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Post by Bolushi on May 13, 2023 13:47:41 GMT
How many basenjis to take out 1. a jagdterrier 2. a staffy 3. an APBT 4. a dogo 5. a tibetan mastiff 1. 2 2. 4 3. 5 4. 6 5. 1 Was making my own, accidentally deleted it, saw yours and we had a similar train of thought except I said 1 for the Jagd and 5-8 or something like that for the TM, was tempted to go "infinite" depending on the TM we're talking about. However yes in a normal dog fight 1 could beat a TM. |
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Post by ophio on May 13, 2023 14:10:05 GMT
Was making my own, accidentally deleted it, saw yours and we had a similar train of thought except I said 1 for the Jagd and 5-8 or something like that for the TM, was tempted to go "infinite" depending on the TM we're talking about. However yes in a normal dog fight 1 could beat a TM. What makes you favor a basenji over a jagd or vice versa @hardcastle Bolushi i think they get the same sjze |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2023 15:08:20 GMT
How many lings to defeat wyatt 1 |
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Post by Bolushi on May 13, 2023 17:36:34 GMT
Was making my own, accidentally deleted it, saw yours and we had a similar train of thought except I said 1 for the Jagd and 5-8 or something like that for the TM, was tempted to go "infinite" depending on the TM we're talking about. However yes in a normal dog fight 1 could beat a TM. What makes you favor a basenji over a jagd or vice versa @hardcastle Bolushi i think they get the same sjze Well the basenji averages around 10lbs larger from what I've seen. It's also taller for leverage. And the basenji is a pretty tough dog to boot. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on May 13, 2023 18:49:17 GMT
Your cases are still from the 1700s-1800s. Someone referencing it in the 1990s does not validate these cases. There are weird anecdotes about single dogs killing tigers and bear at that time. So there is room for exaggeration. A current study from 2010 referenced a 1998 study for cougar predation on bison. " Bison (Bison bison) numbered 2,000-4,000 but were not cougar prey (Murphy 1998)" Source: Ruth, T. K., Buotte, P. C., & Quigley, H. B. (2010). Comparing ground telemetry and global positioning system methods to determine cougar kill rates. The Journal of Wildlife Management, 74(5), 1122-1133. So official sources confirm there is no case of cougars predating on bison. Not even bison calves. Although a lion or tiger can occasionally take down large wild cattle, these bovines are still a dangerous foe for large predators. There are accounts of cattle goring lions/tigers to death, bisons killing grizzly bears, and even videos of Cape buffalos managing to fend off entire lion prides. This is is why I have skepticism of a cougar taking down a dangerous bovine. It’s 1770 to be specific, and that’s the second case. We don’t know the date of the first case. He didn’t even try to validate them, as a matter of fact, he said “...cannot, of course, be actually proven...”. What he said afterwards is what discredit the notion that the accounts MUST HAVE BEEN MADE UP. What I was saying, and it was originally in response to Bolushi’s post, was that it doesn’t make sense to put the word of someone who simply said they aren’t aware of any case of a cougar killing a full-grown bison, over someone who didn’t just turn up empty-handed saying “I dunno” but actually did research into any relationship between cougars and bison that might have been. This isn’t even talking about the fact that we actually don’t know the credibility or credentials of the person speaking (I’m not saying they’re not credible, just that their credibility is somewhat still in the dark). We don’t know what their name is, we don’t know what their credentials are. Hell, the book isn’t even something devoted to cougars. The person whose book I referenced, I ran down his credentials and the experiences he has. The fact that the book was written closer to this time than the one you referenced tells us that its perspective or view is somewhat “modern.” The author was THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE AMERICAN BISON ASSOCIATION, and both of the books he wrote are each dedicated to one of cougars and bison. He obviously would have thought hard before saying that something “falls within the realm of possibility” and given his experience he has with both animals, clearly what he says ranks above what the VAST majority of people who don’t have any concrete experience with either animal could say. The accounts do not have to be exaggerated, the second one just sounds like that. Just because one account says that a dog killed a tiger doesn’t mean every other old account is a lie. I think I might side with you that accounts of a time like that might have had the tendency to be exaggerated, but it doesn’t mean every last human that existed in the 18th to 19th century would have had the tendency to always exaggerate. Obviously, you don’t think those studies translate to cougars not being strong enough to prey on bison calves. I’m sure you don’t. 1. My point is there is no scientific evidence of cougars even predating on bison. The guy's work work can be scrutinized since he relies on old accounts which have do not have any scientific backup in the present day.He could be an expert on bisons, but not an a researcher who tracks and studies the ecology of cougars or cougar-bison relations. After all, many theories do get challenged if there is new, contradictory evidence. 2. There are people who won't exaggerate tales from that time period. However, these are also the times where you are more likely to find tall tales and dramatized accounts as opposed to the late 20th century or the Internet Age. 3. I never stated that the cougar would be too weak to attack bison calves. I simply posted the data for consistency of attacks. If cougars truly did attack bison in the past, then there should be current records of bison appearing in cougar diet or even an attempted predation on a juvenile bison, or even an adult bison. Since there is no modern evidence, then your accounts should be met with some skepticism. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 14, 2023 1:06:12 GMT
Was making my own, accidentally deleted it, saw yours and we had a similar train of thought except I said 1 for the Jagd and 5-8 or something like that for the TM, was tempted to go "infinite" depending on the TM we're talking about. However yes in a normal dog fight 1 could beat a TM. What makes you favor a basenji over a jagd or vice versa @hardcastle Bolushi i think they get the same sjze I rate the basenji pretty high, but the Jagd is a supercharged little menace that will just never give up or slow down and I think that would give it an edge in the 1 vs 1. The basenji's self-preservation is probably just a little too high for it to throw itself into the fight quite as completely. I think 1 vs 1 is a pretty good fight, but give the jagd a slight edge, and would want 2 basenjis to be sure. |
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Post by Bolushi on May 14, 2023 3:22:18 GMT
What makes you favor a basenji over a jagd or vice versa @hardcastle Bolushi i think they get the same sjze I rate the basenji pretty high, but the Jagd is a supercharged little menace that will just never give up or slow down and I think that would give it an edge in the 1 vs 1. The basenji's self-preservation is probably just a little too high for it to throw itself into the fight quite as completely. I think 1 vs 1 is a pretty good fight, but give the jagd a slight edge, and would want 2 basenjis to be sure. Well I find coyote vs Jagd a tough pick, really tough, and may slightly favor yote (but it's not good enough to not be dragged out by a Jagd, but it's a hazardous animal and they fuck up the smaller Patt. Some terrier men go "wtf? dude you're gonna kill your dog" and they're not always wrong), I have a picture of what seems to be things getting rough with a Jagd on a coyote -  I think it's debatable and a tough matchup, since the coyote is larger. Now the caveat... basenjis have killed coyotes and seem like a tougher prospect who would respond exactly how coyotes do but deadlier since they kill coyotes. A basenji is more robust and powerful than a coyote too. Evidence suggests it has a considerably better bite too. |
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Post by Hardcastle on May 14, 2023 8:34:27 GMT
I rate the basenji pretty high, but the Jagd is a supercharged little menace that will just never give up or slow down and I think that would give it an edge in the 1 vs 1. The basenji's self-preservation is probably just a little too high for it to throw itself into the fight quite as completely. I think 1 vs 1 is a pretty good fight, but give the jagd a slight edge, and would want 2 basenjis to be sure. Well I find coyote vs Jagd a tough pick, really tough, and may slightly favor yote (but it's not good enough to not be dragged out by a Jagd, but it's a hazardous animal and they fuck up the smaller Patt. Some terrier men go "wtf? dude you're gonna kill your dog" and they're not always wrong), I have a picture of what seems to be things getting rough with a Jagd on a coyote - I think it's debatable and a tough matchup, since the coyote is larger. Now the caveat... basenjis have killed coyotes and seem like a tougher prospect who would respond exactly how coyotes do but deadlier since they kill coyotes. A basenji is more robust and powerful than a coyote too. Evidence suggests it has a considerably better bite too. I think those same hunters would tell you a basenji is also doomed against a coyote, probably even more so, but we have pretty clear unbiased incidents where that wasn't the case. I think those hunters would just be like "....oh" when a Jagd killed a coyote, but sometimes they might be proven right as well when a coyote prevailed, and Basenji vs yote would get mixed results also, and for that matter jagd vs basenji would too. But generally Jagd > Basenji > Coyote IMO |
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Post by s on Oct 5, 2023 12:50:29 GMT
How many Dogo Argentinos would it take to beat a Smilodon Populator?
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Post by s on Oct 5, 2023 14:54:21 GMT
I just decided to make this thread because I was bored. It's quite a simple game. You simply ask said question in the title - obviously replacing the underlines with animals. And members would reply. For example, I could ask, "How Many Chimpanzees to Beat a Lion?", and members would reply with how many Chimpanzees they'd think why, and discuss why they chose this number. It took me like 5 seconds to come up with this idea so that's why it sucks but I'll start. Once again, answers can be discussed. How many bobcats would it take to beat a pitbull? 50? I dunno but a ridiculous amount. Assuming each Bobcat is 10kg. 50 Bobcats would be 500kg. At that point the swarm would be strong enough to kill Pantanal Jaguars, and be able to put up a good fight against even larger felines. 50 Bobcats are more than enough to comfortably beat any dog lol. |
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Post by s on Oct 24, 2023 8:56:04 GMT
How about this? How many 16-month-old tigers to beat an adult male BC cougar? Please can Wyatt not answer? Because I wouldn't be surprised if he said one. Two, i believe that 16 month old Bengal/Indochinese/Siberian Tigers (smaller sub-species are probably quite less) weight around 70kg. Very similar to a BC male Puma. Homever i think that a 16 month old Tiger lacks agression and experience, and would be confused and scared when fighting a similar sized predator without it's mother. So i think in a one Vs one the Puma would win. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 24, 2023 12:35:48 GMT
How many Dogo Argentinos would it take to beat a Smilodon Populator? Honestly in all seriousness, I lean towards 6. The number of alaunt gentils to "overmatch" a lion was deemed 4 in the middle ages - linkThis is consistent with the testimony of big game hunter George P Sanderson, who also noted cats require more dogs than bears. (though he was talking about much smaller dogs- specifically 35 lbs bull terriers, but also leopards/panthers rather than lions). With his tiny dogs he describes how 6 are good enough for absolutely any panther, bear or gaur, and he singles out bears as doable with just 2 of these 30 lbs dogs. This admittedly implies a leopard, especially a mature male, is more difficult than a sloth bear. And... I believe it. Even though sloth bear vs leopard is a no brainer (in favour of sloth bear), I do believe a leopard is more problematic for compact gripping dogs. However, that is 30 lbs dogs, and he says 6 because he had six, and they bested leopards. He doesn't necessarily know that's the minimum. And indeed bettered a leopard with 4 of his little dogs- John Caius in the first quote, and it was often repeated in medieval times, was talking about "alaunt gentils". Alaunt gentils were at least 3 times the size of the dogs Sanderson was using in 4s to dominate a leopard. In fact, they were very similar to working dogo argentinos-  If it takes 4X 35 lbs dogs to best a 155 lbs leopard. And 4x 90 lbs dogs to best a 400 lbs lion. then logically one might conclude it would take 8 x 100 lbs dogos to best a 880 lbs S. Populator. I don't think so, I don't think the numbers are about size as much as neutralising weapons. For smilodon populator it may take a couple more dogs to weigh down those monstrous arms, so I am ok with 6 dogos. 3 on each arm. Or 2 on 1, 3 on the other, and 1 seizing the cheek. It is definitely doable and a sober goal for 4-6 good dogs. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 11:58:20 GMT
How many coconut crabs to beat a bison?
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Post by Bolushi on Oct 25, 2023 15:57:07 GMT
How many coconut crabs to beat a bison? 25 They latch on with their claws and just go for a ride until they bulldog the bison down with their weight. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 16:31:51 GMT
How many coconut crabs to beat a bison? 25 They latch on with their claws and just go for a ride until they bulldog the bison down with their weight. I'm tempted to say infinite, unless we airdrop them onto the bison, in which case roughly 500,000 would be needed. |
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