Dog and Wild Predator power scaling

[Bolushi]

Sept 1, 2023 13:58:02 GMT s said:

Sept 1, 2023 13:18:00 GMT Bolushi said:

Well both suck, the bigger it is the more overweight it will be and the quicker it will tire. I am sure they enjoy a great power advantage over lots of animals but all are pets with bad footwork and skill, plus they are overweight.

But doesn't Bully Kuta and other huge gripping dog breeds share the same problems? Aside from the being overweight part

If they get too big, yes to a lesser degree. 200lb BKs for example. Even good big grippers have a bit of proportional decrease.
However while the American Bullies are 180lbs and 26" tall a Bully Kutta is 180lbs and 34" tall. Something like that. Height is a big factor in how much a dog can healthily weigh.

[grippingwhiteness]

Calling dogs like Hulk "pitbulls" is an insult and blaspheme to what the apbt is

[s]

Sept 1, 2023 19:49:52 GMT grippingwhiteness said:

Calling dogs like Hulk "pitbulls" is an insult and blaspheme to what the apbt is

Matchup of the genetically defective dogs: a coalition of 6 Pugs Vs Hulk

[s]

Oct 25, 2022 20:19:36 GMT Hardcastle said:

I love the concept and largely agree with the scores, but then don't on some. I'll just do mine and then see where we differ.

0-20lbs
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (100) (c)
Jagdterrier (95)
Patterdale Terrier (95)
Honey Badger (88)
European Badger (85)
American Badger (80)
Coyote (80)
Ocelot (80)
Bobcat (78)
Side Striped Jackal (75)
Caracal (75)
Black backed Jackal (73)
Canadian Lynx (65)
Red Fox (64)

What score does Pug get?

[s]

Oct 25, 2022 20:19:36 GMT Hardcastle said:

I love the concept and largely agree with the scores, but then don't on some. I'll just do mine and then see where we differ.

0-20lbs
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (100) (c)
Jagdterrier (95)
Patterdale Terrier (95)
Honey Badger (88)
European Badger (85)
American Badger (80)
Coyote (80)
Ocelot (80)
Bobcat (78)
Side Striped Jackal (75)
Caracal (75)
Black backed Jackal (73)
Canadian Lynx (65)
Red Fox (64)

20-40lbs
American Pitbull Terrier (100) (c)
Gull Terrier (96)
English Bull Terrier (93)
American Staffordshire Terrier (93)
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (93)
Wolverine (90)
Clouded Leopard (88)
Cape/arabian leopardess (80)
Ocelot (78)
Blue heeler (78)
Kelpie (73)
Coyote (73)
Bobcat (70)
Indian/Arabian/Ethiopian wolf (70)
Border Collie (68)
Canadian Lynx (60)


40-60lbs
American Pitbull Terrier (100) (C)
American Bulldog (Scott) (95)
English Bull Terrier (94)
American Staffordshire Terrier (93)
Bull Arab (90)
Staffordshire bull terrier (90)
Wolverine (90)
Clouded leopard (88)
Arabian/Cape Leopard (83)
Cougar (81)
Eurasian Lynx (79)
Blue Heeler (78)
African wild dog (75)
Kelpie (70)
Coyote (70)
Indian/Arabian/Ethiopian wolf (65)
Collie (60)

60-100lbs
Presa Canario (99)
Alano Espanol (99)
Scott ambull (99)
Boerboel (98)
Neo (98)
Dogo Argentino (97)
O'Halloran (97)
Bullwolfhound (96)
Bull Arab (96)
Sun Bear (96)
NQ Bullhound (95)
Burr Lee Bullstag (95)
Galgo Patagonico (91)
Maritsane (91)
Leopard (90)
Cougar (89)
Mackenzie Valley Wolf (88)
Eurasian Wolf (86)
Arctic Wolf (86)
Snow Leopard (85)
Staghound (82)
Steppe Wolf (80)
Greyhound (77)
Eurasian Lynx (72)

100-120lbs
Jaguar (98)
Presa Canario (98)
Alano espanol (97)
Sun Bear (97)
Boerboel (97)
Neo (97)
Dogo Argentino (97)
Bullwolfhound (97)
O'Halloran (97)
Bull Arab (96)
Burr Lee Bullstag (95)
NQ Bullhound (93)
Leopard (93)
Galgo Patagonico (91)
Maritsane (91)
Cougar (90)
Mackenzie Valley Wolf (88)
Snow leopard (87)
Arctic Wolf (86)
Eurasian Wolf (86)
Staghound (80)
Steppe Wolf (80)

120-140lbs
Jaguar (100)
Sun Bear (98)
Bull wolfhound (97)
O'Halloran (97)
Leopard (96)
Cougar (95)
Galgo Patagonico (94)
Maritsane (94)
Presa Canario (88)
Dogo argentino (85)
Boerboel (85)
Neapolitan (85)

160-200lbs
Sloth bear (100)
Spectacled Bear (98)
Jaguar (97)
Leopard (93)
Cougar (92)
Central Asian Shepherd (88)
Kangal (88)
Bullwolfhound (87)
O'Halloran Hound (87)

Not even sure I agree with myself, but I have to cut it short. Feel free to ask questions so I can think about it more...

I notice some changes from your 2019 Carnivora version, for instance Puma and Dogo Argentino were both at 85 on 100-120lbs range. While here they are at 97 and 90 respectively in the same range, what changed your mind?

carnivora.net/dogs-best-contenders-for-the-different-weight-clas-t7363.html

[Hardcastle]

Well spotted... I think I was more conscientious of how a 100-120 lbs cougar is a rather sub-standard cougar and probably will never be a mature male in the newer ranking, also perhaps being a bit harder on larger dogos in the older ranking as well. But tbh I don't agree with my newer rankings either. The finer details of my perspective are always moving slightly, depends how you are looking at things. The only consistent thing I won't falter from is that the puma's chances increase in correlation with the weight class increasing up over 100 lbs, but I don't believe they reach the tipping point of favouritism until around 130 lbs (when you are talking about good dogs of course).

[s]

Oct 25, 2022 20:19:36 GMT Hardcastle said:

I love the concept and largely agree with the scores, but then don't on some. I'll just do mine and then see where we differ.

0-20lbs
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (100) (c)
Jagdterrier (95)
Patterdale Terrier (95)
Honey Badger (88)
European Badger (85)
American Badger (80)
Coyote (80)
Ocelot (80)
Bobcat (78)
Side Striped Jackal (75)
Caracal (75)
Black backed Jackal (73)
Canadian Lynx (65)
Red Fox (64)

20-40lbs
American Pitbull Terrier (100) (c)
Gull Terrier (96)
English Bull Terrier (93)
American Staffordshire Terrier (93)
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (93)
Wolverine (90)
Clouded Leopard (88)
Cape/arabian leopardess (80)
Ocelot (78)
Blue heeler (78)
Kelpie (73)
Coyote (73)
Bobcat (70)
Indian/Arabian/Ethiopian wolf (70)
Border Collie (68)
Canadian Lynx (60)


40-60lbs
American Pitbull Terrier (100) (C)
American Bulldog (Scott) (95)
English Bull Terrier (94)
American Staffordshire Terrier (93)
Bull Arab (90)
Staffordshire bull terrier (90)
Wolverine (90)
Clouded leopard (88)
Arabian/Cape Leopard (83)
Cougar (81)
Eurasian Lynx (79)
Blue Heeler (78)
African wild dog (75)
Kelpie (70)
Coyote (70)
Indian/Arabian/Ethiopian wolf (65)
Collie (60)

60-100lbs
Presa Canario (99)
Alano Espanol (99)
Scott ambull (99)
Boerboel (98)
Neo (98)
Dogo Argentino (97)
O'Halloran (97)
Bullwolfhound (96)
Bull Arab (96)
Sun Bear (96)
NQ Bullhound (95)
Burr Lee Bullstag (95)
Galgo Patagonico (91)
Maritsane (91)
Leopard (90)
Cougar (89)
Mackenzie Valley Wolf (88)
Eurasian Wolf (86)
Arctic Wolf (86)
Snow Leopard (85)
Staghound (82)
Steppe Wolf (80)
Greyhound (77)
Eurasian Lynx (72)

100-120lbs
Jaguar (98)
Presa Canario (98)
Alano espanol (97)
Sun Bear (97)
Boerboel (97)
Neo (97)
Dogo Argentino (97)
Bullwolfhound (97)
O'Halloran (97)
Bull Arab (96)
Burr Lee Bullstag (95)
NQ Bullhound (93)
Leopard (93)
Galgo Patagonico (91)
Maritsane (91)
Cougar (90)
Mackenzie Valley Wolf (88)
Snow leopard (87)
Arctic Wolf (86)
Eurasian Wolf (86)
Staghound (80)
Steppe Wolf (80)

120-140lbs
Jaguar (100)
Sun Bear (98)
Bull wolfhound (97)
O'Halloran (97)
Leopard (96)
Cougar (95)
Galgo Patagonico (94)
Maritsane (94)
Presa Canario (88)
Dogo argentino (85)
Boerboel (85)
Neapolitan (85)

160-200lbs
Sloth bear (100)
Spectacled Bear (98)
Jaguar (97)
Leopard (93)
Cougar (92)
Central Asian Shepherd (88)
Kangal (88)
Bullwolfhound (87)
O'Halloran Hound (87)

Not even sure I agree with myself, but I have to cut it short. Feel free to ask questions so I can think about it more...

Why isn't Cheetah here? I would give give him an score in between Puma and Eurasian Lynx

[s]

Oct 25, 2022 20:19:36 GMT Hardcastle said:

I love the concept and largely agree with the scores, but then don't on some. I'll just do mine and then see where we differ.

0-20lbs
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (100) (c)
Jagdterrier (95)
Patterdale Terrier (95)
Honey Badger (88)
European Badger (85)
American Badger (80)
Coyote (80)
Ocelot (80)
Bobcat (78)
Side Striped Jackal (75)
Caracal (75)
Black backed Jackal (73)
Canadian Lynx (65)
Red Fox (64)

20-40lbs
American Pitbull Terrier (100) (c)
Gull Terrier (96)
English Bull Terrier (93)
American Staffordshire Terrier (93)
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (93)
Wolverine (90)
Clouded Leopard (88)
Cape/arabian leopardess (80)
Ocelot (78)
Blue heeler (78)
Kelpie (73)
Coyote (73)
Bobcat (70)
Indian/Arabian/Ethiopian wolf (70)
Border Collie (68)
Canadian Lynx (60)


40-60lbs
American Pitbull Terrier (100) (C)
American Bulldog (Scott) (95)
English Bull Terrier (94)
American Staffordshire Terrier (93)
Bull Arab (90)
Staffordshire bull terrier (90)
Wolverine (90)
Clouded leopard (88)
Arabian/Cape Leopard (83)
Cougar (81)
Eurasian Lynx (79)
Blue Heeler (78)
African wild dog (75)
Kelpie (70)
Coyote (70)
Indian/Arabian/Ethiopian wolf (65)
Collie (60)

60-100lbs
Presa Canario (99)
Alano Espanol (99)
Scott ambull (99)
Boerboel (98)
Neo (98)
Dogo Argentino (97)
O'Halloran (97)
Bullwolfhound (96)
Bull Arab (96)
Sun Bear (96)
NQ Bullhound (95)
Burr Lee Bullstag (95)
Galgo Patagonico (91)
Maritsane (91)
Leopard (90)
Cougar (89)
Mackenzie Valley Wolf (88)
Eurasian Wolf (86)
Arctic Wolf (86)
Snow Leopard (85)
Staghound (82)
Steppe Wolf (80)
Greyhound (77)
Eurasian Lynx (72)

100-120lbs
Jaguar (98)
Presa Canario (98)
Alano espanol (97)
Sun Bear (97)
Boerboel (97)
Neo (97)
Dogo Argentino (97)
Bullwolfhound (97)
O'Halloran (97)
Bull Arab (96)
Burr Lee Bullstag (95)
NQ Bullhound (93)
Leopard (93)
Galgo Patagonico (91)
Maritsane (91)
Cougar (90)
Mackenzie Valley Wolf (88)
Snow leopard (87)
Arctic Wolf (86)
Eurasian Wolf (86)
Staghound (80)
Steppe Wolf (80)

120-140lbs
Jaguar (100)
Sun Bear (98)
Bull wolfhound (97)
O'Halloran (97)
Leopard (96)
Cougar (95)
Galgo Patagonico (94)
Maritsane (94)
Presa Canario (88)
Dogo argentino (85)
Boerboel (85)
Neapolitan (85)

160-200lbs
Sloth bear (100)
Spectacled Bear (98)
Jaguar (97)
Leopard (93)
Cougar (92)
Central Asian Shepherd (88)
Kangal (88)
Bullwolfhound (87)
O'Halloran Hound (87)

Not even sure I agree with myself, but I have to cut it short. Feel free to ask questions so I can think about it more...

>Blue heeler beats AWD
>Staghound beats Steppe Wolf and nearly at par with Snow Leopard 
>Maritsane and Galgo Patagonico beats Puma, Snow Leopard and NW Wolf 

Also, no animal deserves a perfect "100", they all have at least one weakness.

[s]

I also think Presa should have a major debuff from what it's shown here. The original Presa is extinct, all the "Presas" that exist right now are recreations, vast majority being much more similar to Rottweilers than to actual Presas.

[Bolushi]

Blue heeler vs AWD is an interesting matchup.
A staghound definitely beats steppe wolf IMO, snow leopard... ehh. Maybe some.

Maritsane might beat puma, some Galgo Patagonicos could. Same with snow leopard. Those are matchups where it actually entirely depends on the individuals. NW wolf gets trashed.

[s]

Feb 4, 2024 22:35:38 GMT Bolushi said:

Blue heeler vs AWD is an interesting matchup.
A staghound definitely beats steppe wolf IMO, snow leopard... ehh. Maybe some.

Maritsane might beat puma, some Galgo Patagonicos could. Same with snow leopard. Those are matchups where it actually entirely depends on the individuals. NW wolf gets trashed.

Sighthounds and Wolves have similar body bauplans but the Wolf is much deadlier, so it should be favoured.

[Bolushi]

Feb 6, 2024 11:51:59 GMT s said:

Feb 4, 2024 22:35:38 GMT Bolushi said:

Blue heeler vs AWD is an interesting matchup.
A staghound definitely beats steppe wolf IMO, snow leopard... ehh. Maybe some.

Maritsane might beat puma, some Galgo Patagonicos could. Same with snow leopard. Those are matchups where it actually entirely depends on the individuals. NW wolf gets trashed.

Sighthounds and Wolves have similar body bauplans but the Wolf is much deadlier, so it should be favoured.

Better at causing slashing wounds but not as good a killer.