwhiteness]

The most psycho duo doesn't exi-

[Bolushi]

Aug 4, 2023 14:11:26 GMT grippingwhiteness said:

For some reason the video didn't load, here's it.

my.mail.ru/mail/vitalidin1/video/_myvideo/262.html

Gotta say I really like the look of that APBT. Reminds me of this -