Also that looked like a domestic Water Buffalo, seems to have a muzzle on the mouth and white legs lol (domesticated Buffalo is distinguished from wild ones by having White legs) all evidence pointing to that being a premeditated encounter by the owner of both the Buffalo and the Dogos to train the Dogos. He picked a really favourable terrain for the Dogos too which only strenghtens this theory. Either way a Domestic Water Buffalo is still very dangerous and could cause heavy damage. Very imprudent on the owner's part to train them like that. Feeling bad for the poor Buffalo being mistreated like that by his own owner as well.
Against Wild Water Buffaloes it goes something like this. They see it as too irrelevant to care about. Just like me or you would react to an agressive rabbit or something.
Here is a fight between a domestic Bull (that doesn't look that big, around 600kg i guess) and 2 Dogs that goes far less favourably for them than you would expect. Im not denying Bulls can't be subjugated, im disputing that it's as inevitable as the sun rising in the morning.
How is lacking a functioning nerve system or preservation instinct a good thing lol? A wild Predator would have withdrawed and stopped the attack against the Hog after it quite literally tore it's insides open, homever the Pit, lacking preservation instinct charged again, with predictable result
Pretty bad example because it did withdraw and didn't charge again? And that's because its a pet and a cull. A pussy almost to the level of a wild predator.
I like how you've been whittled all the way down to not even including what I said in the quote. That's more honest I guess, just fully admitting you can't counter my arguments.
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Notice how it got monstered so much harder and so much more quickly than the charolais? That's because the charaolais is far more difficult.
Keep bragging about the Water Buffalo falling down a cliff (that wasn't the Dogos doing)
Even Dingoes hunt Buffalo too in freak cases? According to your logic that must mean they are the best animal fighter in existance or something
Dingoes do kill more impressive animals than leopards and pumas, yes, but what you won't see a dingo do is subdue a beast of the calibre that gripping dogs can.
Also that looked like a domestic Water Buffalo, seems to have a muzzle on the mouth and white legs lol (domesticated Buffalo is distinguished from wild ones by having White legs) all evidence pointing to that being a premeditated encounter by the owner of both the Buffalo and the Dogos to train the Dogos. He picked a really favourable terrain for the Dogos too which only strenghtens this theory. Either way a Domestic Water Buffalo is still very dangerous and could cause heavy damage. Very imprudent on the owner's part to train them like that. Feeling bad for the poor Buffalo being mistreated like that by his own owner as well.
It was a domestic buffalo, a spazzing domestic buffalo being subjugated and restrained so it can be put back to work. IE one of the main applications of gripping dogs. Taking the fight out of unruly dangerous animals, whether wild or domestic. In fact dogs MADE domestic animals by doing this to wild animals.
Now humans can apparently control the shape of the terrain as well, like reality is minecraft, lol. This nerd is unbelievably out of touch with reality and it shines through in everything you say. The terrain is the terrain. The buffalo tried to use the terrain to escape the dogs, and it didn't work. It was subdued and defeated, which wild predators are also free to try and do, but they can't.
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Against Wild Water Buffaloes it goes something like this. They see it as too irrelevant to care about. Just like me or you would react to an agressive rabbit or something.
How dumb do you have to be to think you can walk up to wild buffalos like that?
Here is a fight between a domestic Bull (that doesn't look that big, around 600kg i guess) and 2 Dogs that goes far less favourably for them than you would expect. Im not denying Bulls can't be subjugated, im disputing that it's as inevitable as the sun rising in the morning.
And no one ever said it is. You are master of the strawman argument, attacking an argument no one made. That's literally all you can do. You are more defeated than the petbull with no intestines, and your attack is just as limp and ineffective. Shit nothing dogs, like those, who clearly have no idea what they are doing, obviously can lose. I'll do you one better- real ones can too. Good ones can also lose. That fact is required for the successful bulldogs to be a special impressive thing. We wouldn't even be fans of them if it was easy, the fact it is hard is why its good. Its so hard in fact, that wild predators mostly can't do it, and that's the point. Good bulldogs are better at it than wild predators that are 6 times their size. That is why we are excited about bulldogs.
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How is lacking a functioning nerve system or preservation instinct a good thing lol? A wild Predator would have withdrawed and stopped the attack against the Hog after it quite literally tore it's insides open, homever the Pit, lacking preservation instinct charged again, with predictable result
Pretty bad example because it did withdraw and didn't charge again? And that's because its a pet and a cull. A pussy almost to the level of a wild predator.
I like how you've been whittled all the way down to not even including what I said in the quote. That's more honest I guess, just fully admitting you can't counter my arguments.
I mean that he charged again after the Hog had literally dragged him with a rope and gored him thrice. Do you think charging again would have been a good idea after his intestines were literally visible, lol?
Also that looked like a domestic Water Buffalo, seems to have a muzzle on the mouth and white legs lol (domesticated Buffalo is distinguished from wild ones by having White legs) all evidence pointing to that being a premeditated encounter by the owner of both the Buffalo and the Dogos to train the Dogos. He picked a really favourable terrain for the Dogos too which only strenghtens this theory. Either way a Domestic Water Buffalo is still very dangerous and could cause heavy damage. Very imprudent on the owner's part to train them like that. Feeling bad for the poor Buffalo being mistreated like that by his own owner as well.
It was a domestic buffalo, a spazzing domestic buffalo being subjugated and restrained so it can be put back to work. IE one of the main applications of gripping dogs. Taking the fight out of unruly dangerous animals, whether wild or domestic. In fact dogs MADE domestic animals by doing this to wild animals.
Now humans can apparently control the shape of the terrain as well, like reality is minecraft, lol. This nerd is unbelievably out of touch with reality and it shines through in everything you say. The terrain is the terrain. The buffalo tried to use the terrain to escape the dogs, and it didn't work. It was subdued and defeated, which wild predators are also free to try and do, but they can't.
Two things
1 - do you think the Human couldn't pick a favourable terrain to engage the Buffalo, such as a cliff where he could be easily thrown off? So yes, humans can control the terrain the fight happens 2 - We don't know for sure how the fight ended, video cut short
It is expected of bulldogs and they get culled if they don't. So yes it would be a good idea. The same way its "smart" for a wild cat to be a wuss and a coward and you all praise them for how clever they are when they do that, you need to understand it is smart for a bulldog to be stupidly brave to the death, because that is how their genes get favoured. Its exactly the same as how the genes of a wild cat get favoured when it acts like a sneaky coward. Just as you guys defend wild cats and explain how it is shrewd and smart for them to be pussies, I will do the same and defend bulldogs for being stupidly brave. In both cases it behooves them to behave that way from a natural selection stand point. Dying through extreme bravery in battle is a good way to have your offspring prized and nurtured into adulthood when you are a bulldog.
Pitbull really don't do a good job as complete hunter. They are not fast enough to chase in open area, nor smart enough to coordinate with the pack to corner the prey especially wild pig that has stronger fight mode.
And luckily that is why they aren't tasked with any of that. They are specialised purely for the combat, they are "walked in" on lead and released only to fight the quarry. Not track it down or course it. For that yes, you mix dogs like pitbulls (or alanos or ebts or etc) with other hunting dogs, like deerhounds, greyhounds, pointers and etc. Then you get a complete hunter. The pitbull is a subjugation specialist.
And that overspecialization while having little to no generalization on other atributes is the reason Bulldogs are not half as powerful as you think they are. Let's compare a Bulldog to a Wolf, the Bulldog overspecializes on subjugation and agressivity so it has a large advantage over the Wolf on that. Homever the Wolf compensates this by overshadowing the Bulldog in speed, intelligence and killing ability. Thus making it a real multipurpose full Hunter.
1 - do you think the Human couldn't pick a favourable terrain to engage the Buffalo, such as a cliff where he could be easily thrown off? So yes, humans can control the terrain the fight happens
No? Definitely not? The fuck?
The buffalo has gone rogue, the reason the dogs are called in is because the humans have lost control of the buffalo, the purpose of the dogs is to regain control. If they could control where the buffalo was then by definition they wouldn't need the bull dogs. The terrain isn't favourable for the dogs, it is more difficult, they would prefer flat ground. That terrain just IS the terrain where they happen to be, the buffalo has broken free and is going crazy and running away, the dogs are simply capturing it, and the buffalo has ended up in a location where there happens to be a bit of a hill and a ditch. It doesn't benefit the dogs at all, the buffalo actually tried to use that terrain to its advantage.
This is an insanely crazy reach on your part. Why are you so maniacally hell-bent on downgrading and discrediting dogs? It is bordering on psychotic and deranged.
And luckily that is why they aren't tasked with any of that. They are specialised purely for the combat, they are "walked in" on lead and released only to fight the quarry. Not track it down or course it. For that yes, you mix dogs like pitbulls (or alanos or ebts or etc) with other hunting dogs, like deerhounds, greyhounds, pointers and etc. Then you get a complete hunter. The pitbull is a subjugation specialist.
And that overspecialization while having little to no generalization on other atributes is the reason Bulldogs are not half as powerful as you think they are. Let's compare a Bulldog to a Wolf, the Bulldog overspecializes on subjugation and agressivity so it has a large advantage over the Wolf on that. Homever the Wolf compensates this by overshadowing the Bulldog in speed, intelligence and killing ability. Thus making it a real multipurpose full Hunter.
The wolf definitely surpasses the bulldog as a wild survivalist. No one has ever argued otherwise. For some reason on these forums people are obsessed with talking about fighting, and that is what lead me down the path of supporting bulldogs. I was a wild animal fan hoping to interact with likeminded people in 2001, but they wanted to talk about fighting in gladitorial contests. Well in that case, sorry, but wild animals aren't shit. In that case I'm gonna have to introduce you all to bulldogs who are specialised for fighting, and they are going to make your favourite wild animals look like wusses and cowards. That is on you guys for wanting to talk about fighting. We could have just talked about wilderness survivalism and then your favourite wild animals could have maintained their dignity. But no. You all insisted on talking about fighting. At least if you are going to do that talk about the wild animals who are built to fight - prey animals. Not sneaky cunning wild predators, the worst fighters in the animal kingdom.
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