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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 19:41:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 19:43:44 GMT
If anything is going to do it, it's a Tosa...
Anything in the 80-110lb range is going to Tosa. 110lb Tosa vs 120-125lb jaguar is perfect to me. 50/50
Anyone got average weights of Mexican jaguar? I think it's 120-130?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 20:07:28 GMT
Imo the jag will win. Once you get ahead of the leopards, the cats start to get exponentially more robust.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 22:16:38 GMT
Imo the jag will win. Once you get ahead of the leopards, the cats start to get exponentially more robust. Yes, they do, however a parity jaguar despite its robusticity will likely not be able to control a Tosa at leisure long enough to make a kill due to the Tosa's thick, shifting skin. Even on its head, a skull bite would likely not be too effective. And the claws will do literally nothing. There's just so much durability to deal with, plus the Tosa is a professional fighting dog... it'd definitely be very rough for the jaguar if they're close in size. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 22:28:48 GMT
Imo the jag will win. Once you get ahead of the leopards, the cats start to get exponentially more robust. Yes, they do, however a parity jaguar despite its robusticity will likely not be able to control a Tosa at leisure long enough to make a kill due to the Tosa's thick, shifting skin. Even on its head, a skull bite would likely not be too effective. And the claws will do literally nothing. There's just so much durability to deal with, plus the Tosa is a professional fighting dog... it'd definitely be very rough for the jaguar if they're close in size. A skull bite would do a lot... loose skin or not. I'm aware a Tosa is durable, but not THAT durable. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 20, 2023 0:01:23 GMT
I don't love the jaguar as an opponent for any dog. I do think it could prove quite difficult for the jaguar (as it did for the jaguar against "Hercules" in the match in San Francisco) especially against a Tosa (probably the best contender), the thick shifting skin, strength, robust bones, flexibility and wrestling skill all make this not your average "dog-kill" for any cat. Usually if a cat is strong enough to hold a dog down it can then fairly easily just apply it's kill bite. In this case, not only is the taking down difficult because it's a robust powerful gripping dog, but applying the kill bite is difficult due to the thick loose skin (a trait evolved on sun-bears to thwart tiger attacks, and ratels to thwart leopard attacks, so it works), and keeping down while you struggle with that is also difficult because tosas are uniquely good at contorting their joints, twisting their almost plasticine-esque bodies and regaining their footing while something struggles to hold them down by their floppy neck skin.
Ultimately I like to pick my battles, and I generally just concede jaguars over dogs. The dogs who are proportionately better fighters are IMO too small, those matching the jaguars size aren't proportionately good enough. It gets somewhat interesting with small jaguars facing tosas and 100 lbs fighting bulldogs, but I'm ok with giving it to the jaguar. The fact the jaguar struggled, but ultimately won, against a very very good legit fighting bulldog, goes a long way. If a puma or leopard could match that feat, that "team" would have a way better argument than the one they currently don't really have.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 2:02:33 GMT
Yes, they do, however a parity jaguar despite its robusticity will likely not be able to control a Tosa at leisure long enough to make a kill due to the Tosa's thick, shifting skin. Even on its head, a skull bite would likely not be too effective. And the claws will do literally nothing. There's just so much durability to deal with, plus the Tosa is a professional fighting dog... it'd definitely be very rough for the jaguar if they're close in size. A skull bite would do a lot... loose skin or not. I'm aware a Tosa is durable, but not THAT durable. Its head is caked in skin. The jaguar would need a very precise bite with an essentially immobile Tosa. And it may be able to achieve that eventually... who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 17:11:05 GMT
Dog would get its skull bitten in a few seconds.
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Post by lincoln on Jan 20, 2023 17:39:50 GMT
I say Jaguar wins, I think no dog beats a Jaguar
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 23:14:06 GMT
Why is Wyatt making so many alts? It's definitely Wyatt... well I think. Or they're angry Indians and East Asians and Hardcastle has accidentally attracted all of them here to rape us and our children.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 2:47:07 GMT
I say Jaguar wins, I think no dog beats a Jaguar I sort of agree, BUT if I were betting money, Tosa vs jaguar at parity, I'd put my money where my mouth is and bet on an elite experienced fighting Tosa at weighs of 80-120lbs. I may or may not vote jaguar on this poll, but I think that if the fighting bulldog that fought the jaguar succumbed to raking injuries, the Tosa is immune to those rakings and thus would have a better shot. And that bulldog had a very good shot, so... I think we'd all be in for a shock. |
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Post by CoolJohnson on Jan 21, 2023 3:04:49 GMT
Honestly, any Big cat above an Eurasian Lynx can beat this goofy dog.
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Post by Hardcastle on Jan 21, 2023 4:26:22 GMT
About that IP ban on Johnson...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 4:48:13 GMT
About that IP ban on Johnson... We should hang Johnson, and put a 120lb Tosa and 120lb African leopard or cougar in a ring. If Johnson guesses right, he gets to live. If Johnson guesses wrong, the chair is kicked out from under him and he dies. Oh how humiliating it will be for him when the latter happens. He will be rolling in his grave. OR he'll put his life where his mouth isn't, and live. |
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Post by grippingwhiteness on Jan 21, 2023 8:49:18 GMT
mexican jaguars can reach weights of up to 200-240+ lbs while working line tosas range from 110 to 143 lbs max at best, just like any average persian leopard or cougar at 155-160 lbs ( and a similar max at 200-220 lbs)would, the feline eats this canid for lunch
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