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Post by Bolushi on Jul 31, 2023 23:33:59 GMT
WDoTW won't die though, if nothing else this thread will remain alive.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 1, 2023 0:04:44 GMT
Not worth USAR's interests, it's a small WAW branch that can't even dream to flourish It'll probably kill this forum tbh. Not as long as you all don't act foolish and start posting just there. Bring people here instead. It's an order |
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 1, 2023 0:20:36 GMT
grippingwhiteness I can't find it now, but while I was busy you said somewhere you don't like Dogals? Just curious about that, what don't you like about them? Mine is purely a matter of rivalry, I'll have to admit. With canids vs felids it's different, I've always historically felt rivalry with the delusional disrespecting fanboys and that's generally it, it was more i hate the fanboy but at the same time i still respect and love the animal, and hell if i got serious about hating an animal because of fanboys is stupid.But the difference lies here, I didn't need to feel rivalry, because in all those cases I was right and therefore it was an objective thing, so I had no reason to take it personally. I disliked fanboys and that's it. The Dogal case is very very different, there's a lot of esthetic reasons, a lot of morphologic reasons and a good amount of opinion-wise reasons. For what's worth I'll say that loud and clear without going circles on it, I esthetically don't really like Dogals. They are just the really lanky gracile version of the Dogo when mixed with Galgos or Staghounds, with me unable to see impressive specimens with impressive physiques UNLIKE the way I feel about Bullgreys. You see that historically I don't reaaaaally like lanky gracile animals as I don't feel a connection or spiritual bond with them, as I'm myself a pretty muscular gym guy. Or a game bred apbt, a sbt, a working Boerboel, a functional CC, a good American Bulldog, I see the connection. Just like when I see a massive tom leopard, a muscular and ripped Patagonian/ Alberta cougar, a Bengal tiger of a Kodiak bear. A lot of feeling with the Jaguar aswell. I've always historically liked muscular and robust animals, just like you like the dog-esque look on dogs and reject the lupine look. Dogals are just on the lankier side and I really just don't like them that much, because they have a dogo-esque esthetical inside a fully greyhound-like dog. The dogo esthétique is one I think it fits good just on muscular and robust breeds like actual dogos and Bull arabs. Like, that dogo look that fits good on muscular robust dogs only IMO. Then you might say "but why don't you think the same about Galgos, Staghounds, Irish wolfhounds, BULL GREYS". Well that's the difference, I like these breeds because they have unique looks and are in my opinion the real elite working dog breeds of the lankier but fast as hell side, including pure greyhounds and borzois aswell. Bull greyhounds fascinate me a lot because I find their morphology very interesting, it is literally a mix of the extreme representant of the fast dogs family with the best subjugating dog types, which are generally Bull terriers and sometimes even apbt. And the results also give me very clear apbt vibes along side greyhound vibes, including very muscular and robust builts with wide and massive heads. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentSomething I don't see on Dogals. View AttachmentView AttachmentView Attachment
(Include the fact that bullgreys are a very interesting breed because we don't have a dog breed of this size with robust apbt vibes, like if we don't have a working apbt scaled to a large size with a lankier but still robust built as most large pitbulls are XXL mastiff cross BS that would struggle with a coyote for comparison. I find them interesting because they are a new type of breed we are generally not used to see, me as a guy who just got into working fog World. Now if you get me a muscular and robust dogal I'll say wow, I like it a lot, but why do we need it? It's just a lankier dogo at the end of the day, just use dogos)
Dogals look just like.... lanky and skinny dogos, they don't look like an interesting mix where both sides shine perfectly, they just look like the lanky dogo type, lanky built, long and narrow head... nothing interesting really for my taste. Reason why I think after all they are nothing but speed, sure they can catch hogs because some hogs are just faggotish and stay there and scream helpless. Against huge mean wild boars that fight to the end? No shit, that role is and will forever be dogo territory. No dogal can, in my opinion, dream to have the invincible mouth grappling some dogos display when getting gored and trashed around by those 200-300+ lb boars, including causing actual fractures on the boar skull. Long story short I am still a lot of an esthetic guy, and I like muscular and robust animals. Dogals don't really give me any interest vibes long story short. Not what Bull greys have already given to me.
I kind of get your point. Around the early/mid 2000s my ideal of a perfect dog was actually this-  That was peak dog form to me. Earlier still, before I got on the internet and was looking at photos in my books about fighting dogs and etc, I liked even bulkier Neo mastiffs like this -   Also liked "rednose pitbulls" and Tosas and american bulldogs and Leavitt Olde Bulldogges and etc etc... while I'm at it a photo dump of other dogs I grew up drooling over -          Keep in mind, I was drooling over these photos and had a fuzzy pig dog in the back yard I was largely ignoring, every one I knew had bull arabs or bullygreys or bullstags, but in my mind the "lean" racey look was actually inferior to these bulkier dogs. I knew the pig dogs were PARTLY comprised of dogs like those above, but to me they were dulled down and nerfed by their cross, so I wanted the "pure" bull/mastiff part. My first attempt was buying an SBT, but it just so happened to be a total wuss and even my elderly pig dog with no teeth riddled with cancer would kick its ass easily at which point it would run inside and complain to my mother with its human-like talking abilities. Undeterred, I later got a neo mastiff-based bandog (about 75% neo, 25% amstaff), and actually from very serious elite PP lines from a breeder that was extremely well respected internationally.  It was pretty good (and this photo doesn't really do it justice, I have better ones somewhere), but honestly ... not as tough as my original fuzzy pig dog, and then ALSO way slower and more sluggish and etc etc, which I found increasingly bothersome as I'd take my Neo X out to frolic in the wilderness. I then also got a female DDB x APBT, and she was just totally worthless, round, slow, small, weak, lazy, etc etc. That was when I really started questioning the "dog math" I was doing in my head, where bulldog/mastiff is the "fighting component" and therefore higher percentage of bulldog/mastiff the better the fighter and the more physically capable and etc etc. That just isn't true. You need SOME bull/mastiff to have a tough capable fighting dog, BUT it actually doesn't need to be a higher percentage, and you can gain a lot from outcrossing to other types. Especially sighthound. I started really appreciating speed and athleticism and jumping and stamina and etc etc. So I started to realise the pig dogs I grew up with were the best all along in accordance with what I like. I later got a male bull arab (struggling to find pics right now), now incidentally that bull arab was a dud mentally and in temperament, HOWEVER he was honestly stronger than my bandog and had a stronger bite AND obviously was way way faster. Less durable, and dumber temperament like I said, but that is honestly it, it was really better in every other way despite looking "lean" and racey. My cousin also had a bullmastiff x wolfhound that was a total monster, so so so much bigger and stronger than my neo x and yet also so much faster and more athletic. And note, I need to stress this, my Neo X wasn't a dud. In the PP world IT was a monster. I took it to a PP event and they were all bashful and jealous and expressing doubts that its a bandog, whispering among themselves. The trainer and decoy and etc were all blown away. The online PP community were all blown away, that was their idea of good, but as someone who grew up with pig dogs it was just underwhelming. They were making pet show dogs SLIGHTLY better, and were happy with the results, they didn't even know about real working dogs as far as I was concerned. I now have my female bull arab who has perfect temperament and is also physically great. When I get a male pup out of her (possibly via a staghound cross, is what I am thinking, though otherwise I might go bull arab - funnily enough my dad is nagging me to cross her to a neapolitan mastiff, and my best friend wants to cross her to his rednose pitbull... funny how things work out). But yeah, now when I look at all these purebred or heavy bull/mastiff dose dogs, I just don't get that excited, my aesthetic taste has turned to appreciate the more lean racey dogs. I really think they are just better. Now not ALL dogals look great to me, some do, some don't. But generally speaking I think I'd probably prefer Dogals over Dogos, which IMO have become too bulky and bulldog-heavy. It does on some level look cooler to me, but at the same time doesn't because I've just been fooled too many times by muscle and bulk. Some dogals probably go too far, especially with the heads being quite narrow and greyhound like and sometimes the body actually looks too heavy for their head. I still like a dog that is "head-heavy", gives the impression it can support its weight easily with it's jaw and neck, but I also really like a racey athletic sleek fast build and get turned off by the bulkier buffed dogs. Edit to add, after explaining my old taste, I think it would be best to be clear on what my ideal form of dog is now with pics (even though we've probably seen them all before)-      A dog that could run a few miles, swim through a river, jump a thorny hedge, burrow under a tree stump, run down a deer or fox, kick a rottweilers ass, lug any boar 1 out, lug a bull, lug a hyena, possibly catch and kill a wolf, make a bear spray piss and shit every where as it tries to run away, evade a lion or tiger, etc etc. Just ready for anything, the "action man" of dogs. The bulky jacked dogs just look slow and unfit to me now. |
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 1, 2023 1:22:49 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 1, 2023 4:43:50 GMT
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Post by Bolushi on Aug 1, 2023 5:00:51 GMT
Wish it was higher quality and the dogs got more of a front row seat but I found this -  |
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Post by Hardcastle on Aug 1, 2023 6:02:06 GMT
Those alano bull-work pics are really great, it's awesome to see real bulldogs still going strong. Notice they are quite lean and fit looking dogs, mostly around 70 lbs or so.
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 1, 2023 21:42:01 GMT
 I need this book |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Aug 1, 2023 21:44:39 GMT
 Patterdale  Patterdale and Staghound  Weimarer  Lurcher  |
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Post by lincoln on Aug 2, 2023 6:08:56 GMT
Ye Attachments:
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Post by lincoln on Aug 2, 2023 6:09:29 GMT
LGD vs boar Attachments:
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Post by lincoln on Aug 2, 2023 6:11:06 GMT
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Post by lincoln on Aug 2, 2023 6:11:45 GMT
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Post by lincoln on Aug 2, 2023 6:12:17 GMT
Good looking staffy bull and XL bully Attachments:
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