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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 20:15:23 GMT
What is the largest animal that a trained heavyweight boxer like mike tyson or deontay wilder could knock out. I'd think it might be pretty high. For example a leopard is only 150 pounds compared to a 215 pound boxer, even though it might have a more robust skull, knockouts occur because of the brain rattling in the skull rather than skeletal damage so it might be possible. I honestly think a 200+ pound boxer like jake paul can knock out a pit bull if he hit in the right area. Issue is the dog is low to the ground such that a boxer cannot get in the proper stance to launch such a punch.
In addition, bears might have adopted a rather harmless fighting style with each other because they are fully capable of knocking each other out with a well placed paw swipe to the temple or chin. Might explain why bear 747 isn't bullied by other bears despite being rather obese late summer, they don't want to deal with his chunky power.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 23:40:28 GMT
I think these smaller-brained animals are a lot harder to knock out than humans due to the size of the brain combined with robusticity of the skull. This is all guesswork but I'm gonna say all chimps could be knocked out with a sucker punch from a heavy hitter. Female gorilla at 200 lbs, maybe. Silverback is going too far.
Dogs and cats have hard heads, the more gracile medium dogs I'll say could be knocked out, but not medium bulldogs, there's examples of bulldogs taking skull beatings that a man wouldn't. Cats too can take a skull beating without being knocked out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 2:47:57 GMT
I think these smaller-brained animals are a lot harder to knock out than humans due to the size of the brain combined with robusticity of the skull. This is all guesswork but I'm gonna say all chimps could be knocked out with a sucker punch from a heavy hitter. Female gorilla at 200 lbs, maybe. Silverback is going too far. Dogs and cats have hard heads, the more gracile medium dogs I'll say could be knocked out, but not medium bulldogs, there's examples of bulldogs taking skull beatings that a man wouldn't. Cats too can take a skull beating without being knocked out. except knockouts don't happen due to damage to the skull, the punch force moves the entire head and the force of the head movement rattles the brain against the skull causing it to shut down. Instead of the skull, it is the neck muscles that would protect against a knockout. Hence why placement matters more than force when trying to knock someone out. An uppercut to the chin, or a swinging left to the jaw or temple would be much more effective than a baseball bat to the forehead because it jerks the head more. Humans do not have the leverage to knock out a dog with their body plan but if they could get the right timing in, I wouldn't be surprised if its possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 3:05:07 GMT
I think these smaller-brained animals are a lot harder to knock out than humans due to the size of the brain combined with robusticity of the skull. This is all guesswork but I'm gonna say all chimps could be knocked out with a sucker punch from a heavy hitter. Female gorilla at 200 lbs, maybe. Silverback is going too far. Dogs and cats have hard heads, the more gracile medium dogs I'll say could be knocked out, but not medium bulldogs, there's examples of bulldogs taking skull beatings that a man wouldn't. Cats too can take a skull beating without being knocked out. except knockouts don't happen due to damage to the skull, the punch force moves the entire head and the force of the head movement rattles the brain against the skull causing it to shut down. Instead of the skull, it is the neck muscles that would protect against a knockout. Hence why placement matters more than force when trying to knock someone out. An uppercut to the chin, or a swinging left to the jaw or temple would be much more effective than a baseball bat to the forehead because it jerks the head more. Humans do not have the leverage to knock out a dog with their body plan but if they could get the right timing in, I wouldn't be surprised if its possible. Yeah I do know the mechanism for knockout is the brain smacking the inside of the skull, but point taken on the best ways for achieving that which I was pretty backward on in my post. I agree it would be hard to knockout a dog, I know a couple accounts of folks punching medium pitbulls in the head and they take it better than humans do. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 3:06:06 GMT
except knockouts don't happen due to damage to the skull, the punch force moves the entire head and the force of the head movement rattles the brain against the skull causing it to shut down. Instead of the skull, it is the neck muscles that would protect against a knockout. Hence why placement matters more than force when trying to knock someone out. An uppercut to the chin, or a swinging left to the jaw or temple would be much more effective than a baseball bat to the forehead because it jerks the head more. Humans do not have the leverage to knock out a dog with their body plan but if they could get the right timing in, I wouldn't be surprised if its possible. Yeah I do know the mechanism for knockout is the brain smacking the inside of the skull, but point taken on the best ways for achieving that which I was pretty backward on in my post. I agree it would be hard to knockout a dog, I know a couple accounts of folks punching medium pitbulls in the head and they take it better than humans do. true, pitbulls have crazy necks and relatively lighter heads so less force from the whiplash |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 3:13:51 GMT
Yeah I do know the mechanism for knockout is the brain smacking the inside of the skull, but point taken on the best ways for achieving that which I was pretty backward on in my post. I agree it would be hard to knockout a dog, I know a couple accounts of folks punching medium pitbulls in the head and they take it better than humans do. true, pitbulls have crazy necks and relatively lighter heads so less force from the whiplash You're a good analyser. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 3:29:38 GMT
true, pitbulls have crazy necks and relatively lighter heads so less force from the whiplash You're a good analyser. Thanks. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Feb 8, 2023 4:18:55 GMT
Pitbulls that are tense and in attack mode have been hit on the head with full on metal bars and baseball bats with no visible effect whatsoever, they are also SUPPOSED to get kicked in the head by horses and bulls and etc and not be phased. So yeah, the small brain buried deep in the robust skull, and the neck muscles all clearly contribute to making a pitbull's brain just no where near as vulnerable to blunt force trauma as ours are. And frankly NOTHING is so susceptible to "KOs" as humans are, they aren't a common thing elsewhere in the animal kingdom. That's the trade off for an enormous brain, it's a weirdly vulnerable organ on humans in particular. We intuitively shy away from blows to the head and cringe over the thought of them but to a dog it's no different to being hit anywhere else, probably preferable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 4:24:51 GMT
Pitbulls that are tense and in attack mode have been hit on the head with full on metal bars and baseball bats with no visible effect whatsoever, they are also SUPPOSED to get kicked in the head by horses and bulls and etc and not be phased. So yeah, the small brain buried deep in the robust skull, and the neck muscles all clearly contribute to making a pitbull's brain just no where near as vulnerable to blunt force trauma as ours are. And frankly NOTHING is so susceptible to "KOs" as humans are, they aren't a common thing elsewhere in the animal kingdom. That's the trade off for an enormous brain, it's a weirdly vulnerable organ on humans in particular. We intuitively shy away from blows to the head and cringe over the thought of them but to a dog it's no different to being hit anywhere else, probably preferable. kinda what inspired this thread. Turns out headbutting bovines suffer from cte but they don't really need big brains. Totally forgot how freakishly large human brains are. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 4:51:38 GMT
Pitbulls that are tense and in attack mode have been hit on the head with full on metal bars and baseball bats with no visible effect whatsoever, they are also SUPPOSED to get kicked in the head by horses and bulls and etc and not be phased. So yeah, the small brain buried deep in the robust skull, and the neck muscles all clearly contribute to making a pitbull's brain just no where near as vulnerable to blunt force trauma as ours are. And frankly NOTHING is so susceptible to "KOs" as humans are, they aren't a common thing elsewhere in the animal kingdom. That's the trade off for an enormous brain, it's a weirdly vulnerable organ on humans in particular. We intuitively shy away from blows to the head and cringe over the thought of them but to a dog it's no different to being hit anywhere else, probably preferable. kinda what inspired this thread. Turns out headbutting bovines suffer from cte but they don't really need big brains. Totally forgot how freakishly large human brains are. Not totally sure if this relates to knockout susceptability but one thing I learnt was that humans don't even have the biggest brain-to-body mass ratio in the animal kindgom. We are right up there but there are animals way less intelligent than us that have higher brain-to-body mass ratio. My education on this is very basic but what I think sets us apart is the amount of cc's of our higher brain. Like you get an elephant that has way more brain cc's than humans, but we actually have way more cc's of higher (front?) brain than that elephant. The shrew has the biggest brain-to-body mass ratio of all animals at 1:10. The sperm whale has the biggest brain mass in absolute terms. |
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