How much orcas does it take to kill a megalodon?

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Jan 18, 2023 11:29:25 GMT @ling said:

My wild dogs v hyena comparison is spot on, nailed it.

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Jan 18, 2023 11:30:24 GMT Bolushi said:

Jan 18, 2023 11:29:25 GMT @ling said:

My wild dogs v hyena comparison is spot on, nailed it.

No one is comparing wild dogs to hyenas.

[Hardcastle]

Can megalodon use tools like t-rex?
Is it's microscopic brain also inexplicably infinitely powerful for no good reason?

It seems it did have the similar "turd" shape seen with T-Rex, which may indicate it also had totally unexpected super brainpower.

T-rex brain


Shark brain

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“But this time it was only six of them and they are an apex predator, very smart and they knew it might be out of reach,” Ms Sharp said.

“They brought in the big mature male, El Notcho, who charged towards the humpback. He is about 9 tonnes and the humpback about 15.

“El Notcho was most likely trying to break his jaw, which is what they do, but incredibly when El Notcho rammed him … it didn’t seem to faze him ... it’s more effective on calves and yearlings.”

www.smh.com.au/national/valiant-humpback-fights-off-four-hour-orca-attack-20210218-p573tw.html

"A team of Princeton researchers has now discovered clear evidence that Megalodon and some of its ancestors were at the very highest rung of the prehistoric food chain – what scientists call the highest “trophic level.” Indeed, their trophic signature is so high that they must have eaten other predators and predators-of-predators in a complicated food web, say the researchers."

www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add2674

www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abl6529?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D21709511423339779790155986629871825946%7CMCORGID%3D242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1655896185&_ga=2.152782705.956711148.1655711366-2012824054.1650526908&cookieSet=1

"We used an exceptionally well-preserved fossil to create the first three-dimensional model of the body of this giant shark and used it to infer its movement and feeding ecology. We estimate that an adult O. megalodon could cruise at faster absolute speeds than any shark species today and fully consume prey the size of modern apex predators. A dietary preference for large prey potentially enabled O. megalodon to minimize competition and provided a constant source of energy to fuel prolonged migrations without further feeding. Together, our results suggest that O. megalodon played an important ecological role as a transoceanic superpredator. Hence, its extinction likely had large impacts on global nutrient transfer and trophic food webs."

www.princeton.edu/news/2022/06/22/what-did-megalodon-eat-anything-it-wanted-including-other-predators

www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abm9424

"It was capable of covering vast distances in short order, and could eat the largest of modern living super-predators, the killer whale, in five gargantuan bites. It could have swallowed a great white shark whole."

"Based on other isolated fossil vertebrae, it’s likely the largest megalodon grew to 20 metres in length. We further determined that the Belgian specimen’s maximum gape was around 1.8 metres and that its stomach could have held 9.5 cubic metres of food."

theconversation.com/ancient-megalodon-super-predators-could-swallow-a-great-white-shark-whole-new-model-reveals-188749

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Jan 18, 2023 11:45:04 GMT @ling said:

“But this time it was only six of them and they are an apex predator, very smart and they knew it might be out of reach,” Ms Sharp said.

“They brought in the big mature male, El Notcho, who charged towards the humpback. He is about 9 tonnes and the humpback about 15.

“El Notcho was most likely trying to break his jaw, which is what they do, but incredibly when El Notcho rammed him … it didn’t seem to faze him ... it’s more effective on calves and yearlings.”

www.smh.com.au/national/valiant-humpback-fights-off-four-hour-orca-attack-20210218-p573tw.html

"A team of Princeton researchers has now discovered clear evidence that Megalodon and some of its ancestors were at the very highest rung of the prehistoric food chain – what scientists call the highest “trophic level.” Indeed, their trophic signature is so high that they must have eaten other predators and predators-of-predators in a complicated food web, say the researchers."

www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add2674

www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abl6529?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D21709511423339779790155986629871825946%7CMCORGID%3D242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1655896185&_ga=2.152782705.956711148.1655711366-2012824054.1650526908&cookieSet=1

"We used an exceptionally well-preserved fossil to create the first three-dimensional model of the body of this giant shark and used it to infer its movement and feeding ecology. We estimate that an adult O. megalodon could cruise at faster absolute speeds than any shark species today and fully consume prey the size of modern apex predators. A dietary preference for large prey potentially enabled O. megalodon to minimize competition and provided a constant source of energy to fuel prolonged migrations without further feeding. Together, our results suggest that O. megalodon played an important ecological role as a transoceanic superpredator. Hence, its extinction likely had large impacts on global nutrient transfer and trophic food webs."

www.princeton.edu/news/2022/06/22/what-did-megalodon-eat-anything-it-wanted-including-other-predators

www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abm9424

"It was capable of covering vast distances in short order, and could eat the largest of modern living super-predators, the killer whale, in five gargantuan bites. It could have swallowed a great white shark whole."

"Based on other isolated fossil vertebrae, it’s likely the largest megalodon grew to 20 metres in length. We further determined that the Belgian specimen’s maximum gape was around 1.8 metres and that its stomach could have held 9.5 cubic metres of food."

theconversation.com/ancient-megalodon-super-predators-could-swallow-a-great-white-shark-whole-new-model-reveals-188749

Though sharks are generally opportunistic feeders, megalodon's great size, high-speed swimming capability, and powerful jaws, coupled with an impressive feeding apparatus, made it an apex predator capable of consuming a broad spectrum of animals. Otodus megalodon was probably one of the most powerful predators to have existed.[15] A study focusing on calcium isotopes of extinct and extant elasmobranch sharks and rays revealed that megalodon fed at a higher trophic level than the contemporaneous great white shark ("higher up" in the food chain.)

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Jan 18, 2023 11:49:34 GMT @ling said:

Jan 18, 2023 11:45:04 GMT @ling said:

“But this time it was only six of them and they are an apex predator, very smart and they knew it might be out of reach,” Ms Sharp said.

“They brought in the big mature male, El Notcho, who charged towards the humpback. He is about 9 tonnes and the humpback about 15.

“El Notcho was most likely trying to break his jaw, which is what they do, but incredibly when El Notcho rammed him … it didn’t seem to faze him ... it’s more effective on calves and yearlings.”

www.smh.com.au/national/valiant-humpback-fights-off-four-hour-orca-attack-20210218-p573tw.html

"A team of Princeton researchers has now discovered clear evidence that Megalodon and some of its ancestors were at the very highest rung of the prehistoric food chain – what scientists call the highest “trophic level.” Indeed, their trophic signature is so high that they must have eaten other predators and predators-of-predators in a complicated food web, say the researchers."

www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add2674

www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abl6529?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D21709511423339779790155986629871825946%7CMCORGID%3D242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1655896185&_ga=2.152782705.956711148.1655711366-2012824054.1650526908&cookieSet=1

"We used an exceptionally well-preserved fossil to create the first three-dimensional model of the body of this giant shark and used it to infer its movement and feeding ecology. We estimate that an adult O. megalodon could cruise at faster absolute speeds than any shark species today and fully consume prey the size of modern apex predators. A dietary preference for large prey potentially enabled O. megalodon to minimize competition and provided a constant source of energy to fuel prolonged migrations without further feeding. Together, our results suggest that O. megalodon played an important ecological role as a transoceanic superpredator. Hence, its extinction likely had large impacts on global nutrient transfer and trophic food webs."

www.princeton.edu/news/2022/06/22/what-did-megalodon-eat-anything-it-wanted-including-other-predators

www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abm9424

"It was capable of covering vast distances in short order, and could eat the largest of modern living super-predators, the killer whale, in five gargantuan bites. It could have swallowed a great white shark whole."

"Based on other isolated fossil vertebrae, it’s likely the largest megalodon grew to 20 metres in length. We further determined that the Belgian specimen’s maximum gape was around 1.8 metres and that its stomach could have held 9.5 cubic metres of food."

theconversation.com/ancient-megalodon-super-predators-could-swallow-a-great-white-shark-whole-new-model-reveals-188749

Though sharks are generally opportunistic feeders, megalodon's great size, high-speed swimming capability, and powerful jaws, coupled with an impressive feeding apparatus, made it an apex predator capable of consuming a broad spectrum of animals. Otodus megalodon was probably one of the most powerful predators to have existed.[15] A study focusing on calcium isotopes of extinct and extant elasmobranch sharks and rays revealed that megalodon fed at a higher trophic level than the contemporaneous great white shark ("higher up" in the food chain.)

Fossil of whale bitten in half by megalodon.

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Megalodon was not slow. This is what I've been trying to say forever. No way in hell would it have been a successful predator if it was slow and lousy. It isn't rocket science. These articles are just the icing on the cake.

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Jan 18, 2023 11:32:54 GMT @ling said:

Jan 18, 2023 11:30:24 GMT Bolushi said:

My wild dogs v hyena comparison is spot on, nailed it.

No one is comparing wild dogs to hyenas.

I am. I am comparing wild dog v hyena to orca v megalodon. Catch up.

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Jan 18, 2023 11:57:43 GMT Bolushi said:

Jan 18, 2023 11:32:54 GMT @ling said:

No one is comparing wild dogs to hyenas.

I am. I am comparing wild dog v hyena to orca v megalodon. Catch up.

Megalodon isn't slow. Read all articles above.

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According to those fucking east asians, this means they have no weaknesses and thus decimate all competition. So, fuck all of their other findings. It was just a giant pool of megalodon mothers fingering their daughters and fathers pinning down their daughters and raping them in a drunk blackout until there are more megalodons and rinse and repeat in the empty ocean.

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Jan 18, 2023 11:58:48 GMT @ling said:

Jan 18, 2023 11:57:43 GMT Bolushi said:

I am. I am comparing wild dog v hyena to orca v megalodon. Catch up.

Megalodon isn't slow. Read all articles above.

Hyenas can run like 40mph in a straight line, but that doesn't save its sorry ass from AWDs. Prove to us you understand lateral movement before we continue.

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Jan 18, 2023 12:01:59 GMT Bolushi said:

Jan 18, 2023 11:58:48 GMT @ling said:

Megalodon isn't slow. Read all articles above.

Hyenas can run like 40mph in a straight line, but that doesn't save its sorry ass from AWDs. Prove to us you understand lateral movement before we continue.

Continue with what? You don't post anything. You just sit there and blurb shit.

Also killer whales try to drown large prey, not nip at them and run away. They are incomparable? What comparison are you even trying to make??

You also ignored my last posts for no apparent reason. You seem to hate when you're proven wrong.

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Jan 18, 2023 12:03:42 GMT @ling said:

Jan 18, 2023 12:01:59 GMT Bolushi said:

Hyenas can run like 40mph in a straight line, but that doesn't save its sorry ass from AWDs. Prove to us you understand lateral movement before we continue.

Continue with what? You don't post anything. You just sit there and blurb shit.

Also killer whales try to drown large prey, not nip at them and run away. They are incomparable? What comparison are you even trying to make??

You could be white as a cracker and Hitler would still kill you out of embarrassment you are on his racial team.
I ignored them because they wouldn't know.

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Jan 18, 2023 12:05:34 GMT Bolushi said:

Jan 18, 2023 12:03:42 GMT @ling said:

Continue with what? You don't post anything. You just sit there and blurb shit.

Also killer whales try to drown large prey, not nip at them and run away. They are incomparable? What comparison are you even trying to make??

You could be white as a cracker and Hitler would still kill you out of embarrassment you are on his racial team.
I ignored them because they wouldn't know.

You ignored them because you don't like being proven wrong. Just shows how arguing with you is impossible lol.

[Hardcastle]

Jan 18, 2023 11:57:24 GMT @ling said:

Megalodon was not slow. This is what I've been trying to say forever. No way in hell would it have been a successful predator if it was slow and lousy. It isn't rocket science. These articles are just the icing on the cake.

I still believe it MUST have been slowish. Seems it hunted whales, primarily, and extinct giant sirenians (like massive manatees). Therefore it would be maybe a little faster than it's prey, like basically every predator ever.

It is also physically impossible for an animal that size to zip around with quickness and agility, it defies the physical laws of the universe and makes zero sense.

As icing on the cake, it was also almost assuredly an ambush predator, so being significantly faster than the big whales it hunted simply wasn't necessary. More than that the whales HAD to have a chance to evade predation. The best of them HAD to make megalodon miss repeatedly and go on to live a successful life and breed and raise offspring. Impossible if megalodon was fast AS WELL AS gigantic with a mega mouth of infinite destruction. How the hell could a whale or gigantic manatee possibly survive and raise their offspring (one at a time btw, and slow maturing) in such a hostile environment with such a nightmarish OP predator? They would frankly be better, if megalodon was half the monster he is frequently portrayed to be. The way the cheetah sculpted the thomsen's gazelle into the most alert speedy juke-stepping athletic freak of nature, so too would the meg have sculpted whales and giant manatees into sleek masterful speedsters zipping through the seas, OR mega-tanks that can smash giant sharks to smithereens the way a cape buffalo can a lion or a ussuri boar can a tiger. There has to be a way in which the baleen whales and sperm whales and giant manatees of the era could "best" meg, and meg fans (including the scientists, who often seem like infantile fanboys themselves) have never offered any explanation to cover this issue. Just "it was way OP, don't worry about it". Well sorry I'm very worried, very concerned that this portrayal is clearly bullshit. It defies nature and the universe we exist in.