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Post by Musth on May 17, 2023 19:23:27 GMT
http://instagr.am/p/CsU4YgirCjm Look at all the wolf fanboys in the comments…. Only read about two intelligent users that commented. The rest you would think would suck a wolf d**k if given the chance. If wolves are that amazing get wolves and try to breed and domesticate them…(I know this would be extremely difficult probably a very naive thing to say), well I’m being sarcastic. Or at the very last add some wolf and try to breed for a wolf type dog. Honestly if wolves were that good dog fighters from these exotic countries would be seeking them out. But they don’t….. I know a wolf is a wild animal and would probably never reach its max potential in captivity. What pisses me off the most is everyone adds 50-70lbs on a wolfs weight, and if they live in a area where wolves are they say “I’m albertan no dog can kill a wolf” factual great argument. Rant for the day. On a side note. What do you think of Cali Catchers? Any of you follow him? He has some intresting view points. Says no dog can kill a puma. And now apparently a wolf lol. He does has some of the most impressive dogs in the US on his yard though. At least for hunting IMO. |
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Post by Musth on May 17, 2023 19:35:59 GMT
I know of wolf dogs being used for dog fighting by cruel people in China. And they end up getting killed by dogs even by equal sizes. Large wolf hybrids too, being raised to fight other dogs. This wolf always beat up a Tibetan mastiff but ended up being killed by a presa canario. I have heard of them trying to be used and they never make it to the top. But they can and will be decent fighters but they aren’t at the very elite. Also you’re telling me that a 90lbs puma female will beat a 160-180lbs BK or Volkodav….. seems like quite the uphill battle for the cat  . |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 19:49:15 GMT
I know of wolf dogs being used for dog fighting by cruel people in China. And they end up getting killed by dogs even by equal sizes. Large wolf hybrids too, being raised to fight other dogs. This wolf always beat up a Tibetan mastiff but ended up being killed by a presa canario. I have heard of them trying to be used and they never make it to the top. But they can and will be decent fighters but they aren’t at the very elite. Also you’re telling me that a 90lbs puma female will beat a 160-180lbs BK or Volkodav….. seems like quite the uphill battle for the cat . Yes. They will never be at the top or elite, but they are certainly up there. Unlike menvidas I believe the APBT is way overrated. Thats simply because its become so common many of their defenders just become like “this apbt could kill anything!” when yes they are grippers but that doesn’t mean it can defeat everything. I believe an APBT would lose to a gray wolf, where as something like a Kangal or a Bull Arab wouldn’t. Wolves are basically Airedales or Rhodesian Ridgebacks in a lot of ways, throwing in punches when they can and can interact with most animals safely. And being a generalist more than a specialist. I choose the Bull Arab. |
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Post by Musth on May 17, 2023 20:26:41 GMT
I know of wolf dogs being used for dog fighting by cruel people in China. And they end up getting killed by dogs even by equal sizes. Large wolf hybrids too, being raised to fight other dogs. This wolf always beat up a Tibetan mastiff but ended up being killed by a presa canario. I have heard of them trying to be used and they never make it to the top. But they can and will be decent fighters but they aren’t at the very elite. Also you’re telling me that a 90lbs puma female will beat a 160-180lbs BK or Volkodav….. seems like quite the uphill battle for the cat . Yes. They will never be at the top or elite, but they are certainly up there. Unlike menvidas I believe the APBT is way overrated. Thats simply because its become so common many of their defenders just become like “this apbt could kill anything!” when yes they are grippers but that doesn’t mean it can defeat everything. I believe an APBT would lose to a gray wolf, where as something like a Kangal or a Bull Arab wouldn’t. Wolves are basically Airedales or Rhodesian Ridgebacks in a lot of ways, throwing in punches when they can and can interact with most animals safely. And being a generalist more than a specialist. I choose the Bull Arab. Maybe you’re confused I meant Bully kutta in BK not bull Arab. But a Bull Arab of course is definitely capable of taking on a wolf. But I do agree with you. I don’t think apbt are overrated though. However I would pick wolves once they start to reach over 100lbs(more like 115 and above). A bull Arab is a much smaller dog like 80-100lbs average I think. A BK 150lbs average from what I hear. |
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Post by ophio on May 17, 2023 21:15:07 GMT
http://instagr.am/p/CsU4YgirCjm Look at all the wolf fanboys in the comments…. Only read about two intelligent users that commented. The rest you would think would suck a wolf d**k if given the chance. If wolves are that amazing get wolves and try to breed and domesticate them…(I know this would be extremely difficult probably a very naive thing to say), well I’m being sarcastic. Or at the very last add some wolf and try to breed for a wolf type dog. Honestly if wolves were that good dog fighters from these exotic countries would be seeking them out. But they don’t….. I know a wolf is a wild animal and would probably never reach its max potential in captivity. What pisses me off the most is everyone adds 50-70lbs on a wolfs weight, and if they live in a area where wolves are they say “I’m albertan no dog can kill a wolf” factual great argument. Rant for the day. On a side note. What do you think of Cali Catchers? Any of you follow him? He has some intresting view points. Says no dog can kill a puma. And now apparently a wolf lol. He does has some of the most impressive dogs in the US on his yard though. At least for hunting IMO. I mean i like wolves and i like corgis obviously in different ways. I'd pet a corgi and feed it treats but I'd quietly admire a wolf from a distance. Honest question,but are there any dogs that'd beat a 120-140 pound albertan wolf? Afaik 140 pounds isn't uncommon for large Yellowstone wolves who are originally from Alberta. I'd think those wolves would be much more formidable even p4p compared to the small Tibetan wolves used in chinese pitfights who scavenge after leopards and snow leopards |
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Post by Musth on May 17, 2023 22:42:39 GMT
http://instagr.am/p/CsU4YgirCjm Look at all the wolf fanboys in the comments…. Only read about two intelligent users that commented. The rest you would think would suck a wolf d**k if given the chance. If wolves are that amazing get wolves and try to breed and domesticate them…(I know this would be extremely difficult probably a very naive thing to say), well I’m being sarcastic. Or at the very last add some wolf and try to breed for a wolf type dog. Honestly if wolves were that good dog fighters from these exotic countries would be seeking them out. But they don’t….. I know a wolf is a wild animal and would probably never reach its max potential in captivity. What pisses me off the most is everyone adds 50-70lbs on a wolfs weight, and if they live in a area where wolves are they say “I’m albertan no dog can kill a wolf” factual great argument. Rant for the day. On a side note. What do you think of Cali Catchers? Any of you follow him? He has some intresting view points. Says no dog can kill a puma. And now apparently a wolf lol. He does has some of the most impressive dogs in the US on his yard though. At least for hunting IMO. I mean i like wolves and i like corgis obviously in different ways. I'd pet a corgi and feed it treats but I'd quietly admire a wolf from a distance. Honest question,but are there any dogs that'd beat a 120-140 pound albertan wolf? Afaik 140 pounds isn't uncommon for large Yellowstone wolves who are originally from Alberta. I'd think those wolves would be much more formidable even p4p compared to the small Tibetan wolves used in chinese pitfights who scavenge after leopards and snow leopards Source your claims average wolf on Yellowstone is 110lbs. Documented. Alberta is the same. Even at parity though a professional fighting dog is gonna beat the wolf at what it does best, and the only thing it is meant to do. Fighting A wolf is a well rounder. Not a specialist bred to stand toe to toe and fight. www.nps.gov/articles/yellowstone-wolf-facts.htmI will say they might be the ultimate big game hunter. Not sure if there are any dog breeds out there capable of killing bison or moose. I only think a wolf can accomplish this. This hunter and trapper has never caught a 140lbs wolf in alberta years doing so. Top Comment. www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=116994&page=2 But yeah wolves size is exaggerated. At least their weight is. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 17, 2023 23:02:37 GMT
I disagree they're the ultimate big game hunter. In fact they're probably closer to the top at fighting. Wolves target only weakened prey, when you talk about their largest prey animals it's usually individuals they have been assessing for years, waiting until they got weak, and then they weakened it further for months before finally actually engaging. Big game hunting dogs go out of their way to choose the biggest meanest healthiest specimens and take them head on at their most vigorous and bring them to heel. The only caveat is it's rarely their job to kill the prey, but this commited engaging and grappling with extremely healthy and vigorous large dangerous animals in close quarter combat is hugely different and many many levels above what wolves do. A wolf would be broken and destroyed trying to replicate that behaviour. There are also cases of dogs killing large bovines and horses, not many, but some.
You should check out the vindolanda study where it specifically talks about the "boarhound" skeleton having physiological adaptations to make it better at struggling with large prey than a wolf. The gracile bones of the wolf that it needs to cover long distances are hugely detrimental to it's capacity to struggle and collide and endure beatings from large wild beasts, and for this reason it's work around is to avoid struggling with healthy dangerous animals.
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Post by ophio on May 17, 2023 23:05:49 GMT
I mean i like wolves and i like corgis obviously in different ways. I'd pet a corgi and feed it treats but I'd quietly admire a wolf from a distance. Honest question,but are there any dogs that'd beat a 120-140 pound albertan wolf? Afaik 140 pounds isn't uncommon for large Yellowstone wolves who are originally from Alberta. I'd think those wolves would be much more formidable even p4p compared to the small Tibetan wolves used in chinese pitfights who scavenge after leopards and snow leopards Source your claims average wolf on Yellowstone is 110lbs. Documented. Alberta is the same. Even at parity though a professional fighting dog is gonna beat the wolf at what it does best, and the only thing it is meant to do. Fighting A wolf is a well rounder. Not a specialist bred to stand toe to toe and fight. www.nps.gov/articles/yellowstone-wolf-facts.htmI will say they might be the ultimate big game hunter. Not sure if there are any dog breeds out there capable of killing bison or moose. I only think a wolf can accomplish this. This hunter and trapper has never caught a 140lbs wolf in alberta years doing so. Top Comment. www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=116994&page=2 But yeah wolves size is exaggerated. At least their weight is. Yea my bad. I thought 140 pounds would just be an above average wolf and it looks like in Yellowstone only 5 wolves max have reached that number. Most male wolves are probably closer to 120ish. Even in alaska 140 pounds is huge Def possible though www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=503Edit: 110 was the male wolf average for some reason i thought it was the overall average |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 17, 2023 23:08:40 GMT
On Cali catchers, counter intuitively many hunters really enjoy downplaying their dogs and overhyping wild animals. It makes them feel better about what they do, like it's a more noble and brave endeavour. This has always been a real pain in these animal debates because everyone assumes hunters are going to be compelled to lie and hype up their dogs but they really do the opposite. They'll also remember the time a coyote ripped a hole in their dog and they had to go to the vet, and that will be like at the forefront of their mind when they think of coyotes, not the 7000 times their dog unceremoniously slaughtered one easily.
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Post by Hardcastle on May 17, 2023 23:15:54 GMT
Source your claims average wolf on Yellowstone is 110lbs. Documented. Alberta is the same. Even at parity though a professional fighting dog is gonna beat the wolf at what it does best, and the only thing it is meant to do. Fighting A wolf is a well rounder. Not a specialist bred to stand toe to toe and fight. www.nps.gov/articles/yellowstone-wolf-facts.htmI will say they might be the ultimate big game hunter. Not sure if there are any dog breeds out there capable of killing bison or moose. I only think a wolf can accomplish this. This hunter and trapper has never caught a 140lbs wolf in alberta years doing so. Top Comment. www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=116994&page=2 But yeah wolves size is exaggerated. At least their weight is. Yea my bad. I thought 140 pounds would just be an above average wolf and it looks like in Yellowstone only 5 wolves max have reached that number. Most male wolves are probably closer to 120ish. A 140 lbs wolf is equivalent to a naturally 300 lbs lean man. They exist, but they are very rare and not the norm, and this makes all the 220 lbser claims all the more laughable. Even in the largest subspecies (Occidentalis) you get some wolves that are 80 lbs and lots around 95-110. 120 is already pretty huge. If you saw a 120 lbs wolf it would be look insanely massive, like a wolfhound or great Dane, but yes it would weigh about 50 lbs less. |
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Post by ophio on May 17, 2023 23:17:36 GMT
Yea my bad. I thought 140 pounds would just be an above average wolf and it looks like in Yellowstone only 5 wolves max have reached that number. Most male wolves are probably closer to 120ish. A 140 lbs wolf is equivalent to a naturally 300 lbs lean man. They exist, but they are very rare and not the norm, and this makes all the 220 lbser claims all the more laughable. Even in the largest subspecies (Occidentalis) you get some wolves that are 80 lbs and lots around 95-110. 120 is already pretty huge. If you saw a 120 lbs wolf it would be look insanely massive, like a wolfhound or great Dane, but yes it would weigh about 50 lbs less. yea my bad again, i thought 110 was for all wolves. Its only the male wolf average |
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Post by Bolushi on May 18, 2023 3:12:04 GMT
http://instagr.am/p/CsU4YgirCjm Look at all the wolf fanboys in the comments…. Only read about two intelligent users that commented. The rest you would think would suck a wolf d**k if given the chance. If wolves are that amazing get wolves and try to breed and domesticate them…(I know this would be extremely difficult probably a very naive thing to say), well I’m being sarcastic. Or at the very last add some wolf and try to breed for a wolf type dog. Honestly if wolves were that good dog fighters from these exotic countries would be seeking them out. But they don’t….. I know a wolf is a wild animal and would probably never reach its max potential in captivity. What pisses me off the most is everyone adds 50-70lbs on a wolfs weight, and if they live in a area where wolves are they say “I’m albertan no dog can kill a wolf” factual great argument. Rant for the day. On a side note. What do you think of Cali Catchers? Any of you follow him? He has some intresting view points. Says no dog can kill a puma. And now apparently a wolf lol. He does has some of the most impressive dogs in the US on his yard though. At least for hunting IMO. "The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed." Cali Catcher's hunting dogs are alright but Cali Catchers himself is dumb. He literally ONLY hunts coyotes and hogs with the dogos because he doesn't believe they're any good on everything else. Reminds me of the pig doggers I talk to that go "oh yeah, a hog is easy work for a good dog, but a COUGAR? Haha no chance. You're crazy!" |
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Post by Bolushi on May 18, 2023 3:12:59 GMT
I don't know what CCs IG is...
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Post by Musth on May 18, 2023 5:33:09 GMT
I don't know what CCs IG is... It’s Calicatchers that should do it. Honestly he’s got phenomenal dogs but he doesn’t hunt cougar or wolf so he doesn’t have a clue in that regard. He’s just gossiping in something he has zero real experience in. How would he know if he hasn’t done it? For Coon, Boar, and Coyote his dogs are proven all worthy quary IMO. Especially for small to medium sized dogs. |
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Post by ophio on May 18, 2023 12:40:08 GMT
I don't know what CCs IG is... It’s Calicatchers that should do it. Honestly he’s got phenomenal dogs but he doesn’t hunt cougar or wolf so he doesn’t have a clue in that regard. He’s just gossiping in something he has zero real experience in. How would he know if he hasn’t done it? For Coon, Boar, and Coyote his dogs are proven all worthy quary IMO. Especially for small to medium sized dogs. If he is based in california like his username suggests, hunting both wolf and cougar is illegal... |
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