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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 26, 2023 6:19:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 6:20:48 GMT
You will find nothing for cougars besides maybe 10 kills on uniquely especially cowardly docile dairy cows. 10... and 100s of 1000s of cougars coexist with cattle 24/7. No hog kills besides piglets. This isn't the cougar's thread, bad for cougars. Deer, elk, camel, moose, mule, donkey, horse. That's a cougar's thread. Boar and cattle are not.
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 26, 2023 6:24:55 GMT
You will find nothing for cougars besides maybe 10 kills on uniquely especially cowardly docile dairy cows. 10... and 100s of 1000s of cougars coexist with cattle 24/7. No hog kills besides piglets. This isn't the cougar's thread, bad for cougars. Deer, elk, camel, moose, mule, donkey, horse. That's a cougar's thread. Boar and cattle are not. To be fair, that can all be the leopard's thread. In fact, the only animal that the leopard does not encounter is the moose. The camel is killed by the leopard while cougars attack guanaco. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 6:27:49 GMT
You will find nothing for cougars besides maybe 10 kills on uniquely especially cowardly docile dairy cows. 10... and 100s of 1000s of cougars coexist with cattle 24/7. No hog kills besides piglets. This isn't the cougar's thread, bad for cougars. Deer, elk, camel, moose, mule, donkey, horse. That's a cougar's thread. Boar and cattle are not. To be fair, that can all be the leopard's thread. In fact, the only animal that the leopard does not encounter is the moose. The camel is killed by the leopard while cougars attack guanaco. Do you think kudu are comparable to moose? |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 26, 2023 6:32:20 GMT
To be fair, that can all be the leopard's thread. In fact, the only animal that the leopard does not encounter is the moose. The camel is killed by the leopard while cougars attack guanaco. Do you think kudu are comparable to moose? IDK. Depends on the moose subspecies. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 6:57:09 GMT
Do you think kudu are comparable to moose? IDK. Depends on the moose subspecies. I didn't know there were moose subspecies. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 8:10:52 GMT
IDK. Depends on the moose subspecies. I didn't know there were moose subspecies. Typo for "subpopulation"? |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 26, 2023 8:24:53 GMT
I didn't know there were moose subspecies. Typo for "subpopulation"? There does appear to be different subspecies listed on wikipedia. Just like how there are different subspecies of elks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 9:29:50 GMT
Typo for "subpopulation"? There does appear to be different subspecies listed on wikipedia. Just like how there are different subspecies of elks. You appear to be 100% correct. Moose is a species of deer with several subspecies, just as tiger is a species with subspecies such as Bengal, Siberian or Sumatran tiger. Even among the lions of Africa are they distinguishing lion subspecies, basically lions of Western and Eastern Africa are two different lion subspecies. I'd have assumed all African lions are divided into subpopulations only, however there's also a subspecies level to them. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 26, 2023 19:28:05 GMT
@ajay
Let's get back on topic.
Do mountain lions avoid cattle, let alone adults?
If so, are there any studies?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 20:42:00 GMT
www.humanesociety.org/sites/default/files/docs/Cougar-Livestock-6.Mar_.19-Final.pdfSays here cougars take some but not a lot of cattle and that the USDA has very inflated figures on how many cougar take cattle, that their numbers come from cattle owner reports and aren't verified. The numbers of cougar reported to predate on cattle from 4 state departments that verify reports have signficantly lower numbers than those from the USDA. Unfortunately the above PDF provides the USDA's inflated numbers. (The USDA even has figures based on cattle owner reports for grizzly bear predation in states where grizzly bear doesn't even exist.) However even the USDA's inflated numbers are still quite low for cougar predation on cattle, and with cattle losses from some other predators being a lot higher than for cougar. Cougar take more sheep than cattle due to sheep bodysize as well as weaker defensive strategy, although sheep losses to cougar are still relatively small. Cougar are found in 16 US states and the inflated USDA numbers report approx. 13,000 cattle kills by cougar in 2015 out of a total 280,000 losses by predators. If this is the significantly inflated number then it's really far less, plus there is no distinction between the taking of calves and adult cattle so I suppose it has to be assumed 99% are calves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 20:57:14 GMT
So how many cattle are there? Would be great to gage cattle mortality rates which I know for a fact will be monumentally low.
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 26, 2023 20:57:19 GMT
www.humanesociety.org/sites/default/files/docs/Cougar-Livestock-6.Mar_.19-Final.pdfSays here cougars take some but not a lot of cattle and that the USDA has very inflated figures on how many cougar take cattle, that their numbers come from cattle owner reports and aren't verified. The numbers of cougar reported to predate on cattle from 4 state departments that verify reports have signficantly lower numbers than those from the USDA. Unfortunately the above PDF provides the USDA's inflated numbers. (The USDA even has figures based on cattle owner reports for grizzly bear predation in states where grizzly bear doesn't even exist.) However even the USDA's inflated numbers are still quite low for cougar predation on cattle, and with cattle losses from some other predators being a lot higher than for cougar. Cougar take more sheep than cattle due to sheep bodysize as well as weaker defensive strategy, although sheep losses to cougar are still relatively small. Cougar are found in 16 US states and the inflated USDA numbers report approx. 13,000 cattle kills by cougar in 2015 out of a total 280,000 losses by predators. If this is the significantly inflated number then it's really far less, plus there is no distinction between the taking of calves and adult cattle so I suppose it has to be assumed 99% are calves. So it seems there is not much evidence of cougars going for adults. Is this a confirmed kill or scavenged? www.reddit.com/r/Pumaconcolor/comments/m0olgk/cougar_with_cattle_kill_in_new_mexico/ |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 20:58:13 GMT
www.humanesociety.org/sites/default/files/docs/Cougar-Livestock-6.Mar_.19-Final.pdfSays here cougars take some but not a lot of cattle and that the USDA has very inflated figures on how many cougar take cattle, that their numbers come from cattle owner reports and aren't verified. The numbers of cougar reported to predate on cattle from 4 state departments that verify reports have signficantly lower numbers than those from the USDA. Unfortunately the above PDF provides the USDA's inflated numbers. (The USDA even has figures based on cattle owner reports for grizzly bear predation in states where grizzly bear doesn't even exist.) However even the USDA's inflated numbers are still quite low for cougar predation on cattle, and with cattle losses from some other predators being a lot higher than for cougar. Cougar take more sheep than cattle due to sheep bodysize as well as weaker defensive strategy, although sheep losses to cougar are still relatively small. Cougar are found in 16 US states and the inflated USDA numbers report approx. 13,000 cattle kills by cougar in 2015 out of a total 280,000 losses by predators. If this is the significantly inflated number then it's really far less, plus there is no distinction between the taking of calves and adult cattle so I suppose it has to be assumed 99% are calves. So it seems there is not much evidence of cougars going for adults. Is this a confirmed kill or scavenged? www.reddit.com/r/Pumaconcolor/comments/m0olgk/cougar_with_cattle_kill_in_new_mexico/According to Andrea Vitanza/Menvidas/Andres/JokerAndrew (you know that guy right?) it is, and a hunter killed the cougar later. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 21:03:38 GMT
So how many cattle are there? Would be great to gage cattle mortality rates which I know for a fact will be monumentally low. 112 million. |
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