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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 17:49:00 GMT
Herding dogs would be my guess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 0:31:17 GMT
Generally I'd say
Gray Wolf
Coyote/Pastoral Herder
Continental Herder
Livestock Guardian Dog
Those are top 5, felt like wild canids should be included too. Wolf lifestyle is complex and requires a bit more intelligence than other canids, though it's kind of up for debate.
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 11, 2023 0:54:42 GMT
Like humans there are different kinds of intelligence, but generally speaking I'd definitely say it's a battle between british origin herding dogs (specifically collies/kelpies/heelers) and wild/primitive/pariah/spitz. As a dog owner the former group FEEL much more intelligent, the latter feel frustratingly stupid, but that doesn't mean they are. Continental herders (GSDS, Dutchies, mals, etc) kind of place somewhere between these two. Then I'd say terriers and LGDs are probably next.
Sighthounds and bullbreeds, my two favourites, have very little going on upstairs but they mean well, aim to please and are good at what they do. Also, extremely noble in character and brave. I'm smart enough for both of us so I don't need that from a dog.
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Post by lincoln on Feb 11, 2023 1:32:27 GMT
Generally I'd say Gray Wolf Coyote/Pastoral Herder Continental Herder Livestock Guardian Dog Those are top 5, felt like wild canids should be included too. Wolf lifestyle is complex and requires a bit more intelligence than other canids, though it's kind of up for debate. While I do think wolves are very intelligent, I don’t agree with those wolf fans who say wolves are infinitely more intelligent the any canine. I’m not saying that what you said, it’s just something I’m tired of wolf fans saying |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 11, 2023 1:41:31 GMT
Generally I'd say Gray Wolf Coyote/Pastoral Herder Continental Herder Livestock Guardian Dog Those are top 5, felt like wild canids should be included too. Wolf lifestyle is complex and requires a bit more intelligence than other canids, though it's kind of up for debate. While I do think wolves are very intelligent, I don’t agree with those wolf fans who say wolves are infinitely more intelligent the any canine. I’m not saying that what you said, it’s just something I’m tired of wolf fans saying It's connected to the myth about wolves having huge skulls, and it all stems from them being so light. Their skull is way bigger than a dog their weight, and their brain is a lot bigger than a dog their weight. Impressive sounding, and a fact. BUT their skull is exactly the same size as a dog their height, and their brain is exactly the same size as a dog their height. It all just comes back to them being weirdly extremely light. So much of the wolf's perceived superiority comes from that fact and "lbs for lbs" comparisons. |
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Post by lincoln on Feb 11, 2023 2:07:38 GMT
While I do think wolves are very intelligent, I don’t agree with those wolf fans who say wolves are infinitely more intelligent the any canine. I’m not saying that what you said, it’s just something I’m tired of wolf fans saying It's connected to the myth about wolves having huge skulls, and it all stems from them being so light. Their skull is way bigger than a dog their weight, and their brain is a lot bigger than a dog their weight. Impressive sounding, and a fact. BUT their skull is exactly the same size as a dog their height, and their brain is exactly the same size as a dog their height. It all just comes back to them being weirdly extremely light. So much of the wolf's perceived superiority comes from that fact and "lbs for lbs" comparisons. I don’t see why more people don’t know this, has seriously no one ever even thought to compare the bones, skulls (other then equal weight size), build etc? |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 11, 2023 2:39:41 GMT
It's connected to the myth about wolves having huge skulls, and it all stems from them being so light. Their skull is way bigger than a dog their weight, and their brain is a lot bigger than a dog their weight. Impressive sounding, and a fact. BUT their skull is exactly the same size as a dog their height, and their brain is exactly the same size as a dog their height. It all just comes back to them being weirdly extremely light. So much of the wolf's perceived superiority comes from that fact and "lbs for lbs" comparisons. I don’t see why more people don’t know this, has seriously no one ever even thought to compare the bones, skulls (other then equal weight size), build etc? I literally discovered it myself. For years everyone was just "lbs for lbs" and paying it no further mind. Including scientists like Dr Ray Coppinger. They were assuming (or implying deceitfully) that wolves were walking around with disproportionately huge skulls and huge brains. I'd see the photos of wolves and be like "but their heads don't look that big??". Later on I realised wolves weigh about 110 lbs when they are the height and length of a 180 lbs dog, and it all started making sense. |
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