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Post by lincoln on Nov 30, 2022 16:58:26 GMT
Still better than a shitbull. Owner admitted that he has been hunting all his life, meaning these are hunting dog. "I'm from the country, up in east Texas and I've been hunting and playing in the woods all my life...It was definitely a bobcat." Interesting that Those barley even look like A.P.B.T. Not A.P.B.Ts. THEY said THEY have been hunting, not the dogs. Those were pets so not A.P.B.Ts and not hunting dogs im not even biased but those are points worth pointing out |
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Post by Hardcastle on Nov 30, 2022 17:14:17 GMT
The problem is really simple. Non-dog people think "well so what? the dogs were pets but dogs are pets, so all fair", no dogs aren't pets. Being a pet is no less debilitating for a dog than it is for a wild animal, it's exactly the same. And just for the record the percentage of dogs that are pets is actually lower than the percentage of tigers that are pets, by a huge amount. Imagine if the topic was "tiger vs animal X" and people were like "well 70% of tigers are pampered pets so they will lose because they are wussy nerd pets". You'd rightfully be like "why tf would we be looking at the pet tigers?? we Ofcourse assume a wild badass tiger". Well ok, why? Or better yet why wouldn't you do the same with dogs. 70% of tigers are pets. Only 20% of dogs on the planet are pets, so... wtf? Those are the factual statistics of the matter.
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Post by Johnson on Nov 30, 2022 18:27:00 GMT
Doesn't look like a screenshot from a game to me, but does look like dumb shit with scenthounds. The world of scenthounds is bullshit. Scenthounds are EVEN bigger cowards than wild animals, they are nonsense and should never ever be used as a substitute for any other kind of dog. They are fundamentally more different than a catch dog or terrier than the very cat you are arguing for. You can no sooner use a scenthound as a stand in for a catch dog than I can use a scenthound as a stand in for a puma. Imagine if I was like "puma will lose to pitbull, see here what this pitbull did to a coonhound", you'd be like "huh? What does that coonhound have to do with what a puma would do?" and the exact same applies when you try and use a scenthound as a stand in for other types of dogs. They are massively different animals. Dogs are not one animal, they are functionally many vastly different animals, forget that they are the same species, their actual abilities and instincts and morphology and etc etc varies more than the rest of carnivora COMBINED (that's a fact quoted in scientific literature). You can not use different dogs to represent one another. It's just incorrect and wrong to do so. Sadly pet pitbulls also are not the same animal as working pitbulls, physically they basically are but mentally they are totally different. This makes dog haters be all "oh nice excuse", but they have no hesitation to use the exact same excuse if someone references the pet Lion named "Nero" that got the shit beaten out of it by a couple of 20-30 lbs bulldogs. At one point 1 single 20 lbs bulldog was fucking up nero, the african lion, and making him scream, and that's because being a pampered naive pet is extraordinarily debilitating to the capability of an animal. Far worse than being "abused" or mistreated, that actually keeps an animal a pretty sharp fighter, but a soft pampered "fur baby" is a total decimation of your abilities. As Nero the african lion showed, and as those petbulls show when they get hurt by a bobcat. It's absurd to think a working switched on pitbull would have any problem with a bobcat whatsoever. It's a literal rag in the dogs mouth getting pulverises and thrashed into pieces. A bobcat would never even attempt to go near such a dog, it chose those petbulls because it knew they were naive vulnerable soft targets. Predators "prey", they target weakness, very shrewdly with expert judgement. They don't pick fights with something that can and will fight back well beyond their capabilities. The only relevant fights we will ever have are with hunting dogs FORCING the fight on non-consenting wild predators, and then you need to make sure you have the right animal. A coonhound is a coonhound, it has nothing to do with catch dogs, it may as well be a 3 toed sloth, it's just entirely irrelevant. It is its own animal, we can discuss "coonhound vs xyz" and that will be it's own discussion. Coonhounds are one thing, catch dogs something else entirely (and they also can be divided into bulldogs and boarhounds), terriers something different again. There are about 17 totally different animals that are "dogs". And then yes we have to combat the "pet factor", that goes equally for dogs and wild animals. A pampered pet doesn't count. An abused pet is better but not ideal. Ideally we need the animal performing the lifestyle that shaped it into what it is. So a puma should be a wild solo stealth hunter living in the americas, and a catch dog should work as a catch dog. That makes them valid representatives of their kind. Even a coonhound, should be a working tracking and baying hound. That won't actually make it a better fighter at all, it's job isn't about fighting (and is actively anti-fighting) however it still is the animal it is and you need that lifestyle to accurately have the animal. Ditto for wild cats, ditto for catch dogs. They need to be living the lifestyle that sculpted their evolution. From what I have seen, pitbulls usually start the attacks on other animals or people. The Bobcat may have been exploring some yards only for the mutt to show up and attack. Of course since the Bobcat was not some defenseless little animal, so it beat the tar out of the pitbull. You say it is a pet, but it was owned by a guy who admitted to hunting for most of his life. The hunters who have dogs usually make them work for game. It is just that the pitbull did not have the guy to shoot the cat at this moment. The problem is that dog based hunters make bold claims about their dogs being able to kill Bobcats or other formidable animals, but never seem to have proof outside of aftermath pictures or just some statement. I guess you are correct on the last statement. At least the current crop of bowhunters, or even the gun hunter, do not need a bunch of dogs. |
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Post by lincoln on Nov 30, 2022 18:51:27 GMT
Doesn't look like a screenshot from a game to me, but does look like dumb shit with scenthounds. The world of scenthounds is bullshit. Scenthounds are EVEN bigger cowards than wild animals, they are nonsense and should never ever be used as a substitute for any other kind of dog. They are fundamentally more different than a catch dog or terrier than the very cat you are arguing for. You can no sooner use a scenthound as a stand in for a catch dog than I can use a scenthound as a stand in for a puma. Imagine if I was like "puma will lose to pitbull, see here what this pitbull did to a coonhound", you'd be like "huh? What does that coonhound have to do with what a puma would do?" and the exact same applies when you try and use a scenthound as a stand in for other types of dogs. They are massively different animals. Dogs are not one animal, they are functionally many vastly different animals, forget that they are the same species, their actual abilities and instincts and morphology and etc etc varies more than the rest of carnivora COMBINED (that's a fact quoted in scientific literature). You can not use different dogs to represent one another. It's just incorrect and wrong to do so. Sadly pet pitbulls also are not the same animal as working pitbulls, physically they basically are but mentally they are totally different. This makes dog haters be all "oh nice excuse", but they have no hesitation to use the exact same excuse if someone references the pet Lion named "Nero" that got the shit beaten out of it by a couple of 20-30 lbs bulldogs. At one point 1 single 20 lbs bulldog was fucking up nero, the african lion, and making him scream, and that's because being a pampered naive pet is extraordinarily debilitating to the capability of an animal. Far worse than being "abused" or mistreated, that actually keeps an animal a pretty sharp fighter, but a soft pampered "fur baby" is a total decimation of your abilities. As Nero the african lion showed, and as those petbulls show when they get hurt by a bobcat. It's absurd to think a working switched on pitbull would have any problem with a bobcat whatsoever. It's a literal rag in the dogs mouth getting pulverises and thrashed into pieces. A bobcat would never even attempt to go near such a dog, it chose those petbulls because it knew they were naive vulnerable soft targets. Predators "prey", they target weakness, very shrewdly with expert judgement. They don't pick fights with something that can and will fight back well beyond their capabilities. The only relevant fights we will ever have are with hunting dogs FORCING the fight on non-consenting wild predators, and then you need to make sure you have the right animal. A coonhound is a coonhound, it has nothing to do with catch dogs, it may as well be a 3 toed sloth, it's just entirely irrelevant. It is its own animal, we can discuss "coonhound vs xyz" and that will be it's own discussion. Coonhounds are one thing, catch dogs something else entirely (and they also can be divided into bulldogs and boarhounds), terriers something different again. There are about 17 totally different animals that are "dogs". And then yes we have to combat the "pet factor", that goes equally for dogs and wild animals. A pampered pet doesn't count. An abused pet is better but not ideal. Ideally we need the animal performing the lifestyle that shaped it into what it is. So a puma should be a wild solo stealth hunter living in the americas, and a catch dog should work as a catch dog. That makes them valid representatives of their kind. Even a coonhound, should be a working tracking and baying hound. That won't actually make it a better fighter at all, it's job isn't about fighting (and is actively anti-fighting) however it still is the animal it is and you need that lifestyle to accurately have the animal. Ditto for wild cats, ditto for catch dogs. They need to be living the lifestyle that sculpted their evolution. From what I have seen, pitbulls usually start the attacks on other animals or people. The Bobcat may have been exploring some yards only for the mutt to show up and attack. Of course since the Bobcat was not some defenseless little animal, so it beat the tar out of the pitbull. You say it is a pet, but it was owned by a guy who admitted to hunting for most of his life. The hunters who have dogs usually make them work for game. It is just that the pitbull did not have the guy to shoot the cat at this moment. The problem is that dog based hunters make bold claims about their dogs being able to kill Bobcats or other formidable animals, but never seem to have proof outside of aftermath pictures or just some statement. I guess you are correct on the last statement. At least the current crop of bowhunters, or even the gun hunter, do not need a bunch of dogs. They claim THEY have been hunting, they never said the dogs are used for hunting |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2022 18:57:44 GMT
Doesn't look like a screenshot from a game to me, but does look like dumb shit with scenthounds. The world of scenthounds is bullshit. Scenthounds are EVEN bigger cowards than wild animals, they are nonsense and should never ever be used as a substitute for any other kind of dog. They are fundamentally more different than a catch dog or terrier than the very cat you are arguing for. You can no sooner use a scenthound as a stand in for a catch dog than I can use a scenthound as a stand in for a puma. Imagine if I was like "puma will lose to pitbull, see here what this pitbull did to a coonhound", you'd be like "huh? What does that coonhound have to do with what a puma would do?" and the exact same applies when you try and use a scenthound as a stand in for other types of dogs. They are massively different animals. Dogs are not one animal, they are functionally many vastly different animals, forget that they are the same species, their actual abilities and instincts and morphology and etc etc varies more than the rest of carnivora COMBINED (that's a fact quoted in scientific literature). You can not use different dogs to represent one another. It's just incorrect and wrong to do so. Sadly pet pitbulls also are not the same animal as working pitbulls, physically they basically are but mentally they are totally different. This makes dog haters be all "oh nice excuse", but they have no hesitation to use the exact same excuse if someone references the pet Lion named "Nero" that got the shit beaten out of it by a couple of 20-30 lbs bulldogs. At one point 1 single 20 lbs bulldog was fucking up nero, the african lion, and making him scream, and that's because being a pampered naive pet is extraordinarily debilitating to the capability of an animal. Far worse than being "abused" or mistreated, that actually keeps an animal a pretty sharp fighter, but a soft pampered "fur baby" is a total decimation of your abilities. As Nero the african lion showed, and as those petbulls show when they get hurt by a bobcat. It's absurd to think a working switched on pitbull would have any problem with a bobcat whatsoever. It's a literal rag in the dogs mouth getting pulverises and thrashed into pieces. A bobcat would never even attempt to go near such a dog, it chose those petbulls because it knew they were naive vulnerable soft targets. Predators "prey", they target weakness, very shrewdly with expert judgement. They don't pick fights with something that can and will fight back well beyond their capabilities. The only relevant fights we will ever have are with hunting dogs FORCING the fight on non-consenting wild predators, and then you need to make sure you have the right animal. A coonhound is a coonhound, it has nothing to do with catch dogs, it may as well be a 3 toed sloth, it's just entirely irrelevant. It is its own animal, we can discuss "coonhound vs xyz" and that will be it's own discussion. Coonhounds are one thing, catch dogs something else entirely (and they also can be divided into bulldogs and boarhounds), terriers something different again. There are about 17 totally different animals that are "dogs". And then yes we have to combat the "pet factor", that goes equally for dogs and wild animals. A pampered pet doesn't count. An abused pet is better but not ideal. Ideally we need the animal performing the lifestyle that shaped it into what it is. So a puma should be a wild solo stealth hunter living in the americas, and a catch dog should work as a catch dog. That makes them valid representatives of their kind. Even a coonhound, should be a working tracking and baying hound. That won't actually make it a better fighter at all, it's job isn't about fighting (and is actively anti-fighting) however it still is the animal it is and you need that lifestyle to accurately have the animal. Ditto for wild cats, ditto for catch dogs. They need to be living the lifestyle that sculpted their evolution. From what I have seen, pitbulls usually start the attacks on other animals or people. The Bobcat may have been exploring some yards only for the mutt to show up and attack. Of course since the Bobcat was not some defenseless little animal, so it beat the tar out of the pitbull. You say it is a pet, but it was owned by a guy who admitted to hunting for most of his life. The hunters who have dogs usually make them work for game. It is just that the pitbull did not have the guy to shoot the cat at this moment. The problem is that dog based hunters make bold claims about their dogs being able to kill Bobcats or other formidable animals, but never seem to have proof outside of aftermath pictures or just some statement. I guess you are correct on the last statement. At least the current crop of bowhunters, or even the gun hunter, do not need a bunch of dogs. Pitbulls aren't the ones starting the attacks here evidently. Otherwise they would've gotten a hold. The pitbulls should, but pets don't. Hunters can have pet dogs, I know some hunters who have pet dogs. Does he hunt boars? No? Because that's the only thing the pitbull could be useful for. The video doesn't even appear to be down south where boars exist to begin with, so the pitbull's job isn't even available. Don't worry, in 20 years you'll see a farmer in Montana making 4K videos of a dog killing elk, moose and cougars. Perhaps that'll be good enough evidence. |
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Post by Johnson on Nov 30, 2022 19:17:16 GMT
From what I have seen, pitbulls usually start the attacks on other animals or people. The Bobcat may have been exploring some yards only for the mutt to show up and attack. Of course since the Bobcat was not some defenseless little animal, so it beat the tar out of the pitbull. You say it is a pet, but it was owned by a guy who admitted to hunting for most of his life. The hunters who have dogs usually make them work for game. It is just that the pitbull did not have the guy to shoot the cat at this moment. The problem is that dog based hunters make bold claims about their dogs being able to kill Bobcats or other formidable animals, but never seem to have proof outside of aftermath pictures or just some statement. I guess you are correct on the last statement. At least the current crop of bowhunters, or even the gun hunter, do not need a bunch of dogs. Pitbulls aren't the ones starting the attacks here evidently. Otherwise they would've gotten a hold. The pitbulls should, but pets don't. Hunters can have pet dogs, I know some hunters who have pet dogs. Does he hunt boars? No? Because that's the only thing the pitbull could be useful for. The video doesn't even appear to be down south where boars exist to begin with, so the pitbull's job isn't even available. Don't worry, in 20 years you'll see a farmer in Montana making 4K videos of a dog killing elk, moose and cougars. Perhaps that'll be good enough evidence. What a load of bs. All the pitbull videos show them attacking first. No wonder why BSLs are so common for the shitbull. This was in Texas, Feral Hog State, so the pitbull is for good use there. I mean the dogs like Chihuahuas and St. Bernard are no longer needed for the hunts. Doubt that since they will have to omit gunshot wounds on the Cougar or pretend only one dog can kill the Cat without any assistance. It will just be a high definition photo of the fmaftermath or a heavily edited video like that Bobcat vs Hound. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2022 19:19:14 GMT
Pitbulls aren't the ones starting the attacks here evidently. Otherwise they would've gotten a hold. The pitbulls should, but pets don't. Hunters can have pet dogs, I know some hunters who have pet dogs. Does he hunt boars? No? Because that's the only thing the pitbull could be useful for. The video doesn't even appear to be down south where boars exist to begin with, so the pitbull's job isn't even available. Don't worry, in 20 years you'll see a farmer in Montana making 4K videos of a dog killing elk, moose and cougars. Perhaps that'll be good enough evidence. What a load of bs. All the pitbull videos show them attacking first. No wonder why BSLs are so common for the shitbull. This was in Texas, Feral Hog State, so the pitbull is for good use there. I mean the dogs like Chihuahuas and St. Bernard are no longer needed for the hunts. Doubt that since they will have to omit gunshot wounds on the Cougar or pretend only one dog can kill the Cat without any assistance. It will just be a high definition photo of the fmaftermath or a heavily edited video like that Bobcat vs Hound. What are your thoughts on this? rumble.com/v1txdke-montage-but-its-the-same-and-ever-so-slightly-different-at-312.htmlCan you show evidence of a bobcat doing the same tasks as those dogs? |
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Post by Johnson on Dec 1, 2022 1:27:54 GMT
What a load of bs. All the pitbull videos show them attacking first. No wonder why BSLs are so common for the shitbull. This was in Texas, Feral Hog State, so the pitbull is for good use there. I mean the dogs like Chihuahuas and St. Bernard are no longer needed for the hunts. Doubt that since they will have to omit gunshot wounds on the Cougar or pretend only one dog can kill the Cat without any assistance. It will just be a high definition photo of the fmaftermath or a heavily edited video like that Bobcat vs Hound. What are your thoughts on this? rumble.com/v1txdke-montage-but-its-the-same-and-ever-so-slightly-different-at-312.htmlCan you show evidence of a bobcat doing the same tasks as those dogs? Why would dogs being able to hold on to an Ungulate with limited limb usage prove that they can hold onto a carnivore that can use all of its limbs to fight back? Here are some plott hounds holding onto a Boar. Yet this is the same dog that was getting owned by a Bobcat. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 1:40:55 GMT
Why would dogs being able to hold on to an Ungulate with limited limb usage prove that they can hold onto a carnivore that can use all of its limbs to fight back? Here are some plott hounds holding onto a Boar. Yet this is the same dog that was getting owned by a Bobcat. That is a special plotthound, and indeed it has been said they're quite rough. Equally boars in Tennessee are pussies because Tennessee isn't the badlands and not a harsh environment. Plus that Plotthound was sort of doing a half-assed catch job, but yes it was good and a special lead catch dog. Those other plotthounds were baying. Bobcat dogs bay and are bred to bay, that video means nothing. A plotthound would murder a bobcat, that plotthound came around with some intent and then got surprised. The bobcat does not having the killing tools to kill a plotthound though. Can a bobcat hold onto a formidable ungulate with limited limb usage without getting beaten into a paste? Like a boar? Cattle? No, it cannot. Evidently its limbs are ineffective. Also a bull breed has way stronger neck muscles and gripping strength and bones than a plotthound, but it's not needed for a lynx. Not even close to needed. They aren't in the same stratosphere. By the way that video is pretty cool. Seeing plotthounds do that does impress me. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Dec 1, 2022 2:44:06 GMT
Doesn't look like a screenshot from a game to me, but does look like dumb shit with scenthounds. The world of scenthounds is bullshit. Scenthounds are EVEN bigger cowards than wild animals, they are nonsense and should never ever be used as a substitute for any other kind of dog. They are fundamentally more different than a catch dog or terrier than the very cat you are arguing for. You can no sooner use a scenthound as a stand in for a catch dog than I can use a scenthound as a stand in for a puma. Imagine if I was like "puma will lose to pitbull, see here what this pitbull did to a coonhound", you'd be like "huh? What does that coonhound have to do with what a puma would do?" and the exact same applies when you try and use a scenthound as a stand in for other types of dogs. They are massively different animals. Dogs are not one animal, they are functionally many vastly different animals, forget that they are the same species, their actual abilities and instincts and morphology and etc etc varies more than the rest of carnivora COMBINED (that's a fact quoted in scientific literature). You can not use different dogs to represent one another. It's just incorrect and wrong to do so. Sadly pet pitbulls also are not the same animal as working pitbulls, physically they basically are but mentally they are totally different. This makes dog haters be all "oh nice excuse", but they have no hesitation to use the exact same excuse if someone references the pet Lion named "Nero" that got the shit beaten out of it by a couple of 20-30 lbs bulldogs. At one point 1 single 20 lbs bulldog was fucking up nero, the african lion, and making him scream, and that's because being a pampered naive pet is extraordinarily debilitating to the capability of an animal. Far worse than being "abused" or mistreated, that actually keeps an animal a pretty sharp fighter, but a soft pampered "fur baby" is a total decimation of your abilities. As Nero the african lion showed, and as those petbulls show when they get hurt by a bobcat. It's absurd to think a working switched on pitbull would have any problem with a bobcat whatsoever. It's a literal rag in the dogs mouth getting pulverises and thrashed into pieces. A bobcat would never even attempt to go near such a dog, it chose those petbulls because it knew they were naive vulnerable soft targets. Predators "prey", they target weakness, very shrewdly with expert judgement. They don't pick fights with something that can and will fight back well beyond their capabilities. The only relevant fights we will ever have are with hunting dogs FORCING the fight on non-consenting wild predators, and then you need to make sure you have the right animal. A coonhound is a coonhound, it has nothing to do with catch dogs, it may as well be a 3 toed sloth, it's just entirely irrelevant. It is its own animal, we can discuss "coonhound vs xyz" and that will be it's own discussion. Coonhounds are one thing, catch dogs something else entirely (and they also can be divided into bulldogs and boarhounds), terriers something different again. There are about 17 totally different animals that are "dogs". And then yes we have to combat the "pet factor", that goes equally for dogs and wild animals. A pampered pet doesn't count. An abused pet is better but not ideal. Ideally we need the animal performing the lifestyle that shaped it into what it is. So a puma should be a wild solo stealth hunter living in the americas, and a catch dog should work as a catch dog. That makes them valid representatives of their kind. Even a coonhound, should be a working tracking and baying hound. That won't actually make it a better fighter at all, it's job isn't about fighting (and is actively anti-fighting) however it still is the animal it is and you need that lifestyle to accurately have the animal. Ditto for wild cats, ditto for catch dogs. They need to be living the lifestyle that sculpted their evolution. From what I have seen, pitbulls usually start the attacks on other animals or people. The Bobcat may have been exploring some yards only for the mutt to show up and attack. Of course since the Bobcat was not some defenseless little animal, so it beat the tar out of the pitbull. You say it is a pet, but it was owned by a guy who admitted to hunting for most of his life. The hunters who have dogs usually make them work for game. It is just that the pitbull did not have the guy to shoot the cat at this moment. The problem is that dog based hunters make bold claims about their dogs being able to kill Bobcats or other formidable animals, but never seem to have proof outside of aftermath pictures or just some statement. I guess you are correct on the last statement. At least the current crop of bowhunters, or even the gun hunter, do not need a bunch of dogs. Hunters aren't one thing. A hunter that uses catch dogs is a specific kind of hunter and in the USA a relatively rare kind of hunter. It's the main kind of hunter in Australia, New Zealand and Argentina- but not the USA. USA has some but 99+% of hunters in the USA have nothing to do with catch dogs. Same as Canada and most of Europe/Russia. You never hear about catch dog use in these places. South Africa, Brazil, spain, portugal, pakistan, have significant catch dog cultures. USA has a sprinkle but they are so extremely overshadowed by the rifle and bow hunters. It's a safe bet to know this hunter wasn't a catch dog guy. And beyond that, we can see the pitbulls, they are not working dogs. Lol. See how it's laying on a sofa? And is all fat? yeah no. It's not a working dog. What you're doing is like seeing this guy-  and saying "well maybe he's a professional athlete, like a UFC fighter or something, who could say?". No, we can say. We can see him and confidently know he's not a professional athlete, it's not ambiguous in the least. If we saw a picture like this-  Or even this  Then yes, they would appear to probably be working dogs. Two fat pitbulls canoodling with their mumsy on the couch are of course not working dogs. The fact the owners care that they got hurt by a bobcat shows they aren't working dogs, and the fact they got hurt by a bobcat also shows they definitely aren't working pitbulls since a bobcat is several tiers down from being a worthy contender for a working pitbull. |
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Post by lincoln on Dec 1, 2022 3:30:29 GMT
From what I have seen, pitbulls usually start the attacks on other animals or people. The Bobcat may have been exploring some yards only for the mutt to show up and attack. Of course since the Bobcat was not some defenseless little animal, so it beat the tar out of the pitbull. You say it is a pet, but it was owned by a guy who admitted to hunting for most of his life. The hunters who have dogs usually make them work for game. It is just that the pitbull did not have the guy to shoot the cat at this moment. The problem is that dog based hunters make bold claims about their dogs being able to kill Bobcats or other formidable animals, but never seem to have proof outside of aftermath pictures or just some statement. I guess you are correct on the last statement. At least the current crop of bowhunters, or even the gun hunter, do not need a bunch of dogs. Hunters aren't one thing. A hunter that uses catch dogs is a specific kind of hunter and in the USA a relatively rare kind of hunter. It's the main kind of hunter in Australia, New Zealand and Argentina- but not the USA. USA has some but 99+% of hunters in the USA have nothing to do with catch dogs. Same as Canada and most of Europe/Russia. You never hear about catch dog use in these places. South Africa, Brazil, spain, portugal, pakistan, have significant catch dog cultures. USA has a sprinkle but they are so extremely overshadowed by the rifle and bow hunters. It's a safe bet to know this hunter wasn't a catch dog guy. And beyond that, we can see the pitbulls, they are not working dogs. Lol. See how it's laying on a sofa? And is all fat? yeah no. It's not a working dog. What you're doing is like seeing this guy- and saying "well maybe he's a professional athlete, like a UFC fighter or something, who could say?". No, we can say. We can see him and confidently know he's not a professional athlete, it's not ambiguous in the least. If we saw a picture like this- Or even this Then yes, they would appear to probably be working dogs. Two fat pitbulls canoodling with their mumsy on the couch are of course not working dogs. The fact the owners care that they got hurt by a bobcat shows they aren't working dogs, and the fact they got hurt by a bobcat also shows they definitely aren't working pitbulls since a bobcat is several tiers down from being a worthy contender for a working pitbull. Those dogs in the video are not even A.P.B.Ts to begin with |
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Post by Johnson on Dec 1, 2022 4:49:41 GMT
Why would dogs being able to hold on to an Ungulate with limited limb usage prove that they can hold onto a carnivore that can use all of its limbs to fight back? Here are some plott hounds holding onto a Boar. Yet this is the same dog that was getting owned by a Bobcat. That is a special plotthound, and indeed it has been said they're quite rough. Equally boars in Tennessee are pussies because Tennessee isn't the badlands and not a harsh environment. Plus that Plotthound was sort of doing a half-assed catch job, but yes it was good and a special lead catch dog. Those other plotthounds were baying. Bobcat dogs bay and are bred to bay, that video means nothing. A plotthound would murder a bobcat, that plotthound came around with some intent and then got surprised. The bobcat does not having the killing tools to kill a plotthound though. Can a bobcat hold onto a formidable ungulate with limited limb usage without getting beaten into a paste? Like a boar? Cattle? No, it cannot. Evidently its limbs are ineffective. Also a bull breed has way stronger neck muscles and gripping strength and bones than a plotthound, but it's not needed for a lynx. Not even close to needed. They aren't in the same stratosphere. By the way that video is pretty cool. Seeing plotthounds do that does impress me. When did Boars in Tennessee become pussies? A Bobcat cannot do much to a Cow, but they can still beat the crap out of these dogs since the dog is only limited to using its jaws. I guess it is like how one predator can kill a large herbivore due to certain hunting/killing techniques, but lose to another predator that has far more morphological advantages. "The Bobcat does not having the killing tools" Huh. They are still noted to kill dogs, and the hunter never disputed that the Bobcat would have killed his dog if he had not intervened in time. Oh, I figured out how to post a gif on here, though I am not sure this is the only way on this forum.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 5:14:15 GMT
That is a special plotthound, and indeed it has been said they're quite rough. Equally boars in Tennessee are pussies because Tennessee isn't the badlands and not a harsh environment. Plus that Plotthound was sort of doing a half-assed catch job, but yes it was good and a special lead catch dog. Those other plotthounds were baying. Bobcat dogs bay and are bred to bay, that video means nothing. A plotthound would murder a bobcat, that plotthound came around with some intent and then got surprised. The bobcat does not having the killing tools to kill a plotthound though. Can a bobcat hold onto a formidable ungulate with limited limb usage without getting beaten into a paste? Like a boar? Cattle? No, it cannot. Evidently its limbs are ineffective. Also a bull breed has way stronger neck muscles and gripping strength and bones than a plotthound, but it's not needed for a lynx. Not even close to needed. They aren't in the same stratosphere. By the way that video is pretty cool. Seeing plotthounds do that does impress me. When did Boars in Tennessee become pussies? A Bobcat cannot do much to a Cow, but they can still beat the crap out of these dogs since the dog is only limited to using its jaws. I guess it is like how one predator can kill a large herbivore due to certain hunting/killing techniques, but lose to another predator that has far more morphological advantages. "The Bobcat does not having the killing tools" Huh. They are still noted to kill dogs, and the hunter never disputed that the Bobcat would have killed his dog if he had not intervened in time. Oh, I figured out how to post a gif on here, though I am not sure this is the only way on this forum. Kill what dogs? What dogs do they kill that aren't shih tzus? Also Tennessee boars being pussies is an assumption I made since Tennessee seems to be all fun and games, predator and environment wise. |
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Post by Johnson on Dec 1, 2022 18:27:49 GMT
When did Boars in Tennessee become pussies? A Bobcat cannot do much to a Cow, but they can still beat the crap out of these dogs since the dog is only limited to using its jaws. I guess it is like how one predator can kill a large herbivore due to certain hunting/killing techniques, but lose to another predator that has far more morphological advantages. "The Bobcat does not having the killing tools" Huh. They are still noted to kill dogs, and the hunter never disputed that the Bobcat would have killed his dog if he had not intervened in time. Oh, I figured out how to post a gif on here, though I am not sure this is the only way on this forum. Kill what dogs? What dogs do they kill that aren't shih tzus? Also Tennessee boars being pussies is an assumption I made since Tennessee seems to be all fun and games, predator and environment wise. What about this case?  If a Bobcat can kill a large dog, then I am pretty sure it can kill a comparable sized hound or pitbull. |
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Post by Johnson on Dec 1, 2022 18:32:53 GMT
Bobcat kills Chow.  Looks like the Bobcat or Lynx has the capabilities of killing a similar sized Dog. Since we are talking about the Lynx family, then there are also cases of Lynx killing hunting hounds. |
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