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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 21:59:59 GMT
First two that comes to mind are snakes and humans.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 22:06:39 GMT
Which dog? Herders and curs will find a way with practically anything. Porcupine, snake, monkey... the latter would piece up a gripping dog pretty bad. Some sighthounds are good enough to cheat those animals out but most are dumb. There's a good few Boergreyhounds that can do it, collie lurchers too.
Dogs have a bad time with humans overall.
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 15, 2023 5:09:52 GMT
First two that comes to mind are snakes and humans. Terriers and heelers have a wonderful time with snakes, gripping dogs tend to be at risk of having a bad time. Humans yeah, almost require two dogs to combat their mischievous prying hands. To an extent primates in general are problematic. Dogs don't mix well with crocodilians as a rule. Cat fans love to talk about the numbers leopards are putting in on street dogs and I guess it's worth acknowledging. They're kind of "easy prey" as long as they don't, you know, wake up. |
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Post by pat on Feb 21, 2023 22:28:52 GMT
Where i live, Raccoons and Coyotes mostly. Dogs do pretty well against rattlesnakes provided they can detect them and bobcats stick to smaller prey although they'd absolutely take a toy dog. Never seen it, but they are absolutely vicious when murdering chickens and you need an expensive setup to stop them. (They can jump 6+ feet easy) Raccoons are tough for any dog if they catch them in water and they broke two legs from my friend's dog. Coyotes can be a threat to smaller dogs but usually play nice with dogs retriever size or larger. I've heard that groups of coyotes may gang up on a larger dog but I've never seen that from my personal experience. I've also heard of larger dogs running wild alongside coyotes but I assume this is also rare. Outside of that probably cougars, wolves, and black bears would probably take any house dog, but I really don't have personal experience with any of them.
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Post by pat on Feb 21, 2023 22:29:54 GMT
I've seen a great horned owl spook a chihuahua before but thankfully nobody was hurt. Frankly the owl might have been more shaken than the chihuahua. Both animals are vicious!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 22:35:37 GMT
Where i live, Raccoons and Coyotes mostly. Dogs do pretty well against rattlesnakes provided they can detect them and bobcats stick to smaller prey although they'd absolutely take a toy dog. Never seen it, but they are absolutely vicious when murdering chickens and you need an expensive setup to stop them. (They can jump 6+ feet easy) Raccoons are tough for any dog if they catch them in water and they broke two legs from my friend's dog. Coyotes can be a threat to smaller dogs but usually play nice with dogs retriever size or larger. I've heard that groups of coyotes may gang up on a larger dog but I've never seen that from my personal experience. I've also heard of larger dogs running wild alongside coyotes but I assume this is also rare. Outside of that probably cougars, wolves, and black bears would probably take any house dog, but I really don't have personal experience with any of them. A raccoon ripped off the head of one of my grandma's chickens. Little fuckers. Hopefully one day it's stupid enough to jump into the bloodhound pen. One day hopefully they'll fix their fence and I can persuade them to let the dogs roam around the yard and protect their chickens. Yeah coyotes ganging up on larger dogs I chalk up to myths. Maybe a pair could nail a house pet golden retriever or something but I struggle to see why even 10 of them (they don't even get in packs hardly, so 10 is fiction) would try their luck with a larger dog that is down to fight. |
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Post by nz on Feb 21, 2023 22:47:43 GMT
Where i live, Raccoons and Coyotes mostly. Dogs do pretty well against rattlesnakes provided they can detect them and bobcats stick to smaller prey although they'd absolutely take a toy dog. Never seen it, but they are absolutely vicious when murdering chickens and you need an expensive setup to stop them. (They can jump 6+ feet easy) Raccoons are tough for any dog if they catch them in water and they broke two legs from my friend's dog. Coyotes can be a threat to smaller dogs but usually play nice with dogs retriever size or larger. I've heard that groups of coyotes may gang up on a larger dog but I've never seen that from my personal experience. I've also heard of larger dogs running wild alongside coyotes but I assume this is also rare. Outside of that probably cougars, wolves, and black bears would probably take any house dog, but I really don't have personal experience with any of them. A raccoon ripped off the head of one of my grandma's chickens. Little fuckers. Hopefully one day it's stupid enough to jump into the bloodhound pen. One day hopefully they'll fix their fence and I can persuade them to let the dogs roam around the yard and protect their chickens. Yeah coyotes ganging up on larger dogs I chalk up to myths. Maybe a pair could nail a house pet golden retriever or something but I struggle to see why even 10 of them (they don't even get in packs hardly, so 10 is fiction) would try their luck with a larger dog that is down to fight. Yea raccoons are vicious but smart asf. Takes skill to open doors and trash cans. Ive seen them scare off more "impressive" predators like bobcats and coyotes when they are all of overlapping size. A fence really is a good investment. Last time, a bobcat jumped on top of the roof (6-7 feet) and got in. We fixed it but it cost a lot. Im surprised the dogs don't attack the chickens though |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 22:51:20 GMT
A raccoon ripped off the head of one of my grandma's chickens. Little fuckers. Hopefully one day it's stupid enough to jump into the bloodhound pen. One day hopefully they'll fix their fence and I can persuade them to let the dogs roam around the yard and protect their chickens. Yeah coyotes ganging up on larger dogs I chalk up to myths. Maybe a pair could nail a house pet golden retriever or something but I struggle to see why even 10 of them (they don't even get in packs hardly, so 10 is fiction) would try their luck with a larger dog that is down to fight. Yea raccoons are vicious but smart asf. Takes skill to open doors and trash cans. Ive seen them scare off more "impressive" predators like bobcats and coyotes when they are all of overlapping size. A fence really is a good investment. Last time, a bobcat jumped on top of the roof (6-7 feet) and got in. We fixed it but it cost a lot. Im surprised the dogs don't attack the chickens though Well, the chickens have a coop they live in. And when we're there the dogs are fine with the chickens. I don't think they would kill the chickens but they can't get to them in the first place. The fence has yet to be fixed from the October hurricane ian. So the dogs have had a little zoo enclosure to live in. Tourists from all around the world come to visit their exhibit. When they had free roam of the yard they've already nailed one raccoon 2 years ago or so. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 22, 2023 0:00:02 GMT
Coyotes are experts at detecting weakness. The stories of them messing up big dogs can be true but you just know THAT individual big dog was a big wuss and the coyotes masterfully sensed that before attacking. It's the only reason they attacked. They don't willingly get in scuffles with dogs who even MIGHT give them trouble. They can read the body language from a mile off, better than we can. If a coyote initiates a fight with a dog that dog is a total pussy, regardless of size or breed. Where coyotes might occassionally come undone is attacking a wuss dog not realising a non-wuss dog lives in the same yard, that has happened before. Also just being run down by a dog that is fast enough to catch them even despite a big head start. Apart from that they don't get caught out much, they're very cunning, "wiley" you even could say. Not prone to making dumb mistakes.
This applies to a lot of wild predators who "pad their records" by only ever targetting wuss dogs or highly compromised dogs with very shrewd judgement (and their typical prey, for that matter). Like "I seen lynx injure a pitbull once", never questioning "well... why? Why did that happen that one weird time and not all the other times a pitbull was wandering around? Why would a lynx 999 999 times out of a million run in abject terror from the sight of a pitbull? And then one time randomly decide to throw down?". It's not random. The lynx picked it's mark in that instance, noticed that particular dog was a naive vulnerable goof that could be exploited. Normally of course they would give pitbulls a monumentally wide berth, and for good reason.
So you end up getting these very skewed results and "padded stats" for wild predators, and I have argued in the past that is why you MUST count a forfeit as a loss. There's a reason the history of sport has always done that. Because otherwise you end up with the perception that a spineless predatory coward is an immortal badass, and this is basically exactly what we see with most fans of wild predators.
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 22, 2023 6:37:17 GMT
About any predator.  source: Butler, James RA, John DC Linnell, Damian Morrant, Vidya Athreya, Nicolas Lescureux, and Adam McKeown. "Dog eat dog, cat eat dog: social-ecological dimensions of dog predation by wild carnivores." Free-ranging dogs and wildlife conservation (2014): 117-143. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 22, 2023 8:05:44 GMT
Outside of that probably cougars, wolves, and black bears would probably take any house dog, but I really don't have personal experience with any of them. I'd say bears actually do surprisingly badly with dogs, or don't really give them problems, by and large. You'd expect them to be a big problem, a bigger problem than wolves and mountain lions, but that just isn't the case. If humans are a bogey opponent for dogs, bears are the opposite, or dogs are almost a bogey opponent for bears. Don't kill them or anything just give them a lot of trouble and are rarely in danger interacting with them. This goes for close-quarter bulldog types and also curs and hounds and spitz breeds. Even little terriers.          Not trying to knock bears, they're the kings of the carnivora order as far as I'm concerned but they just really do seem to find dogs tricky. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 16:42:51 GMT
Outside of that probably cougars, wolves, and black bears would probably take any house dog, but I really don't have personal experience with any of them. I'd say bears actually do surprisingly badly with dogs, or don't really give them problems, by and large. You'd expect them to be a big problem, a bigger problem than wolves and mountain lions, but that just isn't the case. If humans are a bogey opponent for dogs, bears are the opposite, or dogs are almost a bogey opponent for bears. Don't kill them or anything just give them a lot of trouble and are rarely in danger interacting with them. This goes for close-quarter bulldog types and also curs and hounds and spitz breeds. Even little terriers. Not trying to knock bears, they're the kings of the carnivora order as far as I'm concerned but they just really do seem to find dogs tricky. I think its just because of how the dogs do. To them, they are just weird, fearless and domesticated versions of wolves. Which is what they are but besides the point. Like those video of the lone dogs taking on a bear, they don’t just go up to the bear and start attacking as the bear knows that he can easily overpower the dog and kill it very easily. Thats why lone dogs approach it as a rough cur. As for packs of dogs, the bear knows it has lost its advantage and all it can really do is attempt to swipe its paw and attempt to bite. Many times, like in the Karelian Bear Dog program, the bears will also flee from the packs of Karelian Bear Dogs. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 22, 2023 19:50:43 GMT
I'd just disagree with "kill easily", I don't think bears kill anything easily. Decisive quick killing is not their strength. The dog is then almost too small and squirrelly to not squirm free during their slow indecisive mauling, at which point it continues its own assault. The bear then starts losing faith in its ability to control the situation and gets into a fleeing state of mind. That's a bulldog that kind of presents itself to be mauled. With curs and bear dogs and etc they don't even let the bear get a maul in, too evasive and quick to be caught at all.
I've read before that in bear baits the bear was often tethered not to save the dogs, but to make it fight. If it was loose it would typically be fleeing around the enclosure. Tied up it resigns to it's fate and puts on the show they want by just fighting.
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Post by CoolJohnson on Feb 22, 2023 20:06:35 GMT
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Post by lincoln on Feb 22, 2023 20:26:52 GMT
You posting this is anti bear evidence if anything, a bear wasn’t able to kill pet bull breed mixes |
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